The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)
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Then the proper debate, since it is indeed a choice by the
And, on and on... not this useless bluster and bloviation, worthless straw man arguments that all dissent is abetting the enemy, motivated by russian disinformation or whatever nonsense used to stifle discussion.
Then, what is your take on our chosen “strategic ambiguity” regarding Taiwan?
We don’t even have written [meaningless] assurances regarding Taiwan.
If your position opposes our mere (but significant) material support for Ukraine that costs no US military lives, then direct support for Taiwan (which could cost us thousands of lives) has to be off the table.
Right?
China is not going to broker any deal. First off, why would Zelensky talk to Putin while Russian troops are in any part of Ukraine? Secondly, the West stands resolute with Ukraine. Zelensky is in the catbird’s seat. He holds the power. Neither China nor Russia have anything to offer this side of a complete troop withdrawal.
I have stated this at least 20 times: Russia is nowhere NEAR the threat that China is. The eastern Ukrainian swath of dirt that Russia wants has nowhere NEAR the economic value of Taiwan. We have NATO to contain Russia in Eastern Europe, but we have nothing comparable in the Pacific to contain China.
The CCP is possibly the most evil polity in human history. It has to be contained at all costs. Yet, we are 31 trillion in debt but are borrowing to pay for a war that does nothing to contain our real enemy.
So no, I don’t consider them the same at all.
Now for you. Are your values on display when a committee selectively edits CC footage, refuses bi-partisan status, conducts Soviet-style show trials, and keeps political prisoners locked up far beyond the typical scope of what rioters would normally receive?
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And where were yours when the country was being torn apart in 2020 during those "Mostly Peaceful" riots?
You want to talk about aiding and abetting the enemy?
NOTHING serves Chinese interests quite like participating in this endless left/right politicization of every issue, the stupid and needless domestic discord they themselves have participated, if not compeltely responsiible, in sowing.
NOTHING serves Chinese interests quite like participating in this endless left/right politicization of every issue, the stupid and needless domestic discord they themselves have participated, if not compeltely responsiible, in sowing.
Going further, would you be in favor of removing that “strategic ambiguity,” and directly supporting Taiwan?
At this point, the Chicom’s appear pretty much poised to pounce.
I agree with the polarization bullshit: we need to get our sh!t together on the “entitlements.” I’m 60 and ready to sign off on half or more of my “entitlement,” as I’m in better than average financial condition.
I can grow my own food if needs be.
31 trillion is pretty daunting until you consider our “unfunded” liabilities to the SS system [95 trillion . . . or more] by 2060?!?!?
That’ll park our carriers pretty quickly if we don’t get our ish straight.
I don’t want our young to pay 30 percent in FICA to support me, and when I die at 100 years of age, in 2063, I want US Sea power intact.
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We’ll see. The west shut down the peace talks a year ago. Maybe Zelensky is open to a new gravy train and is tired of the dog and pony show that comes along with being ground zero in a US vs Russia proxy war. Peace May be preferable to tens of thousands more dead in a spring offensive. China has all the Biden financial records the House is currently trying to get, so it’s not like they can put up a big fight against China.
So, yes? Those were your values on display that day?
I watched the event live. I saw a mob beating and pushing police officers aside, breaking down locked doors and storming into the Capital Building.
It was a full-on insurrection meant to halt the confirmation of each state’s votes. It did that temporarily.
That you discount the insurrectionists’ actions as “normal rioting” is bewildering.
My values were on display that day within the Capital Building where the democratic process of vote confirmation was taking place before the attack by insurrectionists.
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Appeasement and peace talks are two different things.
Your poor opinion of President Zelensky is off the mark. The man is a hero to Ukrainians.
I do agree with you that the West, not just the US, is engaging in a proxy war with Russia. Makes sense from a military standpoint. Aiding Ukrainians in their fight for survival and discovering the strength of our former #1 rival is a twofer in that regard.
Huh? Well, this is a new conspiracy theory I hadn’t heard about. I thought the Ukrainians had them and were blackmailing the US into helping them against Putin, who has the Trump golden shower tapes. 🤪
Conspiracy theories seem to pop up faster than weeds in a freshly plowed field.
Another conspiracy theory I heard about was that there was a laptop somewhere that had a lot of incriminating info on it. Has that ever been found?
I’ll assume you intentionally skipped my initial response about the Ellipse. Nevertheless, yes it was a riot, comparable to any other. You think J6 was somehow more offensive to the rule of law than the entirety of 2020? That any attempt to essentially overthrow a government could seriously happen without firearms? That J6 is somehow more treacherous than the DNC cooking up a phony document claiming that a sitting POTUS was controlled by Russia and using it to thwart and obstruct the will of the people that elected him?
I don’t think any credible person can hold these contradictory beliefs.
Actually curious if this is an attempt at a joke I don’t get or what if you can explain the post to me.
You're inferring the US is somehow forcing Ukraine to fight this war. Is that correct?
I’m saying the US shut down peace talks a year ago, signed a blank check for Zelensky and set the propaganda machines into overdrive.
No joke but maybe a bad memory on my part. I don’t follow conspiracy theories very closely. Disregard.
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Inconvenient truths are often dismissed as conspiracy theories in order to deflect blame from the guilty.
Can you support that? I certainly see where Russia negotiated in bad faith with no real desire for peace. You must have alternative info and id like to read it.
I’ll assume you intentionally skipped my initial response about the Ellipse. Nevertheless, yes it was a riot, comparable to any other. You think J6 was somehow more offensive to the rule of law than the entirety of 2020? That any attempt to essentially overthrow a government could seriously happen without firearms? That J6 is somehow more treacherous than the DNC cooking up a phony document claiming that a sitting POTUS was controlled by Russia and using it to thwart and obstruct the will of the people that elected him?
I don’t think any credible person can hold these contradictory beliefs.
Ellipse? I can’t find any reference to that in your post.
Overthrow the government? No. Stop the vote confirmation? Definitely. Harm Pence and Pelosi? Probable.
I don’t think any credible person can hold these contradictory beliefs.
Ellipse? I can’t find any reference to that in your post.
I’m amazed that you can’t see a difference when it involves the Capital Building in which a democratic process was being held.
“…the entirety of 2020” is far too vague a phrase to elicit a response from me.
Overthrow the government? No. Stop the vote confirmation? Definitely. Harm Pence and Pelosi? Probable.
Apples and oranges. The former was a lawless attempt to stop a democratic process. The latter was an accusation that was disproved by using a democratic process.
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If you are that oblivious to the facts that you’d make a joke about Hunter Biden’s laptop being a conspiracy in March of 2023, you really need to reassess your news sources.
If ever there is a deal brokered which is questionable given where the world is headed. An actual deal though China will be one of the countries involved in the process. That’s pretty clear at this stage. It ceased to be a European problem once the USA got involved.
Then it should be easy to find. I do remember the disingenuous negotiations thru an oligarch where Russia required a land transfer plus more.
Is that what you're claiming the US shut down?
“Move not unless you see an advantage; use not your troops unless there is something to be gained; fight not unless the position is critical.”
“If he sends reinforcements everywhere, he is weak everywhere.”
-Sun Tzu
The question should be: of whom would he be speaking in 2023?
Try DuckDuckGo if your having trouble finding something that goes against the pop-war narrative.
That you think a riot by unarmed hooligans is a more grave threat to democracy than the entirety of 2020 (as if you don’t know what that means) AND the most brazen treachery I can ever recall in the Russia collusion hoax, says it all. It’s no wonder you think Ukraine is some sort of life and death moment for us.
