Thunberg to meet with Zelensky. This is the edge Ukraine needed to finish this thing.
The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)
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Best case scenario, she gets deployed to the front, annoys the Russians into a full retreat, but steps on a mine in the process. Win-win.
This should get you warhawks all boned up this Independence Day…
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Opinion | Volodymyr Zelensky: Happy Birthday, America
Ukraine is grateful to the U.S. for providing both support for and an example of liberty.
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Russia’s primary troll factory has shut down, as it was run by Wagner.
I wonder if this thread will miss any posters as a result?
I gotcha, @Bill Cosby, with your most recent post, you aren’t a Wagner troll, but whatever happened to @Warrior Poet31?
I wonder if this thread will miss any posters as a result?
I gotcha, @Bill Cosby, with your most recent post, you aren’t a Wagner troll, but whatever happened to @Warrior Poet31?
Unfortunately, it appears the Ukraine’s troll factory was not managed by Wagner. Batting .500. Really good … for baseball.
Perhaps discussed before, but I don't remember it.
Ukraine is receiving & using Storm Shadow Missiles from Brits that are made by Brits & French. They have a 150 miles range vs. Himars 50 miles range. Scaring the sh!t out of troops & civilians when they hit so far in rear. And of course screwing up their supply chain & infrastructure. Question is how many can Brits afford to supply. Assume Biden can help.
Good deal.
Ukraine is receiving & using Storm Shadow Missiles from Brits that are made by Brits & French. They have a 150 miles range vs. Himars 50 miles range. Scaring the sh!t out of troops & civilians when they hit so far in rear. And of course screwing up their supply chain & infrastructure. Question is how many can Brits afford to supply. Assume Biden can help.
Good deal.
Unfortunately, the choice seems pretty clear. Let’s just hope we have some domestic chip manufacturing up and running before they make it.
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Taiwan’s Impossible Choice: Be Ukraine or Hong Kong
The island is drawing two opposite lessons from the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
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Before who makes what? Not a clear message at all.Unfortunately, the choice seems pretty clear. Let’s just hope we have some domestic chip manufacturing up and running before they make it.
Taiwan’s Impossible Choice: Be Ukraine or Hong Kong
The island is drawing two opposite lessons from the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
Unfortunately, the choice seems pretty clear. Let’s just hope we have some domestic chip manufacturing up and running before they make it.
Taiwan’s Impossible Choice: Be Ukraine or Hong Kong
The island is drawing two opposite lessons from the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
I fear the choice was made for some time and the deal was done (potentially several) months ago. There is no other outcome.
Unfortunately for them they didn't pay off the right people. Instead their aggressors did. It's all over for them but the crying
Perhaps true, but don't see that from that article. Hard to believe we'd give their semiconductor abilities w/o a fight imo. Might as well say it's the end of us.
Before the Taiwanese people decide they prefer life and homes above serving as disposable pawns in a worthless proxy war like the Ukrainian people.
We ceded our status as dominant super power without a fight. For decades and decades let them destroy us on trade without a fight.
Wed just keep doing business with china. Nothing would change on our end except quality.
This time the Boogeyman was the one paying politicians (not just ours) so there won't be resistance. Won't be msm sob stories or oppressed leaders made into heroes.
The US claiming China is an enemy when we trade with them like we do is laughable.
China has several of these shill factories. The guys go in, post propaganda on youtube, social media in general and go home. You ever heard about the ''dollar is collapsing'' recently? Yep, CCP at work again.
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Thanks. I doubt Taiwan folks see themselves as the pawns you choose to to characterize them as. They'd be in a lot worse position w/o the worthless Ukraine proxy war & they know that.
Why would the Taiwanese people be in a worse position without the war in Ukraine?
Sure.
We had that discussion, here.
I frequently wonder how how many of our posters are at a great distance from us, and wouldn’t know who Anthony Davis and Tim Couch were if they bit them on the ass.
Those who oppose the proxy war never can make the connection between it and China's assessment of their future actions. Everything is local; i.e., narrow-minded, not global.
The warrior poet guy wasn't a shill. Just an insane far right guy. I was gonna say something about it but never did.
I caught him using phraseology that sounded like a well educated European, but not an American, and corrected him.
I can’t remember the specifics, but it was on the lines as referring to today’s date as 06-07-23, instead of 07-06-23.
Hey, just one more way to make us malevolent, capitalistic Americans look evil.
Those poor little Taiwanese, forced to be free and relatively independent from the glorious Chicoms.
I just did, but you can't see it. Not worth anymore effort.
Chris Hedges: They Lied About Afghanistan. They Lied About Iraq. And They Are Lying About Ukraine. - scheerpost.com
The U.S. public has been conned, once again, into pouring billions into another endless war.
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China made their decision to annex Taiwan long before the Ukraine conflict.
Also china is much, much different than Russia. They are calculated and extraordinarily dangerous. They bought most civilized politicians and industry. They use that massive political and economic pressure to conquer countries without firing a shot.
We know they did it to India, Australia, and now Taiwan. (They are doing it to us as well but that's another discussion). We won't have to worry about them making the crude effort of a physical invasion. They'll just make the economic conditions such that Taiwan has no choice.
Taiwan can't pay politicians enough to get protection because china long ago best them to that punch. So there will be no joyous applause at the Oscars nor none of the endless pr campaigns for sympathy. Hollywood knows china won't release movies if there is a taiwanese flag or mention of them being independent. So no help there either.
Nothing about Ukraine influences china whatsoever. They will never attempt any military action. They won't need it.
For years china had Taiwan and others in the cross hairs using incredibly effective economic tactics. They strangled out India and Australia using the same methods. China basically owns and runs Australia by proxy.
Let's say the unthinkable happens and china loads up for actual military action vs Taiwan. Does anyone actually think the same party (especially president) who has massive financial gains from china would ever take action against them?
There is nothing we will ever do that will deter china. They own all the people and organizations in control of our country. They're well beyond the point of us stopping them because those same positions were bought long ago. The only moves they're making now is slowly strangling out opposition to make their conquest without taking casualty.
Sun Tzu tactics all on display in modern times.
The only question is whether we’ll have enough domestic chip manufacturing up and running before China has full control of Taiwan.
How’s Hong Kong these days?
Should be more concerned about China taking over Cuba at this point.
How’s Hong Kong these days?
Should be more concerned about China taking over Cuba at this point.
I would support a policy statement that specifically cited Chinese Communism as our enemy - as opposed to just "China"
But hey - we all know that's not being said by the US Govt -
I seriously don't believe the current admin would engage China militarily on any front
The British styled obsession with Russia and the Soros doctrine of expanding into former eastern bloc nations is reprehensible in and of itself
And doesn't it KIND of seem like the conflict in Ukraine is just ---- not entirely REAL??
The pace and development of the conflict has been strange IMO - I definitely thought at one time we'd see more serious direct retaliation fm Russia against western nations / NATO - its just been a weird slow burn of a insanely ridiculous conflict
I dunno - once i saw the movie production sets and filmed war scenes from "the war" I didn't know what to think anymore
Do People still believe we should be ready to engage Russia on the ground in that theater?
Its bad enough were doing our traditional back-door war by proxy - without genuinely committing to any meaningful military goals or any identifiable victory conditions / exit strategy --
But some ppl still think we should be doing more - like sending our active duty forces into an asian land war --
Active dirty suicide rates are up About 25% recently by the way - veterans suicide rates are still high as well ...
the military we have now - has no business engaging in that war, man
Seriously consider looking up "The Great Game" as British foreign policy - there's a book called a Peace to End all Peace where it's mentioned
The great game was Englands term for countering and thwarting Russian influence and colonial expansion during the 1800s-1900s (maybe not an exact timeline)
Expanding NATO Eastward while assuming control of national banks and cultural institutions/messaging --- was literal Post Cold war design and policy proposed by Soros and his think tanks
add in the destabilization of middle eastern nations to benefit Israel and it starts to look KIND OF LIKE every GD war we've fought since 9/11 was for the benefit of The British or the Israells
Some will sat Im oversimplifying it -
but i don't think im TOO far off
Weve been used like a big, dumb freakin ogre (or golem)'- performing dirty work that benefited others and did little or nothing to support/defend our constitution and people
Read today that We're sending another 800 million of weapons?
Including our renamed cluster bomb munitions that aren't REALLY cluster bombs - 🤣
Seriously
What a cluster fk
Where do we go from here?
Anyone keeping track of actual weapon inventory and stores for - national defense?
Ahhhh hell nawwww
Not like we have supply chain problems or anything
We can easily replace all those items quickly right?
This shit has the devil himself lurking somewhere in the details
i will edit this rambling half wit manifesto later, cat fans - enjoy your saturday
The economic consequences of a war for Taiwan would be catastrophic to both China and the US, whereas war for Ukraine is significantly economically advantageous to both.
You saying, america has been doing britans bidding since 1786? Say it aint so.
By the logic I read here of those who oppose helping Ukraine because it's just a local territorial dispute, why would a non-territorial issue be of concern to the same people? Not our territory, so who cares? Ridiculous contra positions.
I ain't trying to craft this like i "suddenly see" something that was heretofore hidden or anything
But when you go down the list of military actions and conflicts - there aren't too damn many that really make sense for the US to be involved with
And Im guilty of having been a part of a LOT of military activities myself
But the end of the cold war (and subsequent recalibration of our military posture and the sodden introduction of peacekeeping in the 90s) -- PLUS - 9/11 -->> those two historical events radically changed how the US exercised global reach / global power
Gulf War 1 lead to a much wider series of military actions across Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Tunisia, Iran, and also introduced NATO forces into Africa (mostly French?) - we started arming 'moderate' muslims and other proxy armies as well --
Like we just kept getting sucked in deeper and deeper and the populace got USED to "the Long
War" (I think that was coined during the BushJr
Admin) --- we got used to having our military AND irregular/proxy forces - active in constant ongoing - open ended campaigns
Remember when we were basically told that going into Afghanistan was to remove the Taliban & help women have voting rights??🤣🤣 -- remember the purple finger pics on the
Cover of Time magauor whatever??
Awww - we invaded that remote godforsaken region - to make things Safe for Democracy
The Brits used ALL these same bullshit tactics historically as well - check out a good book on the Opium Wars sometime -- Brits knew there was cash, control and access to enormous resources once they weakened China
w/targeted importation of and continued supply lines of narcotics
they even set up alternate proxy groups that were supposedly rightful claimants to the Emperor's throne -- what a shitbag thing to do
ALL because you're addicted to tea and
Suddenly realizing that 10% of your national budget was going straight back to China (and India?) -- in the form of silver currency to fund tea cultivation and importation
Hell, Im just venting - sitting at a bar in TN now having a Modelo Negra
So frustrating driving all that effort, resources and human loss -- plus -- its like we just TORCHED whatever goodwill other nations once held for us -- and that's unfortunate because it was unnecessary AND - those actions don't reflect the mentality or mindset of ANY normal fkking American
longest war in US history was our campaign in Afghanistan - the utter failure & undisciplined, chaotic, irresponsible manner in which we retreated -- PLUS the lack of effort to address the Opium/Heroin pipelines -- etc etc.
Its just hard to swallow -
Listening to Marines talking about the specific (unlawful) orders they were given to leave operational weapons behind and ignore standard procedure of disarming, rendering inoperative etc getting revoked
If ANY of you have children that are considering a future in the US military -- I enthusiastically advise urge you to reconsider & find another path
I know everyone's situation is different - but I urge you to take a long look and talk to recent veterans if possible -
There was a time that I would never have said anything like that - and yes, i know it sounds a little defeatist
Salud, amigos
Why must cluster bombs be sent to Ukraine? Whose idea is this?
