The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)
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Link to the video of the speech is in the article below.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...-ukrainian-pensions-resurfaces-stoking-anger/
They could just turn off the spicket without blowing up the pipeline. You are arguing that they wanted to hurt themselves too.
I'm not in favor of that. Some general economic aid is required but pensions is a bit too far.
Ya think? I know it’s only February, but that right there is my nomination for understatement of the year. I get your sentiment on the subject but “bit” is definitely not an appropriate word to use there given the circumstances.
I would also go a bit further (see what I did there) and say that “general economic aid” isn’t going to cut it either. Blindly giving billions of dollars to Ukraine in some sort of “general” capacity? Nope. Specific aid for very specific economic items with very specific accountability procedures in place maybe. But not general economic aid. Not until there is some semblance of accountability of the billions that have already been sent.
Still waiting for an answer on how the audit is going???
You are trying wayyyy too hard. It litter ali makes zero cents for them to blow up the pipeline. They can just turn it off and not lose billions of dollars in investment money. But we all know that Russians are just dumber than dogshit. It's wild that so many are good at chess given that they will cut their penis off zipping up their pants.
Given the president and democrats think his presence helps, the fact he’d visit Kyiv while ignoring East Palestine, the southern border, etc. tells you all you need to know.
Zelensky probably just made him pick up his USB bitcoin wallet in person and refused to give it to an intermediary.
Zelensky probably just made him pick up his USB bitcoin wallet in person and refused to give it to an intermediary.
Because the pro-war group has claimed that Russia is a dangerous threat to Western Europe and must be stopped via U.S. aid while also claiming they’re a paper tiger with outdated equipment that we could run circles around.
One of the many contradictions they’ve put forth for a year. Seemingly no curiosity about why Europe can’t fund this existential threat on their doorstep.
One thing is for sure, as we have said from the start: there will be a non-stop flow of American money to Ukraine. It’s only really just started.
Watched it 3X. Yet to see a gun. Yet to know why they are apprehending him. You understand Ukrainian?
The only pro-war group here is the one that tries to justify Russia's invasion.
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Kind of like you, I guess. I'm sure you believed the Gulf of Tonkin incident was real, that there were WMD in Iraq, that Covid didn't come from a lab & that masks worked.
The Gulf of Tonkin incident was real as it is historically documented. The only question is of interpretation and motivation for either a deception or mistake in reports of the 2nd attack. Like the sinking of the Lusitania drawing the US into war with Germany you could say it was inevitable anyway. Regardless, its why they call it "The Fog of War" to begin with and speaking of "The Fog of War" I highly suggest you view that Errol Morris documentary featuring John McNamara as you might actually learn something and be slightly less ignorant in matters you insist on talking about. Worst case scenario, we lied about it to have a go at the Vietnamese. That has happened time and again in history. The true judge is the merit of the fight to begin with, not so much what gets you there. You either should be fighting or you shouldn't. That's the lesson here. Clearly in Ukraine they should be fighting as they were invaded. Russia being our #1 global adversary and with China watching closely, clearly we want to defeat Russia by proxy while ensuring the Chinese understand taking over another country by force is not something the world will tolerate anymore. Not to mention the vast importance of Ukraine agriculturally and economically to the world necessitating is stays out of Putin's hands.
Dick Cheney cherry picked and purposefully filtered intelligence reports to make the case for WMDs in Iraq. Once the product of his shenanigans hit the decision makers including GWB and Colin Powell then you can't blame them for acting on it. They had every reason to believe what they were saying as they didn't know what Cheney was doing in his browbeating sessions over at the CIA. So we're back to the same point, was it a just war? I think we should have decimated the Iraqi army but left the Government standing even potentially leaving Saddam there. Our biggest single mistake (and also one of the biggest political/military blunders in history) was disbanding the Iraqi army which instantly turned them into insurgents. Regardless, there never were WMDs and we knew that. Either prosecute Dick Cheney or shut up about it.
If Covid came from a lab in China then that means the Chinese would have been researching it and ostensibly would have known more about it than anyone else, yet the United States fared much, much better than the Chinese did due to the Trump administration recognizing the impact it would have on hospital ERs, shutting things down, getting folks to cover their faces, and give ourselves a fighting chance to understand this thing before we proceeded. As a result we developed the greatest vaccines in the world in record time and fared much better than the Chinese who you seem to suspect unleashed this thing to begin with. I don't know enough one way or the other but my gut feeling is it didn't come from a lab. It crossed over just like Ebola did from animal to human. Regardless, we did about as good as you could hope and I am very proud of our country for how we handled that and saved so many of our people.
Masks "don't work?"
If a virus is passed physically in droplets and a mask reduces the spread of those droplets by any degree whatsoever then how is that not working? They may not be completely effective the but to say they are completely ineffective is absurd and demonstrates you lack even a child's basic rudimentary understanding of science. Mathematically it can be demonstrated "masks work" to some degree if by nothing else than spray pattern analysis like in a crime scene. The cone would be significantly reduced by the degree of effectiveness and quality of the mask just as holding your hand over your mouth or putting your shirt over it would.
Do you have any other easily disprovable dumb things to say?
Honestly I wasn't trying to play "gotcha" - that's just not something I ever do really -
More or less just trying to get a basic profile on who Im talking to - Im here to learn as much as share & I know there are plenty of qualified professionals on this board in addition to straight forward KY- peoples
Thats all - no other angle here
Back to Russia:
1) When was the last time anyone rolled over them militarily? Napoleon maybe?
2) Because of the alliance they've signed - we have to remember -- any escalation against them -- draws some measure of response fm China (very likely against us directly) and probably Iran as well (regionally IMO)
N Korea as a wildcard
(basically their status since 1953 right?)
I wont hound you for answers - but please know Im genuinely interested in the conversation
PS - Has there EVER been an uglier series against any SEC foe than those 2 UT games???
Looked like 2 drunk dudes fighting over the last pork chop --
And not even our OWN bully
At times I think we have intervened militarily/economically in such a way as to benefit Israel or NATO more so than Tennessee, Utah or Alaska
Our role has become something more than just
unreasonable -
Because there really IS NO MEANINGFUL DIALOGUE or debate between citizens and
officials regarding ..... scaling back our forces overseas OR selecting specific types of units for rest, training and maybe repurposing -
Somewhere along the way - our military stopped being 'ours'
Stepping back and cycling units awaiting fm Overseas duty also gives us a chance to evaluate potential alignment with new
technology in our CONUS locations
Depending on where and how we cycle fm Overseas to CONUS - we MAY even generate some goodwill - possibly cut spent too
Aside fm adopting a less permanent overseas role for our services - I also 100% believe we need some PERMANENT closures & sunsetting of US military presence in some areas (NATO
base closures / unit reassignment - AND exit the organization - reallocate those funds into our hemisphere)
When is the last time you've even heard someone seriously suggest ANY kind of role
change like that?
Ron Paul maybe?
Its like - it's just UNDERSTOOD that we will continually maintain garrisoned forces and hardware in all the place where World
War 2 left them AND we have to maintain additional jump off points that allow easy access across the middle east ....cause thats the job of young men & women fm Michigan, Wyoming, Nevada & Virginia
And we've obviously done such quality work as global shit kickers -- right?
Surreal
That does make some sense -
And economic alignment / cooperation was always touted as a great way to avoid wars (UN? NATO mantra?)
But - I think the major powers see the shift coming where we will no longer occupy the same influence and dollar based leverage on the worlds economy -
There certainly have been gradual realignments here and there these past 15 years or so (?)
i.e -
Russia/China agreement to stop using the dollar as the basis for exchanging natural gas and other commodities
India, S Korea & other allies have made similar moves - I don't remember them all at present --
and I'm DEFINITELY veering into a less familiar knowledge base -- there are aspects of macro-economics that i do not understand at ALL
I DO know that it cost me $0 to
watch Kentucky go 2-0 against UT this season ....and I had 3 separate UT-fanatic-older-brothers sitting with me as their team of stooges unraveled
so THATS an amazing value, brothers & sisters
HAAAACK!'
its been a MINUTE, manHope you're well & still feeling tingly fm then second UT win
So lets acknowledge the that Russia was already based in Ukraine because of mutual agreement between the 2 nations --
I realize they sent additional forces later - but they shouldn't be characterized in the
same way we would describe Germany & the USSR invading Poland in 1939 or N Korea invading S Korea in 1950
And it we really want a clean conversation - and
take a good look at ourselves as we do it --
we were actively involved with interventions with multiple nations from 1991 up to when we began seeing weapons to UKR
I mean - we had been working overtime with the
British and Israeli's to fund proxy wars, stand up paramilitary orgs within other sovereign nations, fund and support cultural
change within other parts of the world --
often unwelcome ....and every so often we
would have the Navy launch tactical tomahawks into Syria, Iraq, yada-yada - color revolutions were all the rage -- hell
...we MOVED into Afghanistan and shit ...
All while NATO broke its pledge not to expand east
So -- we CANT just say "Russia invaded" and let that somehow serve as a meaningful justification for action OR an accurate description of events leading up to now
Did you just remind yourself that you never answered my question about how
withdrawal strategy / victory conditions in
UKR???
Damm-nation -
Your punctuality and eagerness to address loose ends like that is JUST ONE of the
things I love about you,
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Haha
ohhh shit-
Thats a wise approach, 5Thou
Should also hedge against The Crazy Eyes - like a Pre_Pre Nuptial Agreement
😉
I’m just glad we’ve progressed as a nation from spreading democracy through enhanced interrogation techniques and fighting wars based on fabricated claims of weapons of mass destruction to now spreading democracy through acts of eco terrorism and funneling money we refuse to count to one of the most corrupt areas of the world.
Brother-Man!
Every time I see your name I get a quick childhood summer memory of setting off
fireworks -- "jumping jacks" -- maybe y'all remember them?
Quick ass fuses - sometimes they would skip along the ground emitting green/red fire
sometimes they took flight with a weird high pitch humming sound -
and someones (exactly twice) - i would set
accidental , MAJOR wildfires to the back yard, fields AND neighbors property
So --
You post ...and all that beautiful chaos erupts in my head ...just thought you'd like to know
Another couple of years and he could be breast feeding that horse.Does this explain it for you? Considering stupid things, that is.
Welcome to Team Putin where anything but unquestioning, unwaivering unending support of Zelensky gets you crowned as a Russian shill!!!!!
Lighting them and throwing them at each other in the yard was a favorite pastime. Sometimes they’d really take off through the air and chase your ass quite a ways.
Yes we were free range children.
Somewhere after 1989 ish
They became cheap imitations of their former selves
Kinda like Louisville basketball or The Who
They were fully functional in submerged environments too --
Hmmmm...this is making me want to go set
some $$hit on FIRE today - gonna look into that
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