The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)
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So you don't think we are defying Putin in Ukraine? OK.
You guys just say words or you laugh. There is no thought or consistency other than denial and the pursuit and prosecution of straight Russian propaganda right off the desk of Vladimir Putin. It doesn't matter to me whether it is purposeful or not. Just that you are dumb enough to do it.
I pointed out the problems in your logic. I get that your default response when this happens is to insult, call names, etc. Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
But it’s been a year and nobody can say how this affects European or American security. Or why we must fund it when Europe won’t. You’ve made my point very nicely when you talk about our military superiority: there is no inherent danger to Europe from Russia.
If that’s true (and it is), how and why is a government floundering in debt sending many billions, with more to come, to a place that serves no strategic interest while our own country falls apart?
You see, there IS propaganda at work here. It’s just coming from other places besides Moscow.
Nope, I used it correctly. I can’t see you in that picture anywhere, are you driving?
No need. I’m happy with how our tax dollars are helping Ukraine.
Are you standing in a field near there with a bouquet of flowers? I hope you’re not anywhere a HIMARS might land. It’ll shake the petals off your daisies.
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We are in a default proxy war with Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin. Although our and Britain’s 1994 treaty with Ukraine doesn’t prohibit boots on the ground or any other measure to stop aggression against Ukraine by any state including Russia. The degree of aid is determined by the Executive and Legislative branches of our government.
Your takes are childlike.
All Russia had to do was reply that they can't guarantee the safety of the US President and that they have ongoing operations in the area that are active.
We can't put our President in there if they do.
Russia knows they can only do what we allow. Why do you think they work so hard with their Republican allies in Washington to carry water for them otherwise they couldn't get anything done. Republicans are expensive, but they have been the most valuable asset the Russians have by far. Probably historically so.
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Since when did we start winning wars? We're about 0-30 since the 1980s.
The problem is, we tend to kill the wrong people. Like Old Joe ordering the killing of an Afghani working for a US NGO. He was killed, along with some of his family, after a bomb went off during the US "tactical retreat" from Afghanistan. Why were they killed? Well, somebody had to die. And as Mark "Thoroughly Modern" Milley said "It was a righteous strike."
What would a real Russian operative say different than half these guys? Seriously. It cannot be argued that they are not Anti-American.
Imagine these guys talking like they do in here in front of US troops in a bar somewhere? I'd love to see the ass kickings that would ensue.
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Well, it would be the only "ass kicking" US troops gave to anybody since WW2.
Exactly. They are Red Amerikans, the alt-right. They are unhappy with our Constitution, the Supreme Court which interprets it, the Legislative Branch which creates laws according to those interpretations and the Executive Branch which carries out and enforces those laws. They want an authoritarian state where just their views are laws, like Russia.
Why our airports aren’t jammed with them trying to emigrate from the US to Russia is a puzzle. They hate America and love Putin. The irony is that he’d welcome them with open arms, there’s lots of open land for their compounds and they’d have no trouble at all learning the language. Of course, they might have to serve a term(s) in the trenches in Ukraine first to show their
1-30. I was in the game for the Gulf War so...
The Boys from Desert Storm and Special OPS teams want you to have a drink with them.
Yeah, so pat yourself on the back for your tour but wink at this clown shitting all over your other brothers.1-30. I was in the game for the Gulf War so...
Same guy telling us about how fierce Russian soldiers were while shitting on our own so no surprise. I'd rip your uniform off through your skull but that's just me.
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Those groups are the absolute core of the Democrat party!
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Settle down there Captain America. You need to worry about things that really matter, like our Crypt Keeper president & his dirty family accepting millions of dollars in bribes from China, Mexico & Ukraine.
There's nothing circular about the anti-war reasoning I've presented here and in the other thread, but yeah, incidentally; I said at the start of this thing there that they would make the argument that the very problem they've created by prosecuting this proxy war could only be prevented by continuing to prosecute it.
You're literally arguing war is peace just like some guy with remarkably keen insight into the human condition said you would.
No. Since my country’s got no business in Ukraine, I’m nowhere near there.
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"As long as it takes."
A lot of our tax dollars going to Ukraine are ending up in Zelensky's hands & in the hands of his merry band of thieves. Another large part is funneled back to US politicians, military leaders & the MIC. No wonder Lloyd "Lockheed" Austin wants to fight there forever.
"As long as it takes."
Funny shit. I’m childlike for assuming that because they chose not to ignite the apocalypse, it means they somehow fear Joe Biden?
Wait, that’s you.
Your takes get more unhinged every day man.
I wonder: do you think pointing out Russian atrocities is somehow making people aware that Russians are brutal?
Like, wouldn’t any literate person who’s read even a little about the Eastern front in WWII, or Russian history in general, know that they are?
So, since the answer to that is yes, it begs the question: what exactly is the point? Do you think it’s some kind of gotcha?
No-one in America wants World War 3, except for about 10 weirdos on this thread. I don't know a single warhawk in person. Everyone in the real America is sick of this crap.
Weren't you woke weirdos the ones who were authoritarian in 2020 and 2021 and still are? Many of you wanted to incarcerate the "unvaccinated" and still do. Take your mask and eat it.
And you woke weirdos are more disrespectful to the Supreme Court of the United States than any "alt right" person in America. Especially after the Court is now issuing decisions you don't like. Whoever heard of protesting, that is, INTIMIDATING a Unites States Supreme Court Justice at their HOME? You weirdos did it.
You woke wacks are the absolute definition of authoritarian. Puritans of the modern age. The Komissars of America.
War is not peace, Strength is peace and war is the application of strength to achieve peace when somebody invades another country.
Allowing the conquering of your neighbors by violence cannot be rewarded. Both China and Russia must get the message that brutally that attacking another country because you feel entitled to their land will not be tolerated. It is the most important objective in US foreign policy and it must be won.
We're demonstrating that now to the Russians in Ukraine as the Chinese look on.
Funny, I never saw one post from you about Yemen and Saudi Arabia, or any other of the multitudes of conflict worldwide. Why is that, NPC?
Oh. Because the media told you this is the one to worry about.
Shut up, Z. You're broken 💔 😢
Those are false equivalencies but I understand you don't realize that. Probably best you just not waste either of our time as you don't seem to grasp anything useful about the situation. All you're going to do is continue to rationalize your support for Vladimir Putin.
I don't know why you guys just don't own that? Talk to us about why you have cast your lots with Vlad and convince us of your real point of view. Stop with these shenanigans and talk plainly about why you support him so completely.
I want at least an acknowledgement that you find yourselves curiously on the same side as Russia, China, and Iran. That's a fact. So please explain?
What happens if/when we lose, and Russia gets their novoRussiya? Was it worth it then, or would you have wished we made the obvious moves to prevent this cauldron from going hot?
I don't think there's any validity to this line of thinking whatsoever. You (general) are making it for one of two reasons, ignorance or expedience. It's simplistic and it's propaganda 101, "If you aren't with us, you are against us!"
I don't expect the woke left to see the distinction. I do expect your left to be able to though.
Peace is in everyone's interest; here, there, everywhere. And not the kind of peace achieved through war.
Russia invaded Ukraine. Brutally. They are killing with impunity. We have officially concluded they are war criminals.
How, on what planet, is the side that is coddling Russia also trying to claim they want peace?
WHEN YOU SAY YOU WANT PEACE YOU MEAN YOU WANT SURRENDER.
Don't you get that, yet? You want to leave the Ukrainians to be slaughtered and dominated by an invading Russian army. How the ^)(^&* is that "peace"?
For whom is there peace through appeasement? You can’t grasp that Putin is brandishing a two-sided sword.
On one side is war and on the other is appeasement. You see the appeasement side as duller and less cutting than the war side.
In actuality, the only difference is that the appeasement side is slower in its cuts. Only one side has an end for Putin, the war side.
He can be defeated via war. Appeasement will never stop him.
He is a psychopath. He will never be satisfied, appeased. It’s his nature, as horrific as all of the psychopathic dictators before him.
Putin may be a hero to you but most of the free world sees him as a war criminal.
Again, it's fascinating to me how you Warhawks can say putin is a war criminal and when he is defeated is going to get his comeuppance, and also say no way would he ever use a nuke.
Explain.
I get it. I completely understand the argument, why you feel that way.
But that's not what I want. They are going to have to live next to each other, one wyay or the other, regardless. They are going to have make some sort of peace agreement eventually. The interim will just be them killing each other with impunity, as you put it, which they are exactly the same towards one another in that regard, believe it or not. The longer this goes on, the more death and destruction, and the more hatred engendered, further perpetuating the same stupidity that got us here in the first place. This is an entirely needless and stupid ethnic conflict on the European continent with the potentiality of enveloping the rest of the world in it as we see now with China considering providing military aid to Rusia, precisely the kind of nonsense the founding fathers warned us against involving ourselves in. (no, I'm not making an isolationist argument)
