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The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)

It's about time. Thanks.

I hear those videos to say the West was surprised at the volumes needed & supplies in U & at home have run down, but key, very key, supplies are being ramped up. Net, don't hear from that that there's a long term issue.
So the fact that none of them have officially started ramping up isn't an issue? As long as the people who have skimped on defense spending the last 20 years decide to do an about face in the middle of a horrible economy and massive immigration crisis... we are all good. LOL. that is called wishful thinking. There was a whole lot of talking but outside of Poland, Estonia and Romania there is very little action on increasing production of anything.
 
One other thing

Anyone recall the military alliance Russia and China signed (i THINK about a year ago?)

They specifically agreed to cooperate in matters of foreign threats and conflict

So if the US does what they're HINTING at doing and opens up direct conflict against Russian targets, cities and people

That absolutely brings China into the fight as well

It's sloppy, shameful and incredibly unnecessary to continue waging bullshit imperial wars like this --

I do wish ALL YALL well though
Don’t believe China wants to fight against its #1 cash cow.
 
Isn't it the exact opposite? We are funding the fascist government who was attacking a group based solely on ethnic/nationalistic roots...

We need to agree that the war in Ukraine started in 2014. If we don't admit that then we are just playing make believe.
Yes, Russia paramilitary invaded eastern Ukraine in 2014 & that limited conflict stayed that way till Putin's military proper invaded full force a year ago. That move was enormous compared to what he had there earlier.

No, it's not the exact opposite. No, Ukraine wasn't defending itself & trying to recover its territory due to the makeup of the humans there.
 
So the fact that none of them have officially started ramping up isn't an issue? As long as the people who have skimped on defense spending the last 20 years decide to do an about face in the middle of a horrible economy and massive immigration crisis... we are all good. LOL. that is called wishful thinking. There was a whole lot of talking but outside of Poland, Estonia and Romania there is very little action on increasing production of anything.
I heard military production is being ramped up across NATO. No idea what "officially" means to you in this context.
 
I heard military production is being ramped up across NATO. No idea what "officially" means to you in this context.
I have decided to date Megan Fox. I'm not officially dating her but I said that I was... You see the difference right? The fact is that only 3 countries are actually ramping up production and everyone else is waiting to see if Ukraine survives the spring to decide if they are going to go further into debt for this war.
 
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The fact is that only 3 countries are actually ramping up production and everyone else is waiting to see if Ukraine survives the spring to decide if they are going to go further into debt for this war.
I can't find data beyond your videos that confirm or refute your three countries claim. I agree that saying you will increase your defense budget is meaningless.
 
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Parody account or not, this may be the single most astoundingly stupid thing I've read on this site & considering this site, that's really saying something. You do realize that political will & military power go hand in hand, don't you? You can drop all of the bombs you want, but if you don't have the political will to win, then you've lost. And the US lost in Vietnam.....badly.
US lost 59,000 troops. The N. Vietnamese lost over 900,000 with another 2 million civilian casualties. That is a resounding military victory on the battlefield.

US had a little over 300k wounded while the N. Vietnamese had well over 3 times that number.

The United States did not lose a single major military battle in the entire Vietnam War. None. Including the 1968 "Tet Offensive" the press likes to crow about.

The United States did not lose nor give up any ground nor any major strategic objectives in any battle in the Vietnam War.

The United States lost because the United States left. Not because we were defeated on the battlefield.

The point here we are discussing is the MILITARY fighting capability, not political will or press coverage. Of course you do the usual hillbilly laughing schtick as how else are you going to respond to completely having your point decimated?

Russia would face the same exact fate in the same exact way that Iraq did if they engaged the United States in conventional war. Any Russian unit that advanced would be immediately cut off from its supply lines and destroyed. All remaining forces would have to stand in defensive formations and face the full wrath of our vastly superior firepower. The only assets remaining would have to be cowering underground or dispersed into the civilian population. No military on earth can stand toe to toe with the United States and survive a conventional confrontation. Period.
 
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US lost 59,000 troops. The N. Vietnamese lost over 900,000 with another 2 million civilian casualties. That is a resounding military victory on the battlefield.

US had a little over 300k wounded while the N. Vietnamese had well over 3 times that number.

The United States did not lose a single major military battle in the entire Vietnam War. None. Including the 1968 "Tet Offensive" the press likes to crow about.

The United States did not lose nor give up any ground nor any major strategic objectives in any battle in the Vietnam War.

The United States lost because the United States left. Not because we were defeated on the battlefield.

The point here we are discussing is the MILITARY fighting capability, not political will or press coverage. Of course you do the usual hillbilly laughing schtick as how else are you going to respond to completely having your point decimated?

Russia would face the same exact fate in the same exact way that Iraq did if they engaged the United States in conventional war. Any Russian unit that advanced would be immediately cut off from its supply lines and destroyed. All remaining forces would have to stand in defensive formations and face the full wrath of our vastly superior firepower. The only assets remaining would have to be cowering underground or dispersed into the civilian population. No military on earth can stand toe to toe with the United States and survive a conventional confrontation. Period.
You are ignoring the political will to stay in the fight. Nobody in America is into this fight except for a bunch of neocons and corrupt politicians. If we lose men and a couple jets the country would turn and the losses would be for nothing. You realize the people who closed Bahgram and sat encircled in Kabul airport are still in charge right? The people that sacrificed 13 Americans, and then killed a dad and his 3 kids as payback, to then just drop it like a hs girlfriend... that is who is still in charge.

Patton isn't walking through that door my man. Milley wants to understand white rage... he doesn't have time to prepare an army for total war.
 
People get caught up in "X has this many tanks and this many planes" but they fail to understand the cohesion needed in applying those assets and the logistics to support them. That is the key to our overwhelming advantage. Better men, better troops, better technology, better tactics, better cohesion, the best logistics.

That's a wrap.
 
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Thanks to our help, USSR turned the tide against Hitler before we had troop one in Europe. But it was our aid that allowed it. Good analogy to today's Russia War.
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The Red Army suffered some early defeats, but after Georgy Zhukov took charge, they turned into a massive & very capable force. Ultimately, the Red Army would have defeated Nazi Germany whether the US intervened in the war or not.
 
You are ignoring the political will to stay in the fight. Nobody in America is into this fight except for a bunch of neocons and corrupt politicians. If we lose men and a couple jets the country would turn and the losses would be for nothing. You realize the people who closed Bahgram and sat encircled in Kabul airport are still in charge right? The people that sacrificed 13 Americans, and then killed a dad and his 3 kids as payback, to then just drop it like a hs girlfriend... that is who is still in charge.

Patton isn't walking through that door my man. Milley wants to understand white rage... he doesn't have time to prepare an army for total war.
You're ignoring that I repeatedly say this example is NOT about political will. We are only discussing the military results on the battlefield. Period.
 
You're ignoring that I repeatedly say this example is NOT about political will. We are only discussing the military results on the battlefield. Period.
No.. you are suggesting a series of events that lead to escalation. Escalation leads to US troops dying and our jets getting shot down. Then the avg American decides "its too hard and I don't want to lose wifi"... so we then pull out for nothing.
 
You're ignoring that I repeatedly say this example is NOT about political will. We are only discussing the military results on the battlefield. Period.
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That's now become the dumbest thing I've seen on this board. It doesn't matter how many battles you win it only matters who has the fortitude to stomach the fight to the end. The US clearly doesn't have that fortitude because we've lost every military intervention since Korea. Those are the facts & if you can't accept them, we'll, there is probably a position or twenty open in Washington DC. Maybe Lloyd "Lockheed" Austin could help you out.
 
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I don't know why I bother discussing things with chimpanzees. They just go round and round with their big smiley faces losing every point and not being fazed in the slightest by it. It's like one little dummy head pops up and you hit it with a hammer then up pops another equally stupid one grinning all the way.
 
I don't know why I bother discussing things with chimpanzees. They just go round and round with their big smiley faces losing every point and not being fazed in the slightest by it. It's like one little dummy head pops up and you hit it with a hammer then up pops another equally stupid one grinning all the way.
Back to insults instead of providing actual arguments for why this is in our national interest and how nato is prepared to see this to the end.... Weird.
 
Isn't it the exact opposite? We are funding the fascist government who was attacking a group based solely on ethnic/nationalistic roots...

We need to agree that the war in Ukraine started in 2014. If we don't admit that then we are just playing make believe.
That’s the lie but the truth is that Luhansk and Donetsk are not populated by Russian speakers exclusively. Ethnic Ukrainians have significant presences in both oblasts.

The real reason Russia invaded wasn’t to rescue ethnic Russians but to take over these industrial and mining regions. Same with Crimea except the reason here is simply that Putin wanted it.

Ethnic Russians migrated to Ukraine, and other nations during the days of the USSR. They could return to Russia any time but Putin is using their manufactured “oppression” as an excuse to grab land and resources, and the sunny beaches of Crimea.

He tried the same thing in Kazakhstan in January of 2022 when there were disturbances between Russian emigrants and ethnic Kazakhs but China warned him that they would not allow the invasion of Kazakhstan or any other Central Asian former socialist republic. Putin’s balls shriveled up and he slunk away. China and Russia may be “friends” but China is definitely the top in that relationship.
 
Can one of you military experts please explain to me why our billions of dollars of aide to Ukraine to defeat the Russians should include paying for Ukrainian social services programs including pensions?

TIA
The US is holding a sizable kitty ($300 billion) of frozen Russian assets that Ukraine can claim in the World Court after the conflict is concluded. Europe has approximately $250 billion. It can be said that Russia is funding Ukraine’s resistance to their invasion to the tune of half a trillion dollars.
 
I don't know why I bother discussing things with chimpanzees. They just go round and round with their big smiley faces losing every point and not being fazed in the slightest by it. It's like one little dummy head pops up and you hit it with a hammer then up pops another equally stupid one grinning all the way.


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The US is holding a sizable kitty ($300 billion) of frozen Russian assets that Ukraine can claim in the World Court after the conflict is concluded. Europe has approximately $250 billion. It can be said that Russia is funding Ukraine’s resistance to their invasion to the tune of half a trillion dollars.
Ok. But that has absolutely nothing to do with the POTUS, in a speech explaining why we need to send more billions to Ukraine to defeat the Russians, said that current US tax dollars will be used for those social programs I mentioned earlier including pensions. Correct? Unless that sizeable kitty is being saved to reimburse the US for the billions we sent to Ukraine...which it isn’t.

So again I say...from a military strategic perspective...how exactly is current US tax payer funds paying for Ukrainian pensions helping to defeat the Russian army in an expeditious manner? My guess is that the money earmarked for such things will wind up right back here in American elite pockets. Guarantee you that money will never be tracked.

Also, how’s the audit going? You know, the one that is supposed to track the billions we have already sent to Ukraine. Truth is we have no idea where all of that money has gone...and we never will.
 
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Ok. But that has absolutely nothing to do with the POTUS, in a speech explaining why we need to send more billions to Ukraine to defeat the Russians, said that current US tax dollars will be used for those social programs I mentioned earlier including pensions. Correct? Unless that sizeable kitty is being saved to reimburse the US for the billions we sent to Ukraine...which it isn’t.

So again I say...from a military strategic perspective...how exactly is current US tax payer funds paying for Ukrainian pensions helping to defeat the Russian army in an expeditious manner? My guess is that the money earmarked for such things will wind up right back here in American elite pockets. Guarantee you that money will never be tracked.

Also, how’s the audit going? You know, the one that is supposed to track the billions we have already sent to Ukraine. Truth is we have no idea where all of that money has gone...and we never will.
Do you have a link to that speech?
 
Hersh again, huh? He's turned into a babbling conspiracy theorist in his old age. Dont you tire of his anonymous sources and the "I know people " bs?
Who blew up nord stream? Someone did? Which country was it?

Why is Ukraine now only getting 50 leopard tanks? That may be a high estimate. By late April now.

Why is China sending Russia what it needs to build its guidance systems? Why is china potentially going to sell arms to Russia?

The answer is the world is not what you guys think it is. Europe has trepidation of going much further. China has always been with Russia regardless of what people in this thread have stated. And now it’s clear who blew up nordstream and the international backlash that’s soon to follow. Things are not looking up.
 
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Who blew up nord stream? Someone did? Which country was it?

Why is Ukraine now only getting 50 leopard tanks? That may be a high estimate. By late April now.

Why is China sending Russia what it needs to build its guidance systems? Why is china potentially going to sell arms to Russia?

The answer is the world is not what you guys think it is. Europe has trepidation of going much further. China has always been with Russia regardless of what people in this thread have stated. And now it’s clear who blew up nordstream and the international backlash that’s soon to follow. Things are not looking up.
Russia blew it up most likely. Give me a shred of proof we did it. You 100% cannot. I dont buy into anonymous sources, especially a single one. China is only with Russia so long as it benefits them. No further. Some people in Europe do feel that way but their leaders, in general, do not.

Leopard or leopard 2 tanks? Either way I dont think you're correct.
 
Russia blew it up most likely. Give me a shred of proof we did it. You 100% cannot. I dont buy into anonymous sources, especially a single one. China is only with Russia so long as it benefits them. No further. Some people in Europe do feel that way but their leaders, in general, do not.

Leopard or leopard 2 tanks? Either way I dont think you're correct.


China is all in with Russia. They’ve been running joint operations in the pacific for decades. Things are not looking up and Putin is still there.
 


China is all in with Russia. They’ve been running joint operations in the pacific for decades. Things are not looking up and Putin is still there.
I know about Netherlands and Denmark, it remains to be seen what the rest of Europe does.

Again, China only cares about China. The fact that they run joint missions doesn't necessarily mean anything else.
 
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I think we've found out who's running that LOL parody account. It's The Hack!
Funniest thing about lolman is that he is in the climate change thread saying climate is the biggest threat to humanity and we must weaken ourselves to save the planet while being on this thread talking about how dynamic our economy is and how great our manufacturing is. It's like he is incapable of seeing that one directly hurts our ability to do the other so he just pretends it has no effect.
 
Russia blew it up most likely. Give me a shred of proof we did it. You 100% cannot. I dont buy into anonymous sources, especially a single one. China is only with Russia so long as it benefits them. No further. Some people in Europe do feel that way but their leaders, in general, do not.

Leopard or leopard 2 tanks? Either way I dont think you're correct.
What possible reason would Russia have to blow up their own pipeline? They could simply turn off the valve and leave the pipeline there as a negotiating point for Germany and others. If they blew it up they took away the leverage they had while energy prices spike in Europe. Germans paying 5X more on energy this winter might have been more likely to force a deal if Russia could turn the spicket back on.
 
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