The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)

[CastleRubric]

Welcome to Team Putin where anything but unquestioning, unwaivering unending support of Zelensky gets you crowned as a Russian shill!!!!!

Open question to the good people here who
support our military intervention in UKR

Given the incessant demands for
weapons - and the continual upgrading to bigger / more powerful arms


Is there a logical limit you believe we shouldn't apply?

Is there a point where you draw

a red line and say NO, LITTLE SLAVIC MAN!' You CAN NOT HAVE a Hydrogen's Bomb!

 

[Bill Cosby]

I’m not sure at this point if I’m less confident in John Calipari leading us into March, or Joe Biden leading us into WWIII.

 

[AustinTXCat]

Good news for EU on the energy front:

How Europe Ditched Russian Fossil Fuels With Spectacular Speed

(Bloomberg) -- Europe’s most remarkable response to Russia’s war on Ukraine hasn’t been marshaling military equipment and billions of euros in aid. It’s been the unprecedented speed of an energy transition that in one year has nearly eliminated its dependence on Russian fossil fuels in an...

finance.yahoo.com

 

[LOL_Man]

Back to Russia:

1) When was the last time anyone rolled over them militarily? Napoleon maybe?

2) Because of the alliance they've signed - we have to remember -- any escalation against them -- draws some measure of response fm China (very likely against us directly) and probably Iran as well (regionally IMO)

N Korea as a wildcard
(basically their status since 1953 right?)

You make these little snippet posts like you're just shooting off the top of your head without much thought and they're superficial little oversights or misstatements or things you easily abandon without defending once your points are challenged. You're like some kid I'm supposed to tutor and it is a tiring exercise if you're going to continuously bring nothing to the table in terms of real substance. Are you capable of fleshing out your ideas on anything or are you permanently scattershot?

I guess you don't mean the current butt whipping the Russians are receiving in Ukraine while simultaneously being the laughing stock of the entire military world as they are completely inept at basic combat maneuvers and logistical support. They give the appearance of just making it up as they go along, almost.

So you also want to overlook Afghanistan, too? You know, where the Soviet Union collapsed? I guess that wasn't significant enough for you either? Very interesting you pointed to Vietnam as a US military failure yet completely overlooked the Russians in Afghanistan?

How about WW!!? Didn't make your list, either. The only thing that saved them from the Germans was their weather and completely not caring about how many casualties they took or how much equipment they burned through as the Germans initially chewed them up as well. So when and where exactly are the wins that have so impressed you about the Russians? Because they are willing to endure anything and fight in massive waves of wasted lives and brutish apathy. Stalingrad is impressive to you?

I could write 50 pages right now on the evolution of the Mujahideen in Afghanistan right up until Ronnie Reagan stabbed them in the back and created bin Laden and Al Qaeda, alone. So your little snippet thoughts do annoy me tremendously.

If you think US foreign policy should be to cower to China and submit to Russian nuclear threats then maybe you should just stick to snippets. Maybe snippets are all you've got?

If China wants some then good luck trying to fight us without any oil. We can shut them down economically and militarily as we have all the cards to play. If we didn't, China would have taken Taiwan a long time ago.

As for Russia, kill Putin and offer up a couple generals for war crimes, then stab China in the back and fall back into Western favor and get all your sanctions lifted and be welcomed back to the International fold. It really is that easy.

We're about to checkmate China and they know it. All this is just prelude. Russia and China are like 2 murderers that got caught but we're only giving one the sweet deal to flip on the other. First one up gets the deal, only we're keeping one foot on China and just waiting the Russians out while Ukraine bleeds them. Not too much, but enough for us to own them like we own everything else. This is the big boys table and we're playing big boy games so spare me the snippets, son. This game isn't for you.

 

[Catemus]

I’m not sure at this point if I’m less confident in John Calipari leading us into March, or Joe Biden leading us into WWIII.

Today’s appeasenik clench factor on a scale of ten: 12.

 

[LOL_Man]

That Biden picture is for all intents and purposes a touchdown dance. Talk about rubbing it in their faces. Our President is in a war zone completely without a US military presence. Joe is telling Putin right to his face he's as insignificant as a Russian supply line.

The message is for the guys waiting to kill Putin. What are you waiting for? We're spiking the football you clowns.

 

[JumperJack]

I guess you don't mean the current butt whipping the Russians are receiving in Ukraine while simultaneously being the laughing stock of the entire military world as they are completely inept at basic combat maneuvers and logistical support. They give the appearance of just making it up as they go along, almost.

So you also want to overlook Afghanistan, too? You know, where the Soviet Union collapsed? I guess that wasn't significant enough for you either? Very interesting you pointed to Vietnam as a US military failure yet completely overlooked the Russians in Afghanistan?

How about WW!!? Didn't make your list, either. The only thing that saved them from the Germans was their weather and completely not caring about how many casualties they took or how much equipment they burned through as the Germans initially chewed them up as well. So when and where exactly are the wins that have so impressed you about the Russians? Because they are willing to endure anything and fight in massive waves of wasted lives and brutish apathy. Stalingrad is impressive to you?

I could write 50 pages right now on the evolution of the Mujahideen in Afghanistan right up until Ronnie Reagan stabbed them in the back and created bin Laden and Al Qaeda, alone. So your little snippet thoughts do annoy me tremendously.

If you think US foreign policy should be to cower to China and submit to Russian nuclear threats then maybe you should just stick to snippets. Maybe snippets are all you've got?

If China wants some then good luck trying to fight us without any oil. We can shut them down economically and militarily as we have all the cards to play. If we didn't, China would have taken Taiwan a long time ago.

As for Russia, kill Putin and offer up a couple generals for war crimes, then stab China in the back and fall back into Western favor and get all your sanctions lifted and be welcomed back to the International fold. It really is that easy.

We're about to checkmate China and they know it. All this is just prelude. Russia and China are like 2 murderers that got caught but we're only giving one the sweet deal to flip on the other. First one up gets the deal, only we're keeping one foot on China and just waiting the Russians out while Ukraine bleeds them. Not too much, but enough for us to own them like we own everything else. This is the big boys table and we're playing big boy games so spare me the snippets, son. This game isn't for you.

Faulty assumptions, hubris, and naïveté. Always a winning combination in foreign policy! And all of it hinging on the eternal status of the petrodollar.

 

[Spica Orbit]

Do you have any other easily disprovable dumb things to say?

---
Yes, you're brilliant.

 

[The-Hack]

All while NATO broke its pledge not to expand east

Can you cite that pledge with any specificity?

Where can I read it?

When and where (and by whom) was it signed?

Did you just remind yourself that you never answered my question about how
withdrawal strategy / victory conditions in
UKR???

Again, as to withdrawal, one must have invaded.

The definition of rape in Kentucky, includes the definition of penetration: “Penetration however slight.”

Should we invade Ukraine, I’ll
discuss our potential withdrawal.

Victory Conditions? Those are up to the warring parties. If forced to guess at this moment, I suspect there will be a Russian presence in some of Crimea, when the dust settles.

 

[The-Hack]

I’m not sure at this point if I’m less confident in John Calipari leading us into March, or Joe Biden leading us into WWIII.

Joe Biden wouldn’t lose 10 games with this lineup.

Spill his popcorn and Coke and trip over the mid-court stripe . . . . likely.

Calipari would have lost the war to Russia, had it been timed in 40 minutes. He would have sat on a lead with 8:00 to go.

 

[Spica Orbit]

That Biden picture is for all intents and purposes a touchdown dance. Talk about rubbing it in their faces. Our President is in a war zone completely without a US military presence. Joe is telling Putin right to his face he's as insignificant as a Russian supply line.

The message is for the guys waiting to kill Putin. What are you waiting for? We're spiking the football you clowns.

---
Good lord, surely you understand that before that old fossil Bribeden went to Ukraine that the US informed Russia, so as to deconflict his visit with any military action. You have the type of dimwitted, lowbrow "Rah-rah, USA" personality that could get the world into a full scale nuclear war.

 

[CastleRubric]

You make these little snippet posts like you're just shooting off the top of your head without much thought and they're superficial little oversights or misstatements or things you easily abandon without defending once your points are challenged. You're like some kid I'm supposed to tutor and it is a tiring exercise if you're going to continuously bring nothing to the table in terms of real substance. Are you capable of fleshing out your ideas on anything or are you permanently scattershot?

I guess you don't mean the current butt whipping the Russians are receiving in Ukraine while simultaneously being the laughing stock of the entire military world as they are completely inept at basic combat maneuvers and logistical support. They give the appearance of just making it up as they go along, almost.

So you also want to overlook Afghanistan, too? You know, where the Soviet Union collapsed? I guess that wasn't significant enough for you either? Very interesting you pointed to Vietnam as a US military failure yet completely overlooked the Russians in Afghanistan?

How about WW!!? Didn't make your list, either. The only thing that saved them from the Germans was their weather and completely not caring about how many casualties they took or how much equipment they burned through as the Germans initially chewed them up as well. So when and where exactly are the wins that have so impressed you about the Russians? Because they are willing to endure anything and fight in massive waves of wasted lives and brutish apathy. Stalingrad is impressive to you?

I could write 50 pages right now on the evolution of the Mujahideen in Afghanistan right up until Ronnie Reagan stabbed them in the back and created bin Laden and Al Qaeda, alone. So your little snippet thoughts do annoy me tremendously.

If you think US foreign policy should be to cower to China and submit to Russian nuclear threats then maybe you should just stick to snippets. Maybe snippets are all you've got?

If China wants some then good luck trying to fight us without any oil. We can shut them down economically and militarily as we have all the cards to play. If we didn't, China would have taken Taiwan a long time ago.

As for Russia, kill Putin and offer up a couple generals for war crimes, then stab China in the back and fall back into Western favor and get all your sanctions lifted and be welcomed back to the International fold. It really is that easy.

We're about to checkmate China and they know it. All this is just prelude. Russia and China are like 2 murderers that got caught but we're only giving one the sweet deal to flip on the other. First one up gets the deal, only we're keeping one foot on China and just waiting the Russians out while Ukraine bleeds them. Not too much, but enough for us to own them like we own everything else. This is the big boys table and we're playing big boy games so spare me the snippets, son. This game isn't for you.

I DO exactly that actually

I post off the top of my head - and flow a little ADHD-ish

it's also almost exact how i speak to most ppl

and I PRIZE the notion of being child-like in some things --- not childish - but enthusiastic and eyes wide as often as possible

But damn man -
Trying to have a back and forth actually angers you or something?

I realize the internet isn't always the
best media for interchange -- but you're compatible me to some bratty kid is not only
flat wrong (not my personality) --

it was also entirely unnecessary

you don't need to go there again, man
and I's appreciate it if you channel that shit somewhere else

EVERYTHING I post here is in good candor and respect to other UK folks - I come
here seeking to share stuff
and also learn stuff --- those are my only motivations

• You mentioned you thought we would easily defeat RUS

• I asked when was the last time they were easily defeated

• You mention WW2 for an unknowing reason - the USSR fought Germany but didn't lose.::if you maybe had mentioned their failed winter war where they invade Finland and regretted it / that would have made sense

And yea -- I know about Afghanistan - but that was a slog - more like Vietnam for us ..they were essentially bled dry there from about 1978-1987


So look - I'm fkking slap happy as HELL that you know how to do a damn 50'pg paper on the Mujahadeen, Soviet invasion of that fking Hell Hole and all the GD stinger missiles, heroin and goat sex that flowed throughout the land


But your taking a shot at my "snippets" of information is just GD bizarre

Its an internet chat board, man

I'm supposed to default to 50 pg pieces, citations and literature reviews ?


dude -- I HAVE worked on scientific publications and supported a LOT of technical weapons contracts -- i can
carry on a respectable conversation in that world and have read a lot of history - if i don't know so Im not just shooting off at the
hip or making's stuff up

but hey - losing your shit and bitching at me for "snippets" is unnecessary


You see us as ready and capable of destroying either / both China and Russia?

You think that the US "owns everything "?!!

And we are going to --> "continue owning everything "??

Dude - youre an ignorant arrogant
jackass - you dont see the trajectory of where we are right now in history?

And - That bullshit remark about the GD big boy table and talking down to me - like Im
your GD BOY? That shit pisses me off

That may get your stupid ass punched in person

anyone that wraps themselves in self importance and tries to grand stand THAT M'Fkking Awkwardly

- then pulls the "BOY shit" on someone who is seeking an exchange of ideas --- now you just smell like a GD low rent - empty headed grandstanding angry clown

For the record i would LOVE to see Chinas communist govt taken down

but the emerging new power base will NOT
be US based you ignorant prick - we are waning rapidly

other nations are probably celebrating our decline -

Jesus - I can't believe you just acted like my
GD Dad and told me what MFing TABLE IM SITTING AT


Go to hell, you arrogant FK

 

[CastleRubric]

Can you cite that pledge with any specificity?

Where can I read it?

When and where (and by whom) was it signed?


Again, as to withdrawal, one must have invaded.

The definition of rape it Kentucky, includes the definition of penetration: “Penetration however slight.”

Should we invade Ukraine, I’ll
discuss our potential withdrawal.

Victory Conditions? Those are up to the warring parties. If forced to guess at this moment, I suspect there will be a Russian presence in some of Crimea, when the dust settles.

hey Hack

I see you and will respond later man
The NATO statement was a public / media release around 1991 ish -- will try to cite that later

Lets establish "NATO forces" as the
basis for 'we' im this conversation

So sending NATO weapons and soldiers to train the UKR forces on them would constitute our being in theater, actively involving in the war
and qualifying as a legitimate target for the opposition

THAT has already happened

Both Russia & NATO SG have acknowledged this if Im not mistaken - so where do we go fm here?

Russia ISNT going to back down fm NATO
in Ukraine - do we stay involved and escalate?

A lot depends on whether or not one
side (NATO or RUS) decides to directly strike the other or not

I WILL respond more later but have to run for
mow, man

I just spent WAY too much time losing my shit in another post --

peace

 

[The-Hack]

So sending NATO weapons and soldiers to train the UKR forces on them would constitute our being in theater, actively involving in the war
and qualifying as a legitimate target for the opposition

“The rules” on this have been followed since the Korean “Conflict,” and were followed during Viet Nam and Afghanistan (1980’s).

One power sticks it’s finger in the light socket; the other makes sure there is plenty of current.

Soviet pilots actually flew in North Korea, but did not cross into the territory controlled by us or the ROK’s, so as to preserve deniability.

We are in daily contact with the Russians on a “special line,” to avoid trip falls and errors that could lead to escalation.

Frankly, the Soviets invented war-by-proxy in Korea, perfected it in Viet Nam, and we learned the same song when they invaded Afghanistan, and then their “Russian” successors invaded Ukraine.

I’ll be interested in seeing that writing or agreement not to expand NATO!!!

[I found a great discussion of this “agreement” and it is as I remembered: verbal discussions, without a writing that were never approved by NATO. Some have said NATO’s Eastward expansion violates “the spirit” of the conversations of the era, but that can hardly be compared to Russia’s blatant disregard of its written assurances of Ukrainian autonomy (Crimea included) upon Ukraine’s surrender of its nuclear stockpile.]

 

[OnUK]

Just pure evil:

 

[OnUK]

 

[entropy13]

hey Hack

I see you and will respond later man
The NATO statement was a public / media release around 1991 ish -- will try to cite that later

Good to see you back in this thread, Wyvern, even if we don't see eye-to-eye sometimes. I know I'm not "The Hack" but I most certainly am "a hack."

Anyway, I'm gonna have to say nerpity-nerp-nerp on the "no NATO expansion eastward" idea.

https://hls.harvard.edu/today/there-was-no-promise-not-to-enlarge-nato/

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-f...ato-promise-not-to-enlarge-gorbachev-says-no/

After the end of the Cold War, you may recall that prior to expanding, NATO had the "Partnership for Peace" program with former Warsaw Pact and even some post-Soviet states. Russia itself was part of this program, and there was even some heady talk of it joining NATO, although realistically that would never be workable due to huge differences in force structure, doctrine, etc. Anyway, PfP morphed into a stepping stone for eventual NATO membership for many of the countries. The only agreement about NATO troops not being deployed further eastward was limited to former East German territory. That might be what you're thinking of. Anything further is a fiction created by Putin to further his propaganda/rhetoric

 

[entropy13]

For the record i would LOVE to see Chinas communist govt taken down

but the emerging new power base will NOT
be US based you ignorant prick - we are waning rapidly

other nations are probably celebrating our decline -

I think the USA's decline is greatly exaggerated. I mean, we've essentially been in *relative* decline vis-a-vis the rest of the world since our position of primacy after WW2, but that was mainly b/c Europe was being reconstructed after complete devastation and the 3rd world had even more catching up to do. Regardless, our network of alliances, and cultivating new ones along the way, first Japan and S. Korea, and now extending to greatly increased cooperation at all levels with India (even if not a formal alliance, they're still in the Quad and there's extensive military collaboration).

The good ol' USA is hugely geographically privileged, and our aforementioned network of allies acts as a force multiplier and gives a large amount of influence and flexibility around the world.

 

[OnUK]

 

[JumperJack]

One power sticks it’s finger in the light socket; the other makes sure there is plenty of current.

A+ for imagery.

 

[vhcat70]

Honestly I wasn't trying to play "gotcha" - that's just not something I ever do really -

More or less just trying to get a basic profile on who Im talking to - Im here to learn as much as share & I know there are plenty of qualified professionals on this board in addition to straight forward KY- peoples

Thats all - no other angle here

Back to Russia:

1) When was the last time anyone rolled over them militarily? Napoleon maybe?

The Red Russians.

 

[vhcat70]

Open question to the good people here who
support our military intervention in UKR

Given the incessant demands for
weapons - and the continual upgrading to bigger / more powerful arms


Is there a logical limit you believe we shouldn't apply?

Is there a point where you draw

a red line and say NO, LITTLE SLAVIC MAN!' You CAN NOT HAVE a Hydrogen's Bomb!

Our military isn't intervening in Ukraine. Our government, not our military, is giving aid, not intervening.

When it's apparent Ukraine can't succeed. But, I think we should put a $ requirement on the rest of NATO, and soon, saying we'll stop if you collectively don't meet that number. If we're in for $110B, the rest of NATO ought to be too. But it's not.

 

[Spica Orbit]

US the biggest loser

 

[LOL_Man]

I DO exactly that actually

I post off the top of my head - and flow a little ADHD-ish

it's also almost exact how i speak to most ppl

and I PRIZE the notion of being child-like in some things --- not childish - but enthusiastic and eyes wide as often as possible

But damn man -
Trying to have a back and forth actually angers you or something?

I realize the internet isn't always the
best media for interchange -- but you're compatible me to some bratty kid is not only
flat wrong (not my personality) --

it was also entirely unnecessary

you don't need to go there again, man
and I's appreciate it if you channel that shit somewhere else

EVERYTHING I post here is in good candor and respect to other UK folks - I come
here seeking to share stuff
and also learn stuff --- those are my only motivations

• You mentioned you thought we would easily defeat RUS

• I asked when was the last time they were easily defeated

• You mention WW2 for an unknowing reason - the USSR fought Germany but didn't lose.::if you maybe had mentioned their failed winter war where they invade Finland and regretted it / that would have made sense

And yea -- I know about Afghanistan - but that was a slog - more like Vietnam for us ..they were essentially bled dry there from about 1978-1987


So look - I'm fkking slap happy as HELL that you know how to do a damn 50'pg paper on the Mujahadeen, Soviet invasion of that fking Hell Hole and all the GD stinger missiles, heroin and goat sex that flowed throughout the land


But your taking a shot at my "snippets" of information is just GD bizarre

Its an internet chat board, man

I'm supposed to default to 50 pg pieces, citations and literature reviews ?


dude -- I HAVE worked on scientific publications and supported a LOT of technical weapons contracts -- i can
carry on a respectable conversation in that world and have read a lot of history - if i don't know so Im not just shooting off at the
hip or making's stuff up

but hey - losing your shit and bitching at me for "snippets" is unnecessary


You see us as ready and capable of destroying either / both China and Russia?

You think that the US "owns everything "?!!

And we are going to --> "continue owning everything "??

Dude - youre an ignorant arrogant
jackass - you dont see the trajectory of where we are right now in history?

And - That bullshit remark about the GD big boy table and talking down to me - like Im
your GD BOY? That shit pisses me off

That may get your stupid ass punched in person

anyone that wraps themselves in self importance and tries to grand stand THAT M'Fkking Awkwardly

- then pulls the "BOY shit" on someone who is seeking an exchange of ideas --- now you just smell like a GD low rent - empty headed grandstanding angry clown

For the record i would LOVE to see Chinas communist govt taken down

but the emerging new power base will NOT
be US based you ignorant prick - we are waning rapidly

other nations are probably celebrating our decline -

Jesus - I can't believe you just acted like my
GD Dad and told me what MFing TABLE IM SITTING AT


Go to hell, you arrogant FK

That's the spirit. Kind of. The part about insinuating you'd punch me shows the naive immaturity in you that I suspected all along. No matter what you wouldn't fight me so just leave that right there, for sure. Your use of questions to deflect your ignorance and your cold pool plunges into acting like a kid when challenged on your points means something as well.

There's no there there with you. You're a juvenile contractor of some kind that has sniffed around the military but never sat at the table. Contractors aren't very high in the pecking order... kind of our service class. Errand boys and whatnot. You're a wannabe little yapping poodle that plays with toys. You remind me of the Michael Richards "Battle Boy" character from the old "Fridays" TV show:




In short, my diagnosis is daddy issues. The kind you usually see in runaway teenage girls. A garden variety immature little clown playing army man. Gotcha. It all makes sense now. You're little more than a Tik-Toc blurb because your brain choke off like the governor on a car when your synapses get overloaded. You want to say something but nothing comes out. I bet you stutter and stammer then turn red and run away. Are girls still frightening to you as well?

 

[Catemus]

US the biggest loser

Russia the biggest loser (see how easy that was?)

3 Ways Russia is Losing Big in Ukraine #ukrainewar

youtube.com

 

[LOL_Man]

Putin wanted to boast about Russia launching a nuclear-capable ICBM — but the launch failed so he couldn't, report says

• A recent Russian test launch of its Sarmat missile appears to have failed, two US officials told CNN.
• Had it worked, Vladimir Putin would likely have highlighted it in his Tuesday address, they said.
• But Putin didn't mention the Sarmat launch in his annual speech, his first since invading Ukraine.

Russian President Vladimir Putin likely planned to boast about a nuclear-missile test in his Tuesday State of the Nation address, but the launch failed, CNN reported, citing two US officials.

The Kremlin tipped off the US in advance about the planned test launch using deconfliction channels, one of the unnamed officials told the outlet.

But the test of Russia's Sarmat intercontinental ballistic missile — which has been successfully test-launched in the past — appears to have failed this time, the officials said, per CNN.

Had this latest launch been successful, Putin would have spotlighted it in his Tuesday speech, the two officials believe, CNN said.

 

[SDC888]

hey Hack

I see you and will respond later man
The NATO statement was a public / media release around 1991 ish -- will try to cite that later

Lets establish "NATO forces" as the
basis for 'we' im this conversation

So sending NATO weapons and soldiers to train the UKR forces on them would constitute our being in theater, actively involving in the war
and qualifying as a legitimate target for the opposition

THAT has already happened

Both Russia & NATO SG have acknowledged this if Im not mistaken - so where do we go fm here?

Russia ISNT going to back down fm NATO
in Ukraine - do we stay involved and escalate?

A lot depends on whether or not one
side (NATO or RUS) decides to directly strike the other or not

I WILL respond more later but have to run for
mow, man

I just spent WAY too much time losing my shit in another post --

peace

Don't do that man! Though I did get a pretty good chuckle reading that over my morning coffee, thanks!

Also, revisionist history is part and parcel to wartime propaganda.

 

[Spica Orbit]

Russia the biggest loser (see how easy that was?)

3 Ways Russia is Losing Big in Ukraine #ukrainewar

youtube.com

---
You mean there are two ways (or more) of looking at things? Golly gee willikers!

 

[Catemus]

---
You mean there are two ways (or more) of looking at things? Golly gee willikers!

Yep.

Winning team - Ukraine
Losing team - Russia
Winning team - Ukraine
Losing team - Russia
Winning team - Ukraine
Losing team - Russia
Winning team - Ukraine
Losing team - Russia
Winning team - Ukraine
Losing team - Russia
Winning team - Ukraine
Losing team - Russia

 

[CastleRubric]

Quick post and gotta run

You guys probably already know about the Oak Ridge fire / incident that occurred about 4-5
hours ago

It definitely is real & it definitely involved uranium

All published facing channels are reporting that it was contained

Given the amazing string of coincidental train derailments and HAZMAT related industrial explosions occurring within the past -- 5-7
days ----> please have this one on your
radar

I think most everyone here understands the scope and magnitude of the operations at the Y12. complex down there - you know it isn't small and it isn't insignificant just
because its fairly rural

Heres a link to local news that mentions the event and shares a hotline--# they're using for coordinating updates - share as you feel led to

****IF**** a major incident were to happen there you may not immediately be aware of it but if you live in this region -- please take any subsequent updates that may involve critical failures , breached containment (etc) // please interpret THAT as a sign to address whatever contingency plans you may have

(go to family?
leave the area? address resources? --> whatever)

 

[CastleRubric]

For anyone who may live within the near-region of Richmond and the Arsenal / Disposal operations there --- please just keep in mind that that place is another example of a sensitive location featuring highly toxic and unstable materials

They have had minor leaks before - but if an evacuation were to happen / I do know that that southern most interstate exit that SAYS Richmond - but also says Lancaster I believe (?) -- thats the official evacuation route that would be used for BGAD


Theres a lot of - uncertainty right now & I deeply dislike the idea that something MAY happen and the people of this region weren't informed or protected

Hope that makes sense /

 

[jameslee32]

Over 1,000 Companies Have Curtailed Operations in Russia—But Some Remain

som.yale.edu

 

[bcw1029]

Quick post and gotta run

You guys probably already know about the Oak Ridge fire / incident that occurred about 4-5
hours ago

It definitely is real & it definitely involved uranium

All published facing channels are reporting that it was contained

Given the amazing string of coincidental train derailments and HAZMAT related industrial explosions occurring within the past -- 5-7
days ----> please have this one on your
radar

I think most everyone here understands the scope and magnitude of the operations at the Y12. complex down there - you know it isn't small and it isn't insignificant just
because its fairly rural

Heres a link to local news that mentions the event and shares a hotline--# they're using for coordinating updates - share as you feel led to

****IF**** a major incident were to happen there you may not immediately be aware of it but if you live in this region -- please take any subsequent updates that may involve critical failures , breached containment (etc) // please interpret THAT as a sign to address whatever contingency plans you may have

(go to family?
leave the area? address resources? --> whatever)

Thanks Wyvern, I’m familiar with Y12. Do we know yet what exactly caused the fire?

 

[entropy13]

For anyone who may live within the near-region of Richmond and the Arsenal / Disposal operations there --- please just keep in mind that that place is another example of a sensitive location featuring highly toxic and unstable materials

They have had minor leaks before - but if an evacuation were to happen / I do know that that southern most interstate exit that SAYS Richmond - but also says Lancaster I believe (?) -- thats the official evacuation route that would be used for BGAD


Theres a lot of - uncertainty right now & I deeply dislike the idea that something MAY happen and the people of this region weren't informed or protected

Hope that makes sense /

My dad worked for most of his career at the BGAD. Thankfully, they're almost done destroying the chemical weapons that were stored there, currently supposed to finish in September 2023. I can say for certain that BGAD did a ton of outreach to the community about evacuation routes, etc.

 

[bcw1029]

The relationship between Wagner and the Russian Defense Ministry keeps getting stronger by the day! Prigozhin angrily calling out the Ministry for lack of ammunition, only getting about 20% of what it needs.

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[Marleydogg]

I'm still very confused. If Russia is losing to Ukraine, and their military is a joke (according to LOLMAN, and others) why do they also think putin will run roughshod over all of NATO in a land grab?

These two things do not reconcile. At all.

Therefore, I'm left to believe these people are idiotically stupid human beings.

 

[Wildcats1st]

My dad worked for most of his career at the BGAD. Thankfully, they're almost done destroying the chemical weapons that were stored there, currently supposed to finish in September 2023. I can say for certain that BGAD did a ton of outreach to the community about evacuation routes, etc.

In my youth I used to deer hunt there with my uncle. Atleast next to the depot. That place has been discussed as a disaster waiting to happen all of the 50 years of my life.

 

[RunninRichie]

Russian mercenary boss escalates row with top army brass with image of dead bodies

Russian mercenary chief Yevgeny Prigozhin took a bitter public feud with the top army brass to a new level on Wednesday, publishing a grisly image of dozens of his fighters he said had been killed after being deprived of ammunition.

www.reuters.com

"This is one of the places where the bodies of those who have died are gathered," Prigozhin told a prominent Russian military blogger in an interview.

"These are guys who died yesterday because of so-called shell hunger. Mothers, wives and children will get their bodies. There should be five times less (dead). Who is guilty that they died? The guilty ones are those who should have resolved the question of us getting enough ammo."

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In another move likely to infuriate the top army brass, he released a copy of what he said was Wagner's official request to the defence ministry for ammunition with detailed tallies of shells used, requested and received - though he said he had blanked out sensitive data such as the names of the shells.

"They're still not giving us ammo. No steps to give us ammo have been taken," said Prigozhin, saying that Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu, a close ally of President Vladimir Putin, and Valery Gerasimov, the chief of the General Staff, were withholding their signatures from shell approval forms.

Neither man has publicly responded to Prigozhin's criticism in the past.

Prigozhin, a wealthy catering tycoon and ex-convict, has assumed a more public role since the war started. But he has faced push back from the authorities in recent weeks amid some signs of a move by the Kremlin and defence ministry to curb his growing influence.

On Wednesday, he said he had launched a social media campaign to try to secure the shells and that Wagner had been reduced to begging military warehouses for ammunition, which he said was sometimes successful.

Despite the purported shortage, he said his fighters would keep trying to overrun Ukraine's Bakhmut.

"Twice as many of us are going to die that's all, until there are none of us left," he said.

"And when Wagner are all dead then (Defence Minister) Shoigu and (General) Gerasimov will probably have to pick up a gun."

 

[Catemus]

I'm still very confused. If Russia is losing to Ukraine, and their military is a joke (according to LOLMAN, and others) why do they also think putin will run roughshod over all of NATO in a land grab?

These two things do not reconcile. At all.

Therefore, I'm left to believe these people are idiotically stupid human beings.

No one thinks Russia will be grabbing anyone’s land after Ukraine exposed them as a second-rate economy and having a woeful, corrupt military. Actually, Russia may be the country from which others grab land. I’m sure Japan wants the Kuril Islands back, Georgia wants South Ossetia returned and Finland may retake the 10% of its territory lost to Russia in 1939. Also, Germany or Poland may have eyes on Kaliningrad. The days of Russia’s bullying are over.

“Therefore, I'm left to believe these people are idiotically stupid human beings.”
Well, you’re a poopoohead

 

[hmt5000]

Watched it 3X. Yet to see a gun. Yet to know why they are apprehending him. You understand Ukrainian?

It's press gangs. Men that aren't signing up to fight are being rounded up on the street and forced to fight. Videos like this all over the west of Ukraine. They need meat for the eastern front and those dudes in uni's aren't going.