Sorry; it was @Catemus who said Putin was sleeping with his wife or something. My bad.
The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)
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If China stays out of it then Ukraine can drive Putin’s troops out of their country. If they decide to jump in then it becomes a much broader conflict with the possibility of western munitions vs. Chinese. The ante would definitely be upped and the stakes would go through the roof.
I am not sure Ukraine can push Russia out. Not sure this administration believes that either.
But, China is more powerful in the world because of this conflict. We are not.
But, China is more powerful in the world because of this conflict. We are not.
Hmmmm.
I would say England and Israel and Japan are “partners” of the US on the level now claimed by Russia and China.
If one (or all) of our “partners” devoted 97% of their military to a bogged down war effort condemned by the entirety of Europe, how would this make us more powerful?
Most (perhaps all) of China’s major military assets are based on Russian technology or on actual purchase from Russia’s defense industries (jet engines, an entire Air Craft Carrier, etc.)
Seeing the Russian war machine humbled should do nothing for China, except expose it’s border with Russia to be of little threat.
Italy failed badly in WWII: no one has ever suggested Italy’s broadly exposed weakness and incompetence strengthened Italy’s partners, Germany and Japan.
Japan’s Prime Minister’s surprise trip to Ukraine may well be the most relevant moment of geopolitical change in the whole conflict.
Japan signaled Europe that it supports International Law outside of Japan’s region, and this should further encourage Europe to cast its support for Asian/Pacific peace and security (Taiwan). The same day Japan’s Prime Minister made his way to Europe in defense of Ukraine, German Luftwaffe jets were flying from an Australian airfield over the Pacific!
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And some say the sanctions aren’t workin’????
Take that ish to Hardin County, Biatches!!!
I’ve never accused Putin of sleeping with my wife, but I swear I saw a smuck that looked just like him driving an Uber in E-Town, Sunday.
And some say the sanctions aren’t workin’????
Take that ish to Hardin County, Biatches!!!
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China has expended a tremendous amount of their global image on the Ukraine war because they calculated a swift Russian victory resulting in the United States being forced to defending Europe and thus opening up their ambition to take Taiwan by 2027.
Very expensive debacle for China as Russia has floundered and now China finds themselves squarely in the company of Russia, Iran, and the US Trump Republicans. The most reviled little club of misfits on earth.
They squandered decades of improving their global image because it was all in on Russia or giving up on Taiwan.
So China is more powerful if their gambit works. If the US Republican Party is able to undermine US support for Ukraine enough to give Putin time to save his own skin and fashion some kind of win out of it that keeps the US split in two hemispheres instead of focusing on the South China Sea, then it is a win for China, Russia, Iran, and the Trump Republicans as that is the new Axis of Evil in the world right now.
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No, but its pretty close. Russian equipment is pretty awful. Their AK rifles are pretty good though. There's no waves and waves of t-14 modern battle tanks rolling into Ukraine. Or fleets upon fleets of SU-57s heading into Ukraine. Most of the bearded guys in the middle east use similar equipment to the Russian military in ukraine. T-72s (albeit import models) BMP1s, AK74s, BMDs, BTRs, etc.
Most of Chinas Tanks and APCS are based upon the T-72 and BMPs. They just stole the designs and ''improved them.'' They're copying our Navy and aircraft carriers too. Also their most advanced fighter the j20 is a hodgepodge of Russian and American stolen blueprints. The j-11 and j-16 are clearly ripoffs of older american F series fighter jets.
I did not say that, not even close. I said much of the western world tried diplomacy.
That's one opinion. China respects power, not withdrawal.
It’s not a partnership with Russia that makes China stronger in the world. China has avoided any great cost in this war. The US getting deeper and deeper in this conflict is a positive for China. China is learning a great deal.
The attempted analogy to WWII is meaningless and also scary.
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Actually, BBG, when you questioned me, as if you could not understand my point, you suggested that NATO was, in fact, unified and made a concerted effort. Our own president asked Zelensky if he wanted a ride out of Ukraine because he thought Russia would shock and awe. The voices against Russia were tepid. In fact, sanctions did not result until Russia was well into Ukraine. The intelligence was bad and the effort, if you can call if that, to influence Russia was weak. After the war started, the administration acted as if Biden had made attempts behind the scenes to unify NATO prior to the invasion, but if he did, he failed. Only the Ukraine brought any kind of unity when it showed better than people predicted. Then, we finally leveled sanctions. We were late in our response to something Russia demonstrated would happen for weeks. The cost of amassing its military along the border was great. We all knew what was coming. But, the rhetoric was weak. NATO was weak. Who knows, maybe we wanted Russia to invade. I don’t know.
NATO may be stronger now, but it made little prewar effort to inform Russia about the world’s response if Russia proceeded.
Kind of like they copy cars. I’m thinking the originals are always going to be better than the copies.
I remember watching a video on China by a US navy guy. He said they're copying our carrier tech but don't even understand it. They're just blindly copying it because daddy US is using it.Kind of like they copy cars. I’m thinking the originals are always going to be better than the copies.
You are completely out of your depth and don't have any idea what you are talking about.
China has squandered years of hard worldwide diplomacy and goodwill at an incalculable cost in backing Russia because they basically were at a point of forever ceding Taiwan or hopping on the Putin bandwagon to meet Xi's target of 2027 for taking Taiwan.
China, not the US, is getting deeper and deeper in this conflict.
If Russia fails in Ukraine and a a pro Western leader emerges in Russia, China would have bet their entire future on Putin and failed in one of the biggest strategic miscalculations in history. If Russia succeeds in Ukraine then Putin will proceed to Moldova and continuously be stirring the pot at the border with Poland while using Republicans to undermine NATO, and a split West opens the door for the Chinese to take Taiwan probably after fomenting a lot of problems in one form or another for the United States in the Philippines via political instability and terrorism.
Then site any alliance where one party’s embarrassment/loss/defeat made the other party to the relationship stronger.
Your point was not just that that America is in some way weakened, but that China is strengthened. The thought defies logic and is historically unsound.
Sorry to frighten you mentioning WWII. The analogy was to show the simple point that no member of an alliance has been strengthened by its partner’s defeat or embarrassment.
If mere mention of WWII is that frightening, choose any historical era of war you wish, the last two millennia, and I can make the same analogy.
Here’s one that will not make you take counsel of your fears: The Warsaw Pact was not strengthened by Russia’s embarrassment/defeat in Afghanistan; instead, the Soviets’ poor performance in the Afghanistan War laid the groundwork for the end of the Warsaw Pact.
You are right on one point: China is learning a lot. They see Asian power Japan fully supporting the defense of Democracy in Europe, and they now see NATO nations training along side our Asian friends in the Pacific.
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Vladimir Putin’s health may be disintegrating and it should terrify us all
Images of Putin gripping his chair and squirming next to President Xi in Moscow have again fuelled speculation about his health. He was filmed limping during a visit to Crimea a few days ago and during a February meeting with Belarus leader Alexander Lukashenko his leg was shaking uncontrollably. Since Putin invaded Ukraine last year, rumours of his physical well-being have been rife, with a range of theories from cancer to Parkinson’s.
This may amount to little more than wishful thinking that the man whose actions have led directly to the deaths of tens of thousands may be falling apart, and CIA Director William Burns said last year: “As far as we can tell, he’s entirely too healthy”.
But if we imagine, for a moment, that he is suffering from some serious affliction, then that would have big ramifications. For one, the immense stress that must press upon him could rapidly exacerbate his illness and directly affect his mental processes and judgement. Even if Burns is right, the demands of running a country in any circumstances are huge, and we’ve all seen the way many national leaders appear to age prematurely over their time in office.
The pressure cooker inside 70-year-old Putin’s head must sometimes reach bursting point after leading Russia for a quarter of a century, presiding over a war which has been going catastrophically wrong for the last year. Such a crushing burden would be tough enough for the leader of a democracy, but as ruler of the Russian autocracy Putin is well aware that his end could come in a violent death. Short of that, he will also know that he could face jail time following the arrest warrant for war crimes issued last week by the ICC. If he is deposed, it is possible a new regime in Moscow might hand him over as happened to Slobodan Milosevic in 2021.
Images of Putin gripping his chair and squirming next to President Xi in Moscow have again fuelled speculation about his health. He was filmed limping during a visit to Crimea a few days ago and during a February meeting with Belarus leader Alexander Lukashenko his leg was shaking uncontrollably. Since Putin invaded Ukraine last year, rumours of his physical well-being have been rife, with a range of theories from cancer to Parkinson’s.
This may amount to little more than wishful thinking that the man whose actions have led directly to the deaths of tens of thousands may be falling apart, and CIA Director William Burns said last year: “As far as we can tell, he’s entirely too healthy”.
But if we imagine, for a moment, that he is suffering from some serious affliction, then that would have big ramifications. For one, the immense stress that must press upon him could rapidly exacerbate his illness and directly affect his mental processes and judgement. Even if Burns is right, the demands of running a country in any circumstances are huge, and we’ve all seen the way many national leaders appear to age prematurely over their time in office.
The pressure cooker inside 70-year-old Putin’s head must sometimes reach bursting point after leading Russia for a quarter of a century, presiding over a war which has been going catastrophically wrong for the last year. Such a crushing burden would be tough enough for the leader of a democracy, but as ruler of the Russian autocracy Putin is well aware that his end could come in a violent death. Short of that, he will also know that he could face jail time following the arrest warrant for war crimes issued last week by the ICC. If he is deposed, it is possible a new regime in Moscow might hand him over as happened to Slobodan Milosevic in 2021.
Yea. WW3. WW3. WW3! Or.... brics has added several members. Saudi Arabia and Iran sign peace deal and are getting off the petrol dollar. China and Russia are signing a new and unprecedented co-op deal. While Europe is aligned against Russia, pretty much the rest of the world is staying out of it or passively supporting Russia/China. China's tech isn't just "old Russian" tech. China has been stealing our tech (and every other nato nations) for years now.... Nato is using Ukraine as a weapons testing area and it looks like China is going to get in on that game.
The economy is collapsing and we have banks collapsing and over 160 banks in danger of failing. China has so much money invested in US co's that they could pull money out of the US and tank our economy. Several US intel and military people have been on tv and other media saying they expect to go to war with China by 2030 or 2035. China has newspapers and tv's.... They know they are next on the globalist hit list. They aren't going to just sit by and let us take out everyone 1 by 1 and then be completely cut off from the rest of the world. We are forcing these adversaries to become friends. Hell.... We got Iran and SA to sign a peace deal... Joe Biden is so incompetent that he accidentally got peace in the middle east by uniting them against us.
His photo op in Crimea went poorly. He was heckled, but worse, his appearance was off.
His face looked like a funeral director’s first attempt at a makeup job.
US sending M1 tanks to UKR later this year.
Good question by the Beeb:
Good question by the Beeb:
How much money has the US given to Ukraine?
A year into the conflict, some are wondering where the money goes - and if the aid is worth the cost.
www.bbc.com
The worldwide banking industry has some concerns.
But what has come to the rescue to date?
“Hours later, a group of central banks from around the world boosted the movement of US dollars through the global financial system to keep loans flowing to households and businesses and support the world's major economies.”
Sounds like the world is still pretty dependent on the old greenback!
Global banking crisis: One big problem down, too many others left to go | CNN Business
After a major, systemically significant bank crumbled over the weekend, the banking crisis left financial institutions and regulators scrambling Monday to prevent its spread.
Let’s see . . . we are broke, abandoned, doomed and damned? The world is abandoning the PetroDollar, most countries are supporting China/Russia, quietly, BRICS is strong and adding members, buuut
The US (that is collapsing, doomed, damned and isolated) is now the omnipotent global hit man? China is next on the “hit list?”
Russia invades Ukraine, but we are the criminals?
All we want from China is to live in peace with Taiwan, whether unified or not. Suggesting we are planning to take them out is bizzare!
To be so f@&ked nine ways to Sunday, to be so broke, so weak, so isolated, we are still that big of a threat to China?? Hell, all they have to do is pull two-hundred-fiddy-six bucks out of a credit union in Burbank, and half of California will slide into the sea, lambs will lay down with lions, the wind won’t blow, the grass won’t grow, and the water won’t flow! The Yankees will never win another World Series!!!
I’m sceared!!!
I’m so sceared!!!
I’m sceared because we are such a major threat to those peaceful, fun-loving Chicoms!!
But I’m even sceardder that we are so weak we couldn’t take France if they spotted us Paris!!
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That would certainly be their worst nightmare and that is a big reason why Xi is sticking with a losing hand when they have to know Russia will be defeated.
XI is not there to save Putin and he knows it. Xi is there to try to ensure a pro China Russia emerges from the defeat in Ukraine instead of a pro West Russia.
The stakes are huge no question about it.
XI is not there to save Putin and he knows it. Xi is there to try to ensure a pro China Russia emerges from the defeat in Ukraine instead of a pro West Russia.
The stakes are huge no question about it.
Hhhhhhhmmmm. You want me to address your strawman argument? No, I will let you do that.
They are playing a muychweaker hand against us better than we are, unless it's our actual goal to get Ukrainians killed and make the average westerner poorer.
It appears our intelligence misinformed what was being reported, that Ukraine would fall quickly to Russia. Then, it appears Ukraine represented some existential threat to global democracy. Then, it appears we must support Ukraine’s valiant efforts, because Putin won’t stop at Ukraine, as he showed with Crimea and Georgia, before, even though we knew then he wanted Ukraine and we did virtually nothing to stand in his way as he took those territories. Then, we were told that Ukraine is kicking Putin’s ass, demonstrating how weak Russia is (and, evidently, somehow, how weak China is, likewise - how one deduces that conclusion is beyond everyone’s pay grade), BUT we still need to worry about Putin’s thirst for more …
Wait, we laugh that Russia is uber weak, but still justify our position of fear?
To quote an advocate, “Hhhhmmm …”
Wait, we laugh that Russia is uber weak, but still justify our position of fear?
To quote an advocate, “Hhhhmmm …”
If you connect the dots, this is probably typical. Countries are doing business with Russia. Many have used third-party countries to conduct the business, but it is still happening.
I think a body language expert would say that Xi was acting like the daddy in the recorded meeting with Putin. Putin looked down most of the time while Xi literally looked down on his much smaller host with a wry smile of superiority in this video,
Russian pop star who criticized Putin found dead after drowning
The group called Cream Soda released a song in 2017 about drowning in the Volga, four years before it's founding member died in the same way.
www.newsweek.com
The lack of coherence in support of the war has been hard to witness.
Well, goose stepping isn’t popular among those who think for themselves. 😁
How high can you kick, comrade?
