The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)
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I get more and more certain that you are a troll acct. Nobody can be that stupid. Jesus, the self-love alone has to be faked for comic effect.
From your tiny perspective it may appear that way much like a termite glancing unknowingly up at the sun. The vast ocean of ignorance still may feel the warmth of its glow but of course never know why.
The seven month Russian effort to break the will of Ukraine by destroying utilities, especially electrical substations, has interesting parallels with the 1940 Battle of Britain.
The most interesting parallel is that the aggressor failed in each effort.
The Ruskie’s really thought the winter air/missile campaign would bring Ukraine to its knees.
The Ukrainians moved quickly, decoupling from the Russian power grid within hours of the February 24th invasion, and coupling, instead, to Europe’s grid.
They’ve since become masters at repairing and replacing Soviet era transformers and switches, getting help, again, from other former Communist Eastern European nations.
www.wsj.com
The most interesting parallel is that the aggressor failed in each effort.
The Ruskie’s really thought the winter air/missile campaign would bring Ukraine to its knees.
The Ukrainians moved quickly, decoupling from the Russian power grid within hours of the February 24th invasion, and coupling, instead, to Europe’s grid.
They’ve since become masters at repairing and replacing Soviet era transformers and switches, getting help, again, from other former Communist Eastern European nations.
Russia Tried to Freeze Ukraine. Here’s How It Survived the Winter.
Air defenses downed many missiles targeting power plants. When they were hit, crews scrounged spare parts and fixed them.
www.wsj.com
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I don’t know how this will end, but the idea that Ukraine is going to storm the Kremlin and oust Putin or have his head on a stake cannot be supported by the historians here. It’s a ridiculous objective. Bleeding Russia as an objective makes more sense. If being an evil guy was enough, we would have never left Afghanistan. The Taliban abuse and kill children and women. Both sides agreed (Bush and Obama) that American interests justified that war. Yet, we pulled our troops in a reckless manner for political gain and turned the country over to the Putinesque Taliban. Saddam Hussein killed nearly a million of his own people. He was evil. Yet, without American interest, support could not be sustained. If someone thinks the American public is going to support trillions to Ukraine under the guise of defending democracy (global democracy is not threatened by Russia in Ukraine) or ousting evil in the Kremlin, they don’t know history.
The idea that a resolution at the table is not satisfactory is, again, one for people who have no skin in the game take.
BOth sides also agreed that American interests were not at stake when PUtin took Crimea, yet now the entire fate of the so-called rules based international order hinges on an otherwise meaningless sliver of land where Ukrainians and Russians have lived 5ogether for centuries, and will need to agian viigure out how to live peaceably at some point.
So "critical" is it to American interests that it's worht risking WW3.
So "critical" is it to American interests that it's worht risking WW3.
This is fan fiction. You’re great at it.
Russia “should” pick a Western friendly leader? To the Russian mind, the West has pushed NATO into their sphere and represents a threat. That’s a fact. However illegal we consider the Ukrainian invasion, it really doesn’t matter. It’s how Russia perceives it. The hopes of a pro-Western leadership are nil.
I warned of this specifically last year. I said, specifically, that we risked driving Russia into China’s camp. Not exactly going out on a limb since any fool should have seen it. This week, the Chinese premier was in Moscow. Where we’ll be in another year remains to be seen but is not too hard to imagine. Thanks to sanctions, Russia is now supplying cheap energy to China; is there anybody willing to bet China won’t supply weapons to Russia?
All of this over a swath of Ukrainian dirt that has traded hands countless times, and will again.
You have told us that NATO would obliterate Russia; today Putin is heading to Warsaw and Vienna. Make up your mind, Churchill.
Weird that they want this rules based world order instead of just sticking to international law too. Rules are how governments get around the law.
It’s clear by that those supporting the continuation of this war are not basing their positions on history, or any sort of realpolitik. It more resembles a social media hysteria.
If only you had left off that last line. I would have thought it a reasonable post. Well, that and you saying Russia instead of Putin. You just keep forgetting that Putin is a totalitarian. This is Putin’s war. It will end when he is ended.
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US to fast-track Abrams tanks for Ukraine by choosing older version
The Pentagon is speeding up its delivery of M1 Abrams tanks to Ukraine, opting to send a refurbished older model.
www.airforcetimes.com
---US to fast-track Abrams tanks for Ukraine by choosing older version
The Pentagon is speeding up its delivery of M1 Abrams tanks to Ukraine, opting to send a refurbished older model.
And that version will last about 15 minutes on today's battlefield....if that. These aren't bearded guys from the Middle East the Uks are going against.
Putin is seeing what a wave of drones can do to his military. 
www.graphicnews.com
MILITARY: Russian missiles destroyed in Crimea blast infographic
March 21, 2023 - Ukraine’s defence ministry says an explosion in the north of the annexed Crimean peninsula destroyed Russian cruise missiles being transported by rail. infographic
www.graphicnews.com
Well, thats you. I dont follow any political ideology 100%. I'm perfectly happy to think for myself. If turning my brain and my political ideology on causes me to be at odds with any group, so be it.
The last line is the hardest for you all to accept. I get it, he’s an asshole. But we don’t (and shouldn’t) build strategy on this.
We should have forced peace. Instead, we are rapidly losing the ability to shape whatever peace emerges. All over somebody else’s territory.
I make the point that Trump was obviously undermining NATO and visibly cowing to Putin at Helsinki and he translates that into me saying Russia would kick NATO's arse today.
So no point in talking to the guy. I just give him my La Tigra look from Zoolander and let him feel its fierce yet strangely empowering gaze of animalistic disapproval.
So no point in talking to the guy. I just give him my La Tigra look from Zoolander and let him feel its fierce yet strangely empowering gaze of animalistic disapproval.
Meaningless sliver meaning all of Ukraine, Baltic states, & eastern Europe just for starters.
That's your view. Doesn't make it accurate. My view is Putin used it as an excuse for re-establishing the Russian Empire.
By supporting continuation of war you must mean Putin only. Last 30 years of history are more valid than 300 and 1000 years ago.
Heading there by war, agree that's his aim. If by traveling, he'll be arrested for war crimes.
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The US version has that British developed Chobham armor (or a version of it), plus additional steel & depleted uranium layers. Not so on the version shipping to the Ukraine.
US Armor
Most of the world tried a diplomatic end. Putin refused/ignored the effort. You absolutely naive if you think you just "force" Putin to avoid this war.
Worse yet, this isn't over some swath of land. This is about all of Ukraine. Putin has repeatedly said this and that he wants the Ukraine government replaced, that he wants Russian land and people united, regardless of what they want.
I said from the outset that his goal was to take a corridor to link to Crimea. He has, and I’d be stunned if that area can be retaken by the Ukrainians alone. He’s sending signals today that he is ready for peace. That peace will either be brokered by China, or by the West.
What’s the alternative to drive him completely out? Short of NATO boots, there’s not one. Maybe in spring, Ukraine can drive them out but I doubt anybody would bet on it.
So, we’ve reached the point that myself and others predicted, not because we’re any smarter, but because it was the most obvious outcome.
No; you said you wanted me to help you fight the guy sleeping with your wife.
We disagree if you think the world truly attempted to dissuade Putin. Despite a ridiculous amount of notice, NATO was not united and presented a disjointed response to the border escalation. After Crimea, it’s almost as if NATO baited Putin by suggesting the response would be no different. We will never know if Putin could have been dissuaded, because NATO was weak.
Peace on his crazy terms and I dont see it the same as you. The only reason Putin has that small amount of land is because his army has repeatedly failed to take and keep any more. No need to pat yourself on the back, you still aren't right.
You contend NATO (or the world, as you stated) presented a strong United front? Really. I find that interesting.
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