The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)
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Not if we declare drug cartels terrorist organizations which Mexico and the Cartels desperately do not want. Very dangerous proposition that could cause the violence to cross the border. We have millions of illegal aliens in our country. Hostilities breaking out between the US and Mexico could result in unimaginable violence in many of our large cities. A security nightmare. Mexico is wholly "owned" for all intents and purposes by the cartels. Silver or lead is a real thing.
So we have our stalemate. Keep the violence south of the border and we don't declare cartels terrorist organizations and sic our military on them instead of the FBI/DEA.
Trump came very close to declaring Cartels terrorist organizations but he was talked out of it. Bills like HR2600 have been proposed for many years now and they just sit there like a warning to the Cartels and they listen because a Seal team operating at 4am in nightvision is a helluva lot worse to deal with than snitches and the DEA.
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So you want us to invade a sovereign nation without them requesting it? Is that correct?
The technology, equipment and resources necessary to get Russia oil to market is taking the biggest bite out of the 5% cut. Putin apologists will echo the Russia narrative of course.
www.politico.eu
Russia announces oil production cut in response to sanctions
Moscow is reducing output by 500,000 barrels per day.
Any advance notice to Mexico would be like telling the cartels directly.
I think the status quo is best. It is not good and means a lot of nasty crap is going to happen, but people are getting their heads cut off right across the border. We don't want that here.
The intelligence was significant enough to cause Donald Trump to not do it. Every time we take out a drug lord the violence goes ballistic. It's why something that sounds so appealing as declaring these murderers terrorists but we sensibly balk at doing it.
At some point we will be forced to. Many publicly available intelligence estimates say the US military's war of the future will be with Latin American drug cartels not Russians or Chinese soldiers.
Looks like all that Russian money funneled into the Republican party via the NRA since the 80s is still paying off handsomely as the Republicans have been working hard to change public opinion as Vladimir hangs on hoping they come through for him:
Ukraine aid support softens in the US: AP-NORC Poll
Forty-eight percent say they favor the U.S. providing weapons to Ukraine, with 29% opposed and 22% saying they’re neither in favor nor opposed. In May 2022, less than three months into the war, 60% of U.S. adults said they were in favor of sending Ukraine weapons.
Americans are about evenly divided on sending government funds directly to Ukraine, with 37% in favor and 38% opposed, with 23% saying neither. The signs of diminished support for Ukraine come as President Joe Biden is set to travel to Poland next week to mark the first anniversary of the biggest conflict in Europe since World War II.
“I am sympathetic for Ukraine's situation and I feel badly for them, but I feel like we need to first take care of priorities here at home,” said Joe Hernandez, 44, of Rocklin, California.
Hernandez, a Republican, added that it's difficult to support generous U.S. spending on military and economic assistance to Ukraine when many American communities don't have the resources to deal with the ramifications of migrants crossing into the U.S. at the southern border, a rise in drug overdoses caused by fentanyl and other lab-produced synthetic opioids, and a homelessness crisis in his state.
Ukraine aid support softens in the US: AP-NORC Poll
Forty-eight percent say they favor the U.S. providing weapons to Ukraine, with 29% opposed and 22% saying they’re neither in favor nor opposed. In May 2022, less than three months into the war, 60% of U.S. adults said they were in favor of sending Ukraine weapons.
Americans are about evenly divided on sending government funds directly to Ukraine, with 37% in favor and 38% opposed, with 23% saying neither. The signs of diminished support for Ukraine come as President Joe Biden is set to travel to Poland next week to mark the first anniversary of the biggest conflict in Europe since World War II.
“I am sympathetic for Ukraine's situation and I feel badly for them, but I feel like we need to first take care of priorities here at home,” said Joe Hernandez, 44, of Rocklin, California.
Hernandez, a Republican, added that it's difficult to support generous U.S. spending on military and economic assistance to Ukraine when many American communities don't have the resources to deal with the ramifications of migrants crossing into the U.S. at the southern border, a rise in drug overdoses caused by fentanyl and other lab-produced synthetic opioids, and a homelessness crisis in his state.
Not only did they complain because the first one wasn't shot down, then they complained again after it was shot down because they waited until it drifted over water. Such is the constant narrative emulating from your party.
They’re killing thousands of our people, maybe tens of thousands. They’re feeding violence and abusing migrants. They are FAR more of a threat to us than Russia is at the moment. Not to derail the thread but how can gang violence here be any worse than thousands of fentanyl deaths?
Sale on tin foil, it seems. You have some evidence of that?
You're talking to a guy that has been saying Mexico is the greatest global threat to the United States oh, for about 20 years now.
We have a built in insurgency in place by the millions. Ever see a US/Mexico soccer game? Go to any large US city and look at the number of Mexican flags waving around. Now imagine a true international crisis between the US and Mexico where cities burn and Mexican nationals can just step out of their door and kill Americans then blend right back in.
Familiarity has made Americans fail to comprehend what a formidable foe we would have domestically on our hands with Mexico. Obviously our military could raze their whole country in a day, but this wouldn't be that kind of war. It would be Iran/Afghanistan on steroids domestically with ripe targets at their leisure.
You average American does not understand the hate fueled for American by Mexican elites. They blame us for everything. They're like our Maga. Completely irrational and experts at demagaugery.
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Have you been paying any attention at all to what insurgency warfare looks like?
Well to be fair you know more about everything than any of us, amirite?
It's not what I know as we basically both have access to the same information. It is my ability to grasp and comprehend complex subjects whereas you and many like you struggle at a more primitive level intellectually.
Take your hate against Mexican-Americans and place it right with your lust for World War 3. Why can't you just be happy with life, instead of advocating hatred and war? You must be one miserable bastard.
He's a genius. He believe that our Mexican citizens and non-citizen immigrants are an ISIS waiting to happen, because, like, they still cheer for Mexico over the USA in a soccer game. He believes that the barrios of America are potential incubators for the next Bin Laden.
Funny thing to think I hate Mexicans when I married one.
You're allowing your assumptions to cloud your critical thinking. A basic mistake for the modestly intelligent. I understand.
I've travelled extensively in Mexico. I know its very fine people and culture very well. There would be few people not from Mexico with a better understanding of it than myself going back all the way to the early 80s.
Yes, it does.
Mexican Universities blame America for everything. The cultural elite of Mexico are solidly anti-American. The politics and money follow closely.
Contrast that with hardworking lower middle class Mexicans that still love and dream of America. It is a split country of contrasts, but the seething jealously and hatred for America have been carefully cultivated and as a result are very dangerous.
Mexican Universities blame America for everything. The cultural elite of Mexico are solidly anti-American. The politics and money follow closely.
Contrast that with hardworking lower middle class Mexicans that still love and dream of America. It is a split country of contrasts, but the seething jealously and hatred for America have been carefully cultivated and as a result are very dangerous.
Hes whored his way to the money. Idk what part of that @vhcat70 doesnt understand.
You never answered me, where in your article did it say we were backing off our support for Ukraine?
When? I linked a bunch of articles the last few days and I didn’t see your original post. But are the patriot battery’s operational? The abrams? The f-16. The dod has said we need to back off because it’s beginning to affect our stocks but let me go see.
This article?
www.yahoo.com
Then the article explains why. Can’t continue the same level means backing off. The us will continue to throw money at it in the near term but all this is building up to a ratcheting down (hopefully). Public opinion is changing too
US warns Ukraine it may not be able to continue 'same level' of support
The United States has warned that it does not have sufficient stocks of Atacms long-range missiles to send them to Ukraine, it has been reported.
US warns Ukraine it may not be able to continue 'same level' of support
Then the article explains why. Can’t continue the same level means backing off. The us will continue to throw money at it in the near term but all this is building up to a ratcheting down (hopefully). Public opinion is changing too
Support for providing weapons to Ukraine fading in US; 97% of Russian army in Ukraine: Updates
Most Americans favor some role in the war effort, but support for supplying weapons and money to Ukraine is declining, a new survey suggests.
www.usatoday.com
Yes, 1st one.This article?
US warns Ukraine it may not be able to continue 'same level' of support
The United States has warned that it does not have sufficient stocks of Atacms long-range missiles to send them to Ukraine, it has been reported.
US warns Ukraine it may not be able to continue 'same level' of support
Then the article explains why. Can’t continue the same level means backing off. The us will continue to throw money at it in the near term but all this is building up to a ratcheting down (hopefully). Public opinion is changing too
Support for providing weapons to Ukraine fading in US; 97% of Russian army in Ukraine: Updates
Most Americans favor some role in the war effort, but support for supplying weapons and money to Ukraine is declining, a new survey suggests.www.usatoday.com
Gee. I wonder why that is? Carrying all that water for Putin must be exhausting. Paying off, though. Good job, Pubs. You're earning those contributions. Maybe Vlad will award the Republicans the Russian Medal of Fealty.
-the "cultural elite" and universities in the US hate and blame everything on the US...why should Mexico be any different..worldwide for that matter.
^in general, "cultural elite" = coddled marxists*...and academics are gonna do their thing and fetishize marxism (ignoring a century of history), it's who they are (in large part).
*always in non-marxist states where they are actually free to criticize their governments.
This is a good primer on the subject:
^in general, "cultural elite" = coddled marxists*...and academics are gonna do their thing and fetishize marxism (ignoring a century of history), it's who they are (in large part).
*always in non-marxist states where they are actually free to criticize their governments.
This is a good primer on the subject:
The Velvet Prison - Haraszti, Miklos: 9780465098002 - AbeBooks
The Velvet Prison by Haraszti, Miklos - ISBN 10: 0465098002 - ISBN 13: 9780465098002 - Basic Books - 1987 - Hardcover
www.abebooks.com
I understand what he said. But that's not what you wrote. You flat stated he's pro-western. Go edit your post if you like. Or maybe you don't remember what you wrote.
You bring up a possible future, not anything that's happened yet. Net, it's speculation - and your fervent wish. No doubt you'd wet your pants over it happening.This article?
US warns Ukraine it may not be able to continue 'same level' of support
The United States has warned that it does not have sufficient stocks of Atacms long-range missiles to send them to Ukraine, it has been reported.
US warns Ukraine it may not be able to continue 'same level' of support
Then the article explains why. Can’t continue the same level means backing off. The us will continue to throw money at it in the near term but all this is building up to a ratcheting down (hopefully). Public opinion is changing too
Support for providing weapons to Ukraine fading in US; 97% of Russian army in Ukraine: Updates
Most Americans favor some role in the war effort, but support for supplying weapons and money to Ukraine is declining, a new survey suggests.www.usatoday.com
From a couple of WSJ articles today: 97% of Russia Army in/committed to Ukraine. 2000 tanks- 50% of those previously functioning - destroyed. 100-150K casualties. Ukraine losses less but not a whole lot less.
Sounds like a good time for uprisings in the Russia hinterlands.
Sounds like a good time for uprisings in the Russia hinterlands.
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It must be fascinating going through life with emotional maturity of a 4 year old. Anyone who disagrees with me is Putin Hitler lover....derp.
Here’s another
Antony Blinken 'warns Ukraine' against retaking Crimea
Antony Blinken, the US secretary of state, has warned a Ukrainian attempt to retake Crimea would be a red line for Vladimir Putin that could escalate the conflict, it has been reported.
You think these are shows of support for Ukraine? You guys say for Ukraine to take it all back. Not happening. There’s no us support for taking back Crimea now.
I wonder when Blinken gets his medal from Putin. Hey Z, do you know when? Kinda like to see that.Here’s another
Antony Blinken 'warns Ukraine' against retaking Crimea
Antony Blinken, the US secretary of state, has warned a Ukrainian attempt to retake Crimea would be a red line for Vladimir Putin that could escalate the conflict, it has been reported.
You think these are shows of support for Ukraine? You guys say for Ukraine to take it all back. Not happening. There’s no us support for taking back Crimea now.
Ukraine corruption:
"Ukraine was poor and corrupt long before Zelenskyy; there’s a very simple metric that works pretty well to work out how poor and how corrupt a country in Europe is. How long ago and how effectively did it escape Russian domination. And Europe basically divides into thirds here with most of the exceptions being on the literal border or part of the former Yugoslavia; the dividing lines are pretty clear on the map below.
Map of Europe by 2011 GDP, CC-BY-SA 3.0, via Wikipedia (numerous contributors)
At the richest and most prosperous end of the scale you have countries that have never been dominated by Russia. Britain, France, West Germany, The Netherlands, Sweden, Norway, etc. And Germany is an excellent case study here because there are two parts with only East Germany having been under Russian domination. They don’t have to have been NATO members (the Swiss, the Irish, and the Swedes aren’t for example). They need to just have not been ground down under the Russian jackboot.
The next group down is Central Europe, being mostly former Warsaw Pact countries - i.e. having mostly had puppet Russian governments up until 1990 - but having since then thoroughly rejected Russia and joined NATO. This includes Poland, Hungary, Czechia, Slovakia, and event the “Baltic States”; the three former Soviet state of Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia.
The bottom tier are those countries Russia enjoys bullying with Russia’s targets of opportunity of Moldova (with Transnistria), Georgia, Ukraine, and their client states of Serbia and Belarus. Ukraine in particular is worst off; they were fully within the USSR, weren’t able to escape Russian direct control until 1990 and when they tried to escape Russian domination in 2014 Russia didn’t like the idea that Ukraine might be prosperous and invaded. And then invaded further in 2022.
In order to have a chance to be less corrupt Ukraine needs less of Russia interfering both politically and militarily because Russia is the wellspring of corruption in Ukranian politics. Getting the Russian army out would be a good start, and humbling Russia in the process so it doesn’t try again would be a nice next step. And then joining NATO and the EU."
"Ukraine was poor and corrupt long before Zelenskyy; there’s a very simple metric that works pretty well to work out how poor and how corrupt a country in Europe is. How long ago and how effectively did it escape Russian domination. And Europe basically divides into thirds here with most of the exceptions being on the literal border or part of the former Yugoslavia; the dividing lines are pretty clear on the map below.
Map of Europe by 2011 GDP, CC-BY-SA 3.0, via Wikipedia (numerous contributors)
At the richest and most prosperous end of the scale you have countries that have never been dominated by Russia. Britain, France, West Germany, The Netherlands, Sweden, Norway, etc. And Germany is an excellent case study here because there are two parts with only East Germany having been under Russian domination. They don’t have to have been NATO members (the Swiss, the Irish, and the Swedes aren’t for example). They need to just have not been ground down under the Russian jackboot.
The next group down is Central Europe, being mostly former Warsaw Pact countries - i.e. having mostly had puppet Russian governments up until 1990 - but having since then thoroughly rejected Russia and joined NATO. This includes Poland, Hungary, Czechia, Slovakia, and event the “Baltic States”; the three former Soviet state of Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia.
The bottom tier are those countries Russia enjoys bullying with Russia’s targets of opportunity of Moldova (with Transnistria), Georgia, Ukraine, and their client states of Serbia and Belarus. Ukraine in particular is worst off; they were fully within the USSR, weren’t able to escape Russian direct control until 1990 and when they tried to escape Russian domination in 2014 Russia didn’t like the idea that Ukraine might be prosperous and invaded. And then invaded further in 2022.
In order to have a chance to be less corrupt Ukraine needs less of Russia interfering both politically and militarily because Russia is the wellspring of corruption in Ukranian politics. Getting the Russian army out would be a good start, and humbling Russia in the process so it doesn’t try again would be a nice next step. And then joining NATO and the EU."
