The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)
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---Well, goose stepping isn’t popular among those who think for themselves. 😁
How high can you kick, comrade?
It's likely those are fascists, you know, like the Democrats. Bribeden, Pelosi , Mussolini, Schumer, etc., etc., etc....They've got all of you War Pigs marching in unison.
Ironically, this is exactly what I mean. So, thanks, I guess.Well, goose stepping isn’t popular among those who think for themselves. 😁
How high can you kick, comrade?
I think they will but they’ll have to put Russian markings on the shells and equipment they give Putin. They’re very good at copying things, like cars and aircraft carriers.
I guess the check from uncle Vlad will show up soon. In the meantime, things are playing out as expected.
Ignoring reality does not save you from the consequences of reality. With Germany's economy absolutely tanking I'd imagine that Europe will turn to cheap Chinese goods just like most of the rest of the world. Maybe China will keep selling us stuff even during a war. Maybe we can shoot rockets at Chinese people with Chinese microchips in the rockets!
You are using a normalcy bias. You are trying to pretend that the last 50 years have any bearing on the next 10. Joe Biden and Victoria Nuland are running this ship. They are both very incompetent at diplomacy. Milly and Austin are in charge of military and they have both proved to be incompetent yes men that will say and do what they have to advance their career.
You do realize how the US became a superpower right? What do you think this map looked like when we went from an agrarian economy to a manufacturing juggernaut? Who looks to be better set up for the next 10 years? Which countries are fighting climate change at the expense of their economies and which one isn't?
In other words, you can cite no example of an alliance member benefiting from the weakness, defeat of another.
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To the escalation tribe. What do you make of this?
www.aljazeera.com
China’s Xi tells Putin of ‘changes not seen for 100 years’
President Xi Jinping and his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin bid each other farewell after talks in Moscow.
Nothing but the same old tiresome sabre rattling from the 2 biggest wannabe's in the world. As soon as Russia isn't benefitting Xi, Xi will drop Russia like a hot potato.To the escalation tribe. What do you make of this?
China’s Xi tells Putin of ‘changes not seen for 100 years’
President Xi Jinping and his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin bid each other farewell after talks in Moscow.
Let me guess, they scared you.
There has never been an era in World History when a preceding period of 60 years had no bearing on the subsequent 10 years.
The post to which you are responding called out your prior post for its obvious inconsistency: you described the US as “picking off” other world powers, hence threatening China; then you described the US as basically finished.
We can’t be both a menacing, omnipotent world power of threat to China, and as weak as your post described.
I’m not scared my friend. Far from it. I don’t think though in the midst of a war you can call anything saber rattling though. As for xi dropping Putin it’s not gonna happen. There’s no where for him to go. He’s not gonna cozy up to any western country. Russia is integral to chinas security. So two things are the case here. 1 China is not going to bail on the Russian government nor Putin. China would never let Russia fail because that would mean europe in his doorstep. It’s a major escalation and the usa has to think this through and be clear headed about its objectives because there is no room to conduct this like the afghan pull out, Iraq, Syria, you name it.
I won’t play this game of you pretending I said something I didn’t and then you acting as if I must address your fiction. China is gaining influence and power, much of it by taking advantage of this war and our incompetent response to the war. It’s strengthened and new partnerships and influences go way beyond Russia. It likely has its eyes on members of NATO who are more and more becoming dependent upon China and its partnerships. While the US is acting as if Russia is a threat to NATO, China is gaining traction as the world power and addressing ITS weaknesses, rather than focusing on ghosts and rabbit holes.
By the way, China is building a coalition that will make stopping its advances upon Taiwan nearly impossible. If you thought Germany realizing it was too dependent upon Russia was an obstacle, wait and see how China is working its way into everyone’s fabric.
This one sentence encapsulates everything I’ve said from the start. Wars have consequences: some very obvious, some that take years or decades to shake out. The British didn’t lose their dominance in 1945, it happened in 1914, whether they realized it then, or not. But it got very real for them when the dollar usurped the pound.You are using a normalcy bias. You are trying to pretend that the last 50 years have any bearing on the next 10.
The most catastrophic thing that can happen to us is the loss of reserve currency status. Yet, the same idiots making policy about this war are the same ones who crippled us with shutdowns, then massive spending, and now inflation. Is there anybody who believes they have a strategy regarding Ukraine that is based on putting us in a stronger position? Not a chance.
Making the US stronger is antithetical to many people’s beliefs. That is why there does not seem to be a consistent metric for when and why we involve ourselves. If it feels right, we do it. If not, we don’t.
Some here have made the removal of Putin as the goal of a foreign war without knowing whether that would be beneficial in the short or long term for the US.
It would appear that a democratically governed world power is better for the world than a communist or despotic world power. China plans to fill that void. They have stated enough. They seem laser focused, while we seem scatterbrained. Is the world better off if that happens?
If not, should we be focused on maintaining our position in the world? If so, is a resolution of this war better or worse for the US?
Some here have made the removal of Putin as the goal of a foreign war without knowing whether that would be beneficial in the short or long term for the US.
It would appear that a democratically governed world power is better for the world than a communist or despotic world power. China plans to fill that void. They have stated enough. They seem laser focused, while we seem scatterbrained. Is the world better off if that happens?
If not, should we be focused on maintaining our position in the world? If so, is a resolution of this war better or worse for the US?
If up 1.4% for 2022 & projected up 0.5% for 2023 is absolutely tanking for you, have at it. Me, it's not great but certainly not tanking, much less absolutely tanking. You can be such a jokester.
What coalition? North Korea? Even Pakistan - a Chinese ally - is helping Ukraine.
44 MBTs, not hard to google. So again, who is going to help China invade Taiwan?
Check yourself and reread. I did not say someone was going to help China invade Taiwan.
Got it. This makes Saudi a member of a China coalition in your mind. Wow. But even if so, who cares? We need to worry about the U.S. here at home vs. the rest of the world - at least so I read here.
It's a mere territorial dispute:
"The International Criminal Court (ICC) has expressed concern over “threats” from Russia following its issuing of a war crimes arrest warrant for President Vladimir Putin.
The ICC’s statement of concern on Wednesday came after former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev threatened to hit the war crimes court in The Hague with hypersonic missiles. It also followed Russia’s top investigative body opening a criminal case against ICC Prosecutor Karim Khan as well as the judges who issued the warrant for Putin."
www.aljazeera.com
"The International Criminal Court (ICC) has expressed concern over “threats” from Russia following its issuing of a war crimes arrest warrant for President Vladimir Putin.
The ICC’s statement of concern on Wednesday came after former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev threatened to hit the war crimes court in The Hague with hypersonic missiles. It also followed Russia’s top investigative body opening a criminal case against ICC Prosecutor Karim Khan as well as the judges who issued the warrant for Putin."
ICC concerned by Russia’s ‘threats’ over Putin warrant
International court’s comments follow ex-Russian president’s threat to hit tribunal with hypersonic missiles.
I think you're intentionally misstating my point.... Our diplomacy tactics and use of our military as a bargaining chip in negotiations is why countries are looking elsewhere. You have had to have heard US military and politicians saying that we are going to war with China soon, yes?
Only crazy leaders like Khadafi talked about abandoning the petro dollar in the past but now brics and opec are openly negotiating that very point. If opec takes 50% of their oil in yuan or gold instead of the dollar then our economy will absolutely tank. We aren't giving Ukraine money that we have. We are giving them money we are printing. The inflation alone will wreck us.
My point is that if we want to go to war then we need to put the nation on a war footing. We are pretending like we don't have to do that and we can fight this war just like the afghan war.... and this isn't the same fight or geopolitical situation. The people in charge aren't willing to do the things necessary to win the war that could devolve out of all this so at that point they would just waste all the lives lost up to the "surrender in afghanistan" moment.
The whole reason everyone is lying about Ukraine losses is because the truth would dry up support for this war quick and they know it. There is a reason people are trying so hard to get US troops on the border of Ukraine and trying to get Poland involved and it isn't because Ukraine is kicking ass and taking names.... They know that Ukraine is toast if their upcoming offensive doesn't just absolutely wreck Russia's entire front. Most people don't care about this war outside of virtue signaling and as the economy gets worse their willingness to fund a losing war is going to tank faster and faster.
China/Russia and China/India are natural adversaries, and our diplomacy strategy is driving them together.
Like I said dude... Ignoring reality doesn't protect us from the consequences of reality.
Yep. Even Australian leaders have said that they would not unconditionally promise to support the US if Taiwan was invaded.... Australia!
Or, we could make decisions based upon the interests and wellbeing of the United States.
And who is the arbitrer of that besides those opposed to spending any more on Ukraine?
That isn't exactly what was said. They said there is no guarantee as part of the AUKUS deal. You love to leave out certain facts to support your position.
Germany is full of smart, disciplined people. Unless they let a gazillion 3rd world uneducated people in they'll be fine.
What do you think are the interests and well-being of the US?
German economy heading for contraction in Q1, Bundesbank says
https://www.reuters.com/markets/eur...ng-contraction-q1-bundesbank-says-2023-03-20/German inflation hits 70-year high as economists warn of deep recession risk
https://www.ft.com/content/877ecb30-b884-42d0-afc4-17b7d404a5a1Germany on brink of recession as economy shrinks; central banks may raise interest rates to 15-year highs this week – as it happened
This article is more than 1 month oldGerman GDP shrank by 0.2% in Q4 2022, worse than expected, as investors anticipate borrowing costs to be hiked again this week
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...r-profits-surge-germany-economy-business-live
Going from 4.1% growth to looking at negative growth this quarter... I know you love to sugarcoat anything but people running corps in Germany are screaming at their government to change direction on green energy and sanctions or they will be forced to leave the country.
