The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)
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Ha wtf
If any US citizens are still in Russia, I don’t think they’re the kind of people who are going to be worried about travel advisories. Time to leave was a while ago.
I don’t think we have any more international arms traffickers to trade for you assuming you’re lucky enough to be a relatively famous athlete and check multiple boxes on the minority bingo card.
Ukraine is planning a major spring offensive towards Melitopol amd Mariupol in the Spring after they get soldiers trained for the new tanks coming and after the longer range missiles from Britain arrive. They will try to hold the fort until then.
Of course, Russia is ramping up a Winter offensive by throwing more cannon fodder into fields and trenches in the eastern part of Ukraine. Their obsession with the ruined town of Bakhmut continues and they may claim it by sacrificing tens of thousands of poorly trained mobilized troops.
With blessings from the US, Britain is supplying Ukraine with longer range missiles, Challenger tanks and perhaps Typhoon jets. Ukraine has clearance from the US and UK to target Crimea in the Spring and the UK is apparently taking the lead in training soldiers and supplying the arms to Ukraine for the offensive.
The Abrams tanks won’t be available for maybe a couple of years because they’re being built for Ukraine without the top-secret uranium armor on US tanks. Both Germany and Poland are supplying Leopard 2 tanks and Germany will send 178 older Leopard 1 tanks in time for the offensive. Ukraine needs approximately 300 newer western tanks to overcome the current Russian superiority in tank firepower.
Defeating Putin and Russia in Ukraine decisively stops China in its tracks on Taiwan especially with broad global unanimity on Ukraine. China is much more sensitive to global pressure than Russia is. China has spent decades building ties around the globe that it does not want to sever. A Putin thumping in Ukraine gives time for US reengaging in the Philippines and the Japanese rearming. We need a permanent stronger regional presence in SE Asia to more directly counter China.
Both China and Russia are doomed geographically. They are faced with expanding or dying as countries. Inevitably this will lead to direct confrontation if it hasn't already started.
The biggest obstacle the US faces in countering both Russia and China is not either, it is the Republican obstruction of clear US foreign policy strategy. We can't afford to be dumb both at home and abroad. It would help a ton if the Republicans could stick to just being dumb locally.
Both China and Russia are doomed geographically. They are faced with expanding or dying as countries. Inevitably this will lead to direct confrontation if it hasn't already started.
The biggest obstacle the US faces in countering both Russia and China is not either, it is the Republican obstruction of clear US foreign policy strategy. We can't afford to be dumb both at home and abroad. It would help a ton if the Republicans could stick to just being dumb locally.
How are they gonna do that cate? You guys just throw more and more propaganda out there without any real knowledge. Ukraine is in a very precarious position. They won’t have the leopards or the capabilities for a couple months, Russia has triple the number of Ukrainian solidiers and is about to do another mobilization of possibly half a million. Ukraine will run out of soldiers well before Russia at this pace. I think the US pulling back support is a sign to zelensky to cut his losses now or face a Russian onslaught to take the nation. Once Russia takes Bakhmut nothing will stop them to take all of the east to dnipro river. Probably even Kharkiv. Although fighting there could last a couple of years. Zelensky is finally being cut off from the teet. If GB wants to waste their weapons stocks in ukraine. Good luck to them.
US warns Ukraine it may not be able to continue 'same level' of support
The United States has warned that it does not have sufficient stocks of Atacms long-range missiles to send them to Ukraine, it has been reported.
They are getting less than 20 leopard 2 and challenger tanks. They don't have ammo for the leopard 1's. What nobody wants to admit is that A-holes in DC and Europe just want to keep this fight going to hopefully crash Russia... but they aren't willing to send them the good stuff at a timely manner. They are sacrificing Ukrainians to try to get rid of Putin. They know Ukraine can't win the "war" but they could fight long enough to destablize Russia. When people like Lyndsey Graham said "I'm will to fight to the last Ukrainian"... he wasn't lying.How are they gonna do that cate? You guys just throw more and more propaganda out there without any real knowledge. Ukraine is in a very precarious position. They won’t have the leopards or the capabilities for a couple months, Russia has triple the number of Ukrainian solidiers and is about to do another mobilization of possibly half a million. Ukraine will run out of soldiers well before Russia at this pace. I think the US pulling back support is a sign to zelensky to cut his losses now or face a Russian onslaught to take the nation. Once Russia takes Bakhmut nothing will stop them to take all of the east to dnipro river. Probably even Kharkiv. Although fighting there could last a couple of years. Zelensky is finally being cut off from the teet. If GB wants to waste their weapons stocks in ukraine. Good luck to them.
US warns Ukraine it may not be able to continue 'same level' of support
The United States has warned that it does not have sufficient stocks of Atacms long-range missiles to send them to Ukraine, it has been reported.us.yahoo.com
LOL. U's killing off Russians/Wagners at 900-1000/day. You accuse him of throwing out propaganda & you do the same thing you accuse him of with your what "I think". Total BS. That we may not be able to supply as many of a particular weapon doesn't imply your fervent wish of the US is pulling back support. U has another D line behind Bakhmut. U may not have enough enough to hold off R's advances but they are way better off than a year ago.How are they gonna do that cate? You guys just throw more and more propaganda out there without any real knowledge. Ukraine is in a very precarious position. They won’t have the leopards or the capabilities for a couple months, Russia has triple the number of Ukrainian solidiers and is about to do another mobilization of possibly half a million. Ukraine will run out of soldiers well before Russia at this pace. I think the US pulling back support is a sign to zelensky to cut his losses now or face a Russian onslaught to take the nation. Once Russia takes Bakhmut nothing will stop them to take all of the east to dnipro river. Probably even Kharkiv. Although fighting there could last a couple of years. Zelensky is finally being cut off from the teet. If GB wants to waste their weapons stocks in ukraine. Good luck to them.
US warns Ukraine it may not be able to continue 'same level' of support
The United States has warned that it does not have sufficient stocks of Atacms long-range missiles to send them to Ukraine, it has been reported.
Seriously. You just made a statement then seemed to accuse someone of propaganda. Do the math on your numbers and tell me they make any sense at all.... and that's just going back 2 months. They've been fighting like this in Bahkmut since early Nov... don't do the math on that because your head will explode.
Name my statement.
Name my accusation.
Then we can discuss. As is, no idea what the h you're talking about. But that's typical with your lack of claims support.
Here:
Ukraine killing nearly 1,000 Russian troops every day, eliminates 5,000 in single battle
Ukrainian forces are killing nearly 1,000 Russian troops every day, and they eliminated 5,000 troops in a single battle in late January, according to U.K. officials.
Call it propaganda if you like.
OK. . I'll do it for you. If those are facts then you are saying that Russia has lost 540,000 to 600,000 soldiers just since the middle of Dec. Russia hasn't even put that many soldiers into the field and nobody anywhere is arguing they have. The reason you want it to be true and the reason Fox reported it, is to justify keeping the war going... "why stop if Ukraine is just months away from wiping out Russia"? Right?Name my statement.
Name my accusation.
Then we can discuss. As is, no idea what the h you're talking about. But that's typical with your lack of claims support.
Here:
Ukraine killing nearly 1,000 Russian troops every day, eliminates 5,000 in single battle
Ukrainian forces are killing nearly 1,000 Russian troops every day, and they eliminated 5,000 troops in a single battle in late January, according to U.K. officials.www.foxnews.com
Call it propaganda if you like.
If Russia is losing 10 to 1 in Bakhmut then why is Ukraine pulling out? All they have to do is keep flooding people in there and Russia will be out of soldiers by May.
So China is doomed unless it expands, but defeating Putin will keep this from happening?
Because they’ll wait for Russia to be defeated, and THEN will sit (for a few more years, ostensibly) and watch us beef up our Western Pacific strength while they die as a country?
Meanwhile, it’s the Republicans (who just took power a month ago) that are preventing Ukraine from winning a war by pouring endless amounts of borrowed money into it?
All while they foil the architect of the Afghanistan disaster, who is clearly compromised by both China and Ukraine via his crackhead son, from somehow stopping Chinese aggression. This, while he cannot even stop balloons from entering our airspace.
Your voice of reason, everyone.
Oh good grief. First, the rich don't sit on money, they invest it. The government, both parties, waste it. As a nation, we all pay too much in taxes but the rich don't need to be over taxed because of jealousy. Paul Manafort huh? You must hate the Bidens then.
We should never have stayed in Afghanistan unless we were willing to stay 40-50 years and do what needed to be done to get rid of the Taliban.
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That article did not say we were pulling back support. Where did you get that from?How are they gonna do that cate? You guys just throw more and more propaganda out there without any real knowledge. Ukraine is in a very precarious position. They won’t have the leopards or the capabilities for a couple months, Russia has triple the number of Ukrainian solidiers and is about to do another mobilization of possibly half a million. Ukraine will run out of soldiers well before Russia at this pace. I think the US pulling back support is a sign to zelensky to cut his losses now or face a Russian onslaught to take the nation. Once Russia takes Bakhmut nothing will stop them to take all of the east to dnipro river. Probably even Kharkiv. Although fighting there could last a couple of years. Zelensky is finally being cut off from the teet. If GB wants to waste their weapons stocks in ukraine. Good luck to them.
US warns Ukraine it may not be able to continue 'same level' of support
The United States has warned that it does not have sufficient stocks of Atacms long-range missiles to send them to Ukraine, it has been reported.
LMAO. Both you & Wildcat must have failed 6th grade math. Good lord. 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
LOL, nope. You must be a victim of the New Math they've been teaching in schools.
Damnedables! @vhcat70 beat me by a hair.
Like turkeys at a shooting range.
abc17news.com
'Like turkeys at a shooting range': Mauling of Russian forces in Donetsk hotspot may signal problems to come - ABC17NEWS
By Tim Lister, CNN The scenes are chaotic: Russian tanks veering wildly before exploding or driving straight into minefields, men running in every direction, some on fire, the bodies of soldiers caught in tank tracks. Russian military bloggers are calling it a fiasco, and worse. These scenes...
5000 & Wct1st will soon tell us this is propaganda without a shred of truth. But thanks anyway.
Who gives a shit anymore tbh? I mean it is what it is. A very bad situation getting worse. Ukraine having this extremely pro western president is a very bad thing for the world. It no different than if Trudeau were connected at the hip with Putin. Usa would not stand for it. It makes thing so dire and creates an insurmountable impasse. At some point Russia will say screw it. I mean if they are willing to send hundreds of thousands of their own people to slaughter what do you think they will do when backed in a corner? What about Israelis? How long are they going to sit in their ultra nationalist government how long will they sit there while Iran has enough fissile material to build multiple bombs? It’s all gonna go to shit at once. I will tell you this. Israel will not hesitate to use a nuke. We are living past the brink.
Trickle down economics has destroyed every country that has tried it. Iceland being just one catastrophic example. It's a failed theory the Republicans use to rationalize destroying the middle class.
You have a habit of dumbing down complex issues to suit your modest ability to understand them.
No, you have a habit of making completely contradictory pronouncements and then pretending they’re so smart that nobody else understands them. Like now.
It would be one thing if it were the usual nonsense but in this case, public opinion carries weight that determines what our idiot government may do next. So at least try to make sense.
Russia kidnapping, re-educating, and deporting Ukrainian children.
https://hub.conflictobservatory.org/portal/apps/sites/#/home/pages/children-camps-1
Good to know that thepeaceniks appeaseniks here in this thread are OK with this. Just let Putin have what he wants and everything will be fine, Ukrainians are just "Little Russians," the two countries are "brother nations," etc., etc.
https://hub.conflictobservatory.org/portal/apps/sites/#/home/pages/children-camps-1
Good to know that the
Yes they are, to an inhumane and intolerable level. That is a huge part of the point.
KIDS IN CAGES!!!!!
That settles it. I’m all in on nuclear war. There is no other option but continued escalation, untold more billions of dollars on top of the 100 we’ve already blown and tens of thousands of more deaths.
Denmark and the Netherlands roll back decision on transfer of Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine, reports Welt
Denmark and the Netherlands have revised their decision on the transfer of Leopard 2 battle tanks and will not deliver them to Ukraine, German newspaper Welt reported on Feb. 14, citing the governments of both countries.
All the talk is worthless about tanks and the like if they never get there.
Ukraine aid support softens in the US: AP-NORC Poll
Support among the American public for providing Ukraine weaponry and direct economic assistance has softened as the Russian invasion nears a grim one-year milestone, according to a new poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research. Forty-eight percent say they favor the...
Support for aid from the US is falling off a cliff. Notice I get these article from that Russian rag yahoo news. That far right website.
The realization that they are savages is not new. It isn’t a strong enough reason, by itself, for us to get dragged in, which is the inevitable trajectory.
THAT has been the point for a year.
If we truly believed we must take up arms or promote war in every corner where the people are inhumane, we’d have non-stop war. Inhumanity is the default human condition.
Christ, the cartels in Mexico are as evil as Putin, are killing more Americans than he could dream of, and are within easy range.
Any action there? Nope- crickets. Doesn’t that make some of you at least a LITTLE skeptical, when we hear our leaders fail to explain the moral imperative in Ukraine?
I don’t disagree except that Mexico would have to ask for our help. Thats a different situation.
