The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)
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If only everyone could see things as clearly ad you! 😂
There may be some truth to your last point. It could all be maskirovka. If it is, the question becomes, to what end?
Live updates: Wagner head says group standing down after claims of deal
Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin claimed Saturday that he was turning his forces around from a march toward Moscow in what Russian President Putin called an "armed uprising." Follow for live updates.
Turn off your phone at the beach for a day and miss out on quite a bit, I guess.
That looks like a shit show emerging. I will simply reiterate what I have from the beginning. Prolonging this war creates instability. It is not a matter of morality or sovereignty, and it’s not a matter of what we wish would happen.
We’re playing with fire now.
That looks like a shit show emerging. I will simply reiterate what I have from the beginning. Prolonging this war creates instability. It is not a matter of morality or sovereignty, and it’s not a matter of what we wish would happen.
We’re playing with fire now.
Obama rebuked by Ukraine for suggesting Crimeans had 'some sympathy' for Russian invasion
Barack Obama sparked a row with the Ukrainian government by suggesting that local “sympathy” for Russia blocked a tougher Western response to Moscow’s seizure of Crimea in 2014.
Obama was such a bitch-ass cuck.
Obama rebuked by Ukraine for suggesting Crimeans had 'some sympathy' for Russian invasion
Barack Obama sparked a row with the Ukrainian government by suggesting that local “sympathy” for Russia blocked a tougher Western response to Moscow’s seizure of Crimea in 2014.us.yahoo.com
“The 1980's are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back”Obama rebuked by Ukraine for suggesting Crimeans had 'some sympathy' for Russian invasion
Barack Obama sparked a row with the Ukrainian government by suggesting that local “sympathy” for Russia blocked a tougher Western response to Moscow’s seizure of Crimea in 2014.
I'd stay away from any floor but the ground one if I was him.
I was driving back from the beach yesterday and missed all this craziness. I got back reading about and must have "WTF"ed out loud a dozen times. Seriously crazy shit.
Some pretty good info on the evolving aftermath of the Wagner Rebellion.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/ukraine-conflict-updates
Some excerpts:
Russian sources speculated on the specifics of the deal mediated by Belarusian dictator Alexander Lukashenko to end the Wagner Group’s June 23-24 armed rebellion, including the possible involvement of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s chief of staff. Russian opposition outlet Meduza, citing unnamed internal Kremlin sources, reported that Prigozhin initially tried to get in touch with the Russian Presidential Administration midday June 24 as Wagner fighters moved north from Rostov-on-Don towards Moscow, but that Putin refused to speak with Prigozhin.[1] Meduza noted that, once Prigozhin observed the lack of widespread military support for Wagner’s actions and changed his mind on Wagner’s prospects, the Kremlin turned to negotiations involving Lukashenko, Chief of Staff of the Russian Presidential Office Anton Vaino, and Russian Ambassador to Belarus Boris Gryzlov. Vaino and Gryzlov’s possible involvement was not reported on June 24. A prominent Kremlin-affiliated milblogger also questioned whether the deal will hold Wagner or Prigozhin accountable in any way for the deaths of at least 13 Russian airman on June 24.[2] Prigozhin’s whereabouts cannot be verified beyond his departure from Rostov-on-Don late on June 24. Russian outlet RTVI claimed that Prigozhin’s press service told RTVI that Prigozhin “sends his regards” and will answer all questions “when he is on normal communication,” and a prominent Wagner-affiliated Telegram channel shared an AI-generated image of Prigozhin holding a finger to his lips and stating “plans love silence,” a copy of the phrase commonly used in Ukraine about operational security.[3] As ISW noted on June 24, the specifics of the deal are still unclear in the open source beyond speculation and rumor. The fallout of Wagner’s armed rebellion has not yet concluded, and it remains to be seen how the deal will be implemented, if all involved parties will comply fully, how the Kremlin and Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) intend to do with Wagner personnel - and if Wagner fighters will cooperate, regardless of Prigozhin’s wishes.
The implications of the Lukashenko-Prigozhin deal for the leadership of the Russian MoD also remain ambiguous. Some Russian sources, including internal Kremlin sources cited by Meduza, suggested that the Kremlin may be considering changes to MoD leadership as part of the deal.[4] Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu and Chief of the General Staff Army General Valery Gerasimov have not been seen or heard from since before Prigozhin announced the beginning of the armed rebellion on June 23. Some Russian sources suggested that Alexei Dyumin, the current governor of Tula Oblast, former security officer to Putin, and former head of Russia’s Special Operations Forces, may replace Shoigu as the Defense Minister, although ISW cannot confirm these speculations.[5] Any changes to the MoD leadership would notably represent a significant victory for Prigozhin, who justified his armed rebellion by directly accusing Shoigu and Gerasimov of the deaths of tens of thousands of Russian soldiers in Ukraine.[6]
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/ukraine-conflict-updates
Some excerpts:
Russian sources speculated on the specifics of the deal mediated by Belarusian dictator Alexander Lukashenko to end the Wagner Group’s June 23-24 armed rebellion, including the possible involvement of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s chief of staff. Russian opposition outlet Meduza, citing unnamed internal Kremlin sources, reported that Prigozhin initially tried to get in touch with the Russian Presidential Administration midday June 24 as Wagner fighters moved north from Rostov-on-Don towards Moscow, but that Putin refused to speak with Prigozhin.[1] Meduza noted that, once Prigozhin observed the lack of widespread military support for Wagner’s actions and changed his mind on Wagner’s prospects, the Kremlin turned to negotiations involving Lukashenko, Chief of Staff of the Russian Presidential Office Anton Vaino, and Russian Ambassador to Belarus Boris Gryzlov. Vaino and Gryzlov’s possible involvement was not reported on June 24. A prominent Kremlin-affiliated milblogger also questioned whether the deal will hold Wagner or Prigozhin accountable in any way for the deaths of at least 13 Russian airman on June 24.[2] Prigozhin’s whereabouts cannot be verified beyond his departure from Rostov-on-Don late on June 24. Russian outlet RTVI claimed that Prigozhin’s press service told RTVI that Prigozhin “sends his regards” and will answer all questions “when he is on normal communication,” and a prominent Wagner-affiliated Telegram channel shared an AI-generated image of Prigozhin holding a finger to his lips and stating “plans love silence,” a copy of the phrase commonly used in Ukraine about operational security.[3] As ISW noted on June 24, the specifics of the deal are still unclear in the open source beyond speculation and rumor. The fallout of Wagner’s armed rebellion has not yet concluded, and it remains to be seen how the deal will be implemented, if all involved parties will comply fully, how the Kremlin and Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) intend to do with Wagner personnel - and if Wagner fighters will cooperate, regardless of Prigozhin’s wishes.
The implications of the Lukashenko-Prigozhin deal for the leadership of the Russian MoD also remain ambiguous. Some Russian sources, including internal Kremlin sources cited by Meduza, suggested that the Kremlin may be considering changes to MoD leadership as part of the deal.[4] Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu and Chief of the General Staff Army General Valery Gerasimov have not been seen or heard from since before Prigozhin announced the beginning of the armed rebellion on June 23. Some Russian sources suggested that Alexei Dyumin, the current governor of Tula Oblast, former security officer to Putin, and former head of Russia’s Special Operations Forces, may replace Shoigu as the Defense Minister, although ISW cannot confirm these speculations.[5] Any changes to the MoD leadership would notably represent a significant victory for Prigozhin, who justified his armed rebellion by directly accusing Shoigu and Gerasimov of the deaths of tens of thousands of Russian soldiers in Ukraine.[6]
J6 wasn't chaos. Just an ordinary riot.
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You think this is a good thing to watch the rearmament of a country that tried to take over Europe twice over the course of a 30 years span. 😂 you have some jacked up priorities. I mean we are going back to the Cold War days with Russia AND giving Germany the green light to militarize. Good grief.
Unintended consequences people.
Putin helped Trump get elected. To them, that's worth fighting WWIII.
Sadly, many of us called this early on when some were saying Russia would be defeated in a few months and could not sustain a war with Ukraine. That excuse allowed the left to launder more tax payer dollars and has continued to prove profitable for Biden and his cronies. We have continued to hear that same song and dance every 3 or 4 months.
My mother is from Germany. When they escaped hitlers ire towards our ethnicity first thing to happen my grandfather enlisted to fight the nazis. It’s very much the same place. Very strong antisemitic undercurrent and strong nationalistic opportunists in waiting. Now they will have a fully functional military and already a foothold to run europe.
We didn't need to give Germany a "green light" to "militarize." They've underfunded their military for decades and were an overall drag on NATO aside from us having bases there. They could've reinvested in their military at any point. Hell, politicians from both parties here had been urging them to do so for years. They just needed a kick in the pants to do so. They got that vicariously by ol' Pooty-poot going full retard against Ukraine.
‘Don’t see why not’: China envoy on backing Ukraine’s ’91 borders
China’s EU envoy, Fu Cong, says Beijing respects the territorial integrity of all countries and stands for peace.
Man stop posting. You don’t know what you speak of ever. You’re becoming like JL
I'm pretty sure a poster can't get into any kind of trouble for the word "comrade." It's not the new N word. The "tyranny and authoritarianism when I see it and right now it is proliferating in the USA" line is hilarious though. Maybe visit a country under an actual authoritarian leader before claiming that's what America is turning into. I know you're saying that dumb shit because of Trump and you want Biden and his family all charged with crimes and it hasn't happened, but just because Trump is in it deep doesn't mean you gotta say dramatic nonsense on the internet like he's part of your family and he must be defended at all costs.
Don't be the guy that gets a brief ban or a post deleted and then goes back online yelling about tyranny and shit. Save the drama for the theatre.
Don't be the guy that gets a brief ban or a post deleted and then goes back online yelling about tyranny and shit. Save the drama for the theatre.
I can see how recent events have angered our Russian sympathizers who always seem to champion war against the American people. That's a shame. 🤣
The real casualties of Russia’s ‘civil war’: the Beltway expert class - The Grayzone
Numerous serious casualties were incurred during Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin’s supposed “coup.” The Grayzone offers an in-depth look at the massacre carried out by some of America’s top Russia experts against their own credibility. When Wagner Group leader Yevgeny Prigozhin launched a...
thegrayzone.com
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So no questions are asked about the story that one Russian general led an outspoken revolution that lasted about 2 hours before somehow there was an amicable agreement to roll it all back? All the while Putin was fleeing for his life and Russia was done?
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023...l-sergei-surovikin-over-wagner-mutiny-reports
Interesting development with Surovikin being arrested. Other sources indicate a wider purge of the general staff and also command structure in general. Was the "coup" simply maskirovka for this? Not convinced, but it does make one wonder.
Interesting development with Surovikin being arrested. Other sources indicate a wider purge of the general staff and also command structure in general. Was the "coup" simply maskirovka for this? Not convinced, but it does make one wonder.
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Let me get this straight . . . a bungling military effort, with weak leadership, a purge of the military, with elements shooting at one-another?
The more you read of Russia at war, the more it sounds like Russia at war.
ATACMS units on the way. 25K Wagner fighters now gone and no longer fighting. Invaders losing ground around Tokmak/Vasylivka and now Bakhmut. Surovkin was arguably one of their best generals and he’s now in Lefertovo prison.
Things are going great! Just get out of Ukraine, you stupid bastards.
Things are going great! Just get out of Ukraine, you stupid bastards.
Tokmak would be a significant gain on that front area.
