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The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)

The people of Russia are slow to see evil it seems but when they do they take action to eliminate it.

Igor Mangushev, a Russian officer, brandished a human skull at a concert and said it was from a Ukrainian soldier who he killed in Mariupol. On February 5, 2023 he was shot in the head at close range and killed near the city of Luhansk. His commanding officer, Yevgeny Prigozhin, refused any comment about the matter and did not investigate the killing of Mangushev.

Perhaps the horror of the psychopaths in the war is getting to the average Russian soldier. Hopefully, they’ll see that their commander in chief is also a psychopath.

Read about this murderer and rapist earlier today. He fvcked around, then he found out.
 
Ukraine is the stimulus package biden needs to keep things afloat with. 10s of billions with no oversight. 😂 we have disasters at home that need that level of attention. A big chunk of the debt that’s gonna sink the USA is from fighting wars we seemingly lost. Now with more of it.geez
 
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Clearly stated and a consistent thread of thought by leftists, anarchists, socialists, unionists and Marxists/Communists for over a hundred years.

We tend to win wars, and just as the winner gets to write the history of the war(s), so, in the long-haul the winner is recognized as the most efficient killer.

Aye.

We are that!

From the burning of Atlanta in 1864, to the sizzle of Hiroshima, to the napalm of 1960’s, and the Muslims dead by their hundreds of thousands (or whatever).

Might make some folks hesitant to pull off a Pearl Harbor or 911 attack, if they know us as well as you do.
Sherman was a POS.
 
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One of the comments:

Putin made the same mistake as Hitler did, and like him wasted an army on a pointless objective.


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Sherman was a POS.
Yes.

A POS that understood warfare.

My Great-Grand-Father, a Kentucky Slave-Owner, volunteered for the Union Army and marched from “Atlanta-To-The-Sea.”

“Huzzah, Huzzah, We Bring the Jubilee

Huzzah, Huzzah, the Flag That Sets Men

Free!

So We Sang This Chorus, From Atlanta To

The Sea,

As . . . We . . . Were . . . Marching . . .

Through . . . Georgia!”

 
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Yes.

A POS that understood warfare.

My Great-Grand-Father, a Kentucky Slave-Owner, volunteered for the Union Army and marched from “Atlanta-To-The-Sea.”

“Huzzah, Huzzah, We Bring the Jubilee

Huzzah, Huzzah, the Flag That Sets Men

Free!

So We Sang This Chorus, From Atlanta To

The Sea,

As . . . We . . . Were . . . Marching . . .

Through . . . Georgia!”
My 3rd and 4th cousins William Nelson Pendleton and Sandie Pendleton (Stonewall Jackson's best staff officer) were generals and Colonels in Lee's army of northern Virginia. One of my 2nd cousins in the 6thKY infantry was killed opposing Sherman in 1864. It's fair to say we have different opinions on his march to the sea lol.
 
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One of my 2nd cousins in the 6thKY infantry was killed opposing Sherman in 1864. It's fair to say we have different opinions on his march to the sea lol.
My GGF lost two-of-three first cousins from Anderson County, Ky. at Shiloh (in Butternut) and unknown to him at the time, had at least 6 second-and-third cousins fighting in the Army of Northern Virginia with the “Little Fork Rangers,” who were from the Little Fork of the Rappahannoc River in and about Culpepper County, Virginia.

My branch of the family first “re-visited” Culpepper County in 1980. We met a man my father’s age who said, “we always knew my Great-great-grandfather had a brother move to Central Kentucky in 1808, but we never heard back from him.”

It was spooky meeting third-and-fourth cousins who looked as much like us as do our Kentucky kin.

Met a lovely lady, aged 90+ years at a swank retirement home in Richmond, the widow of a cousin who’d graduated Harvard, written a family history and taught at UVA. She insisted we take a look at a massive portrait above her bed: her Dad and six Uncles who had served as Officers in the Army of Northern Virginia, their seven photos surrounding Lee in the middle.

Virginia in 1980 was so amazing. It reeked of history, but did not even have road signs to direct you to Washington or Jefferson’s homes. In contrast, if you were from Harrodsburg, Stanford, or Danville, Kentucky, every state highway entering the state from 1965 on, told you how many miles you were from Fort Harrod, Constitution Square and the William Whitley House.

Virginia has since taken note, and taken a great leap or two in marking their amazing historical sites.
 
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You’re a broken record. You really want to run this thread, don’t you?

Okay, it works both ways. Share the documents that tie Biden and his son to Chinese and Ukrainian influence.
10 for the Big Guy! And if you don't know what that means, you're clearly a tool of the White House Fascists.
 
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My GGF lost two-of-three first cousins from Anderson County, Ky. at Shiloh (in Butternut) and unknown to him at the time, had at least 6 second-and-third cousins fighting in the Army of Northern Virginia with the “Little Fork Rangers,” who were from the Little Fork of the Rappahannoc River in and about Culpepper County, Virginia.

My branch of the family first “re-visited” Culpepper County in 1980. We met a man my father’s age who said, “we always knew my Great-great-grandfather had a brother move to Central Kentucky in 1808, but we never heard back from him.”

It was spooky meeting third-and-fourth cousins who looked as much like us as do our Kentucky kin.

Met a lovely lady, aged 90+ years at a swank retirement home in Richmond, the widow of a cousin who’d graduated Harvard, written a family history and taught at UVA. She insisted we take a look at a massive portrait above her bed: her Dad and six Uncles who had served as Officers in the Army of Northern Virginia, their seven photos surrounding Lee in the middle.

Virginia in 1980 was so amazing. It reeked of history, but did not even have road signs to direct you to Washington or Jefferson’s homes. In contrast, if you were from Harrodsburg, Stanford, or Danville, Kentucky, every state highway entering the state from 1965 on, told you how many miles you were from Fort Harrod, Constitution Square and the William Whitley House.

Virginia has since taken note, and taken a great leap or two in marking their amazing historical sites.
My 8th great grandmother. And 6th great grandmother, and 7th great grandfather. Were Pendleton and Gaines. The 7th great grandfather was William Henry Gaines. Who was at the house of Burgesses. My 8th great uncle was Edmund Pendleton. Who had a hand in drawing up the declaration of independence. They were all from Culpepper and the Shenandoah valley.
 
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You’re a broken record. You really want to run this thread, don’t you?

Okay, it works both ways. Share the documents that tie Biden and his son to Chinese and Ukrainian influence.
This is from last fall…BEFORE Hunter Biden admitted what was on the laptop was real.

I can’t believe you’re going to pretend you have no idea about it but hey, it’s that kind of willful ignorance your masters are depending on.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/hunter-biden-laptop-investigation.html
 
He has conquered bought the alt-right faction of the Republican Party and thinks they will ultimately take over the US in 2024. The elections of 2022 should have shown him and the alt right that the movement towards authoritarian rule in the US is dwindling.

Trump was their big hope and he floundered. Now they have only Putin to lead them, and he’s too remote. There is an army of Putin shills who are trying to hide behind a Libertarian mask as they shout out, “We need to mind our own business. This is not our war!”
The only silver lining, the only sliver of hope Putin has remaining is the Republicans coming through for him. There is a very high degree of probability that the only thing keeping Putin alive today is the Republican Party. His one ace remaining in a dead hand.
Nobody should pass that video up. We are that close to crushing Putin and mortally wounding China's ambitions. See this through. The Trump Republicans are the only thing Putin, China, and Iran have left.
 
Interesting response, why?
Well. Sherman was a Violent racist, wanted to genocide native americans, and ruined the south for decades. He turn up southern railroads and ordered his men to tie the railroad rails around trees (google Sherman's bowties) so they couldn't be used again. He burned fields of crops causing the fields to lie dead for years. His army slaughtered every animal they could for food. Burned warehouses of goods down. Burned warehouses of Cotton down. As he marched into Columbia and set the town ablaze. He told the citizens who's homes were getting burnt down that this was their fault.

Sherman issued Special Field Order No. 16, which forbade recruitment officers from enlisting blacks. To make himself clear, he warned that any recruiter who enlisted black soldiers would be arrested and possibly imprisoned.



"The poor whites & negroes of the South have not the intelligence to fill the offices of governors, clerks, judges, etc. & for some time the marching of state Governments must be controlled by the same class of whites as went into the Rebellion against us". -Sherman 8/1865

"If they design to protect themselves against negroes & abolitionists I will help; if they propose to leave the Union on account of a supposed fact that the northern people are all abolitionists like Giddings and Brown then I will stand by Ohio..." -Sherman 10/29/59

"I would not if I could abolish or modify slavery. I don't know that I would materially change the actual political relation of master and slave. Negroes in the great numbers that exist here must of necessity be slaves." -Sherman 12/23/1859

"All congresses on earth can't make the negro anything more than what he is; he must be subject to the white man, or he must amalgamate or be destroyed...Two such races cannot live in harmony except as master or slave." -Sherman 7/10/1860
 
Well. Sherman was a Violent racist, wanted to genocide native americans, and ruined the south for decades. He turn up southern railroads and ordered his men to tie the railroad rails around trees (google Sherman's bowties) so they couldn't be used again. He burned fields of crops causing the fields to lie dead for years. His army slaughtered every animal they could for food. Burned warehouses of goods down. Burned warehouses of Cotton down. As he marched into Columbia and set the town ablaze. He told the citizens who's homes were getting burnt down that this was their fault.

Sherman issued Special Field Order No. 16, which forbade recruitment officers from enlisting blacks. To make himself clear, he warned that any recruiter who enlisted black soldiers would be arrested and possibly imprisoned.



"The poor whites & negroes of the South have not the intelligence to fill the offices of governors, clerks, judges, etc. & for some time the marching of state Governments must be controlled by the same class of whites as went into the Rebellion against us". -Sherman 8/1865

"If they design to protect themselves against negroes & abolitionists I will help; if they propose to leave the Union on account of a supposed fact that the northern people are all abolitionists like Giddings and Brown then I will stand by Ohio..." -Sherman 10/29/59

"I would not if I could abolish or modify slavery. I don't know that I would materially change the actual political relation of master and slave. Negroes in the great numbers that exist here must of necessity be slaves." -Sherman 12/23/1859

"All congresses on earth can't make the negro anything more than what he is; he must be subject to the white man, or he must amalgamate or be destroyed...Two such races cannot live in harmony except as master or slave." -Sherman 7/10/1860
I deleted my question because I thought you answered it in your response to Hack. Apparently I need to read up on Sherman a bit.
 
He turn up southern railroads and ordered his men to tie the railroad rails around trees (google Sherman's bowties) so they couldn't be used again. He burned fields of crops causing the fields to lie dead for years. His army slaughtered every animal they could for food. Burned warehouses of goods down. Burned warehouses of Cotton down.
True on the racist accounts, and unfortunately, barely removed from Lincoln and Grant’s own musings about race, pre-war.

Even Frederick Douglas made remarks that make the modern ear cringe.

I must call out one statement: as an active and life-long farmer, William T. Sherman did all of the destructive things you list, short of “causing the fields to lie dead for years.” The only effort in human history I have read of to destroy crop production, permanently, was Roman efforts to plow salt into the fields of North Africa.

His methods of destruction were complete and cruel, and were actually matched or exceeded by Sheridan in the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia, such that “a crow will have to carry provisions to cross the Valley.”

Madison, Georgia (still) stands out as an exception: Sherman’s roommate at West Point was from Madison.

My Grand Father died in 1980, the last of nine kids of my GGF (who survived the War, dying in 1926).. My granddad related to me the stories of “Sherman Neckties.” They have gone by at least three different names: Lincoln, Sherman and Jeff Davis, depending on you source(s).
 
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True on the racist accounts, and unfortunately, barely removed from Lincoln and Grant’s own musings about race, pre-war.

Even Frederick Douglas made remarks that make the modern ear cringe.

I must call out one statement: as an active and life-long farmer, William T. Sherman did all of the destructive things you list, short of “causing the fields to lie dead for years.” The only effort in human history I have read of to destroy crop production, permanently, was Roman efforts to plow salt into the fields of North Africa.

His methods of destruction were complete and cruel, and were actually matched or exceeded by Sheridan in the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia, such that “a crow will have to carry provisions to cross the Valley.”

Madison, Georgia (still) stands out as an exception: Sherman’s roommate at West Point was from Madison.

My Grand Father died in 1980, the last of nine kids of my GGF (who survived the War, dying in 1926).. My granddad related to me the stories of “Sherman Neckties.” They have gone by at least three different names: Lincoln, Sherman and Jeff Davis, depending on you source(s).
They lied dead for a few years after he marched through. Not for decades.
 
Well. Sherman was a Violent racist, wanted to genocide native americans, and ruined the south for decades. He turn up southern railroads and ordered his men to tie the railroad rails around trees (google Sherman's bowties) so they couldn't be used again. He burned fields of crops causing the fields to lie dead for years. His army slaughtered every animal they could for food. Burned warehouses of goods down. Burned warehouses of Cotton down. As he marched into Columbia and set the town ablaze. He told the citizens who's homes were getting burnt down that this was their fault.

Sherman issued Special Field Order No. 16, which forbade recruitment officers from enlisting blacks. To make himself clear, he warned that any recruiter who enlisted black soldiers would be arrested and possibly imprisoned.



"The poor whites & negroes of the South have not the intelligence to fill the offices of governors, clerks, judges, etc. & for some time the marching of state Governments must be controlled by the same class of whites as went into the Rebellion against us". -Sherman 8/1865

"If they design to protect themselves against negroes & abolitionists I will help; if they propose to leave the Union on account of a supposed fact that the northern people are all abolitionists like Giddings and Brown then I will stand by Ohio..." -Sherman 10/29/59

"I would not if I could abolish or modify slavery. I don't know that I would materially change the actual political relation of master and slave. Negroes in the great numbers that exist here must of necessity be slaves." -Sherman 12/23/1859

"All congresses on earth can't make the negro anything more than what he is; he must be subject to the white man, or he must amalgamate or be destroyed...Two such races cannot live in harmony except as master or slave." -Sherman 7/10/1860
Seems like a good General to me. Its hard to view men of that era with our contemporary bias. Out of curiosity, didn't you say your people fought for the Confederacy? If so, I imagine they held similar views of blacks, or worse.
 
Seems like a good General to me. Its hard to view men of that era with our contemporary bias. Out of curiosity, didn't you say your people fought for the Confederacy? If so, I imagine they held similar views of blacks, or worse.
He was overrated as a field officer. And yes, most everyone save for a minority like John Brown. Held similar views of black people. What I have an issue with is people painting that war in black and white. That men like Sherman and Grant were pure non-racists leading their armies into the south to free the slaves. And that men like Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson were virulent racists hellbent on keeping their slaves. The war was much more nuanced than that. And sadly, most people are taught that version of the war. There were good men on both sides. And yeah I had tons of confederate family. My 3rd great grandfather on my father's side of the family died in 1863 in the 11th tenneessee cavalry. The man in my picture was my 4th cousin. Lt. Col. Sandie Pendleton army of Northern Virginia.
 
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He was overrated as a field officer. And yes, most everyone save for a minority like John Brown. Held similar views of black people. What I have an issue with is people painting that war in black and white. That men like Sherman and Grant were pure non-racists leading their armies into the south to free the slaves. And that men like Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson were virulent racists hellbent on keeping their slaves. The war was much more nuanced than that. And sadly, most people are taught that version of the war. There were good men on both sides. And yeah I had tons of confederate family. My 3rd great grandfather on my father's side of the family died in 1863 in the 11th tenneessee cavalry. The man in my picture was my 4th cousin. Lt. Col. Sandie Pendleton army of Northern Virginia.
I agree, it was an ugly and complicated war.
 
What I have an issue with is people painting that war in black and white.
And, so true of all of our difficult, nuanced history.

I have a suggestion for replacing Confederate Monuments . . . with Monuments to a Great Southerner: John Marshall Harlan.

Born in Lincoln County in 1832 (thence Boyle County in 1842), a graduate of Centre College, from a rural slave-owning family, a Union Officer, who went on to be the only Southerner, and the only former slave owner on the US Supreme Court.

In 1896, he was also the only member of the SCOTUS who dissented to legalized, state-sponsored segregation, beginning with the case of Plessy vs. Ferguson,

His sole dissenting voice was heard on similar cases for three decades, including an 8-1 vote against Berea College, upholding Kentucky’s Day Law, Berea having integrated in 1866..

His original dissent ended with a ringing challenge or warning across the decades, saying the majority opinion was an act so odious “that nothing of the future will atone for the wrong this day done.”
 
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CIA chief: China has some doubt on ability to invade Taiwan

WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. intelligence shows that China's President Xi Jinping has instructed his country's military to “be ready by 2027" to invade Taiwan though he may be currently harboring doubts about his ability to do so given Russia's experience in its war with Ukraine, CIA Director William Burns said.

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In Sunday's interview, Burns said the support from the U.S. and European allies for Ukraine following Russian President Vladimir Putin's invasion of that country may be acting as a potential deterrent to Chinese officials for now but said the risks of a possible attack on Taiwan will only grow stronger.


Ah, there it is. The very case I made in here that was jeered by the Putin water carriers.
 
The defeat of Russia and Putin in Ukraine is the #1 objective of US foreign policy as the ramifications are staggering. We must stop the Russians in Ukraine as that effectively ends the expansionist dreams of both Russia and China.
 
China's President Xi Jinping has instructed his country's military to “be ready by 2027"
Hmmm.

Another ill-conceived Communist 5 year plan!

They’d better figure out how to over come not only Virginia Class Subs, but also new Tawainese Subs that might well be lurking by 2027.

That 70 kilometer traffic jam the Kremlin faced 12 months ago, would be a 130 kilometer oil slick in the Taiwanese Straight.
 
They lied dead for a few years after he marched through. Not for decades.
Well, he certainly destroyed any and all infrastructure associated with agriculture. Ironically, his troops found little growing cotton, the demands of war having tilted ag production toward corn and foodstuffs by 1864.

And though the fields may have been untended or neglected for multiple seasons for lack of infrastructure, new seeds, and/or recently fled labor, if anything, acts of burning increased the potash (potassium) levels of the soil at the cost of some nitrate levels.

Only in the mid-fifties, did Kentucky State agricultural specialists stamp out “burning” of fields in the late Fall, showing the loss of nitrogen slightly outweighed the gain of Potassium (potash), which could be (mostly) saved by turning (plowing) the fields in the Fall and planting a cover-crop on top.

I’m 60 years old. One of my earliest memories (1966?) was seeing my Dad and older brother pouring water on our fence posts, as a neighbor’s “field fire” had gotten out of hand, and was threatening our boundary fence.

Complicating matters, then, it was widely believed among small land-owners (black-and-white) that burning large fields controlled snake populations. State folks eventually convinced everyone that burning your fields (or the neighbors’) was at best “a wash” for fertility, and chased snakes toward yards that had not been burned.
 
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That idea and the idea that those who are against appeasement want to force regime change upon Russia at the risk of a nuclear exchange are things you've concocted in your own head, or are straw man arguments built by the appeaseniks here in this thread as fear-mongering techniques.
Damn.

I wish I had written that!!

Extra credit for “appeaseniks,” adroitly combining Chamberland with Soviet era terminology!
 
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At least Vlade and his merry band of Ruskie Orc nutjobs keeping it minimal. Damn animals.


 
CIA chief: China has some doubt on ability to invade Taiwan

WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. intelligence shows that China's President Xi Jinping has instructed his country's military to “be ready by 2027" to invade Taiwan though he may be currently harboring doubts about his ability to do so given Russia's experience in its war with Ukraine, CIA Director William Burns said.

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In Sunday's interview, Burns said the support from the U.S. and European allies for Ukraine following Russian President Vladimir Putin's invasion of that country may be acting as a potential deterrent to Chinese officials for now but said the risks of a possible attack on Taiwan will only grow stronger.


Ah, there it is. The very case I made in here that was jeered by the Putin water carriers.
It’s not made clear that what we’re doing in Ukraine will stop an invasion. More like a temporary deterrent.

"So, all I would say is that I think the risks of, you know, a potential use of force probably grow the further into this decade you get and beyond it, into the following decade as well.”
 
CIA chief: China has some doubt on ability to invade Taiwan

WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. intelligence shows that China's President Xi Jinping has instructed his country's military to “be ready by 2027" to invade Taiwan though he may be currently harboring doubts about his ability to do so given Russia's experience in its war with Ukraine, CIA Director William Burns said.

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In Sunday's interview, Burns said the support from the U.S. and European allies for Ukraine following Russian President Vladimir Putin's invasion of that country may be acting as a potential deterrent to Chinese officials for now but said the risks of a possible attack on Taiwan will only grow stronger.


Ah, there it is. The very case I made in here that was jeered by the Putin water carriers.

Who jeered it? As a possibility? I think most people here against the war understand why/what the CIA is telling you it's necessary.
The only silver lining, the only sliver of hope Putin has remaining is the Republicans coming through for him. There is a very high degree of probability that the only thing keeping Putin alive today is the Republican Party. His one ace remaining in a dead hand.

Nobody should pass that video up. We are that close to crushing Putin and mortally wounding China's ambitions. See this through. The Trump Republicans are the only thing Putin, China, and Iran have left.

It's the Republicans who have been most vocal about increasing the magnitude and urgency of support, against the current administration's preference for a slow-roll.
 
CIA chief: China has some doubt on ability to invade Taiwan

WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. intelligence shows that China's President Xi Jinping has instructed his country's military to “be ready by 2027" to invade Taiwan though he may be currently harboring doubts about his ability to do so given Russia's experience in its war with Ukraine, CIA Director William Burns said.

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In Sunday's interview, Burns said the support from the U.S. and European allies for Ukraine following Russian President Vladimir Putin's invasion of that country may be acting as a potential deterrent to Chinese officials for now but said the risks of a possible attack on Taiwan will only grow stronger.


Ah, there it is. The very case I made in here that was jeered by the Putin water carriers.
No, here it is: "U.S. intelligence." Anybody that would believe anything from the people who have lied to us for 70 years is an absolute tool of Democrat Fascism.
 
The defeat of Russia and Putin in Ukraine is the #1 objective of US foreign policy as the ramifications are staggering. We must stop the Russians in Ukraine as that effectively ends the expansionist dreams of both Russia and China.
So only the US is allowed to have expansionist dreams, correct? What are you afraid of, the Chinese or Russians taking Frankfort?
 
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CIA chief: China has some doubt on ability to invade Taiwan

WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. intelligence shows that China's President Xi Jinping has instructed his country's military to “be ready by 2027" to invade Taiwan though he may be currently harboring doubts about his ability to do so given Russia's experience in its war with Ukraine, CIA Director William Burns said.

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In Sunday's interview, Burns said the support from the U.S. and European allies for Ukraine following Russian President Vladimir Putin's invasion of that country may be acting as a potential deterrent to Chinese officials for now but said the risks of a possible attack on Taiwan will only grow stronger.


Ah, there it is. The very case I made in here that was jeered by the Putin water carriers.

Hahahah, you're listening to the CIA director? And you.think he is honest?

Hahahahaha
 
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