But where would their money come from? You act like they get to attack us and still get paid. Good luck with that.
The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)
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Don’t tell me what to do, Vladimir. History says that 500,000 Russian soldiers will have to die before leadership flinches.
They’re a stubborn, cold and arrogant people who regard themselves as superior to all others. So 350,000 more must die, it seems.
Yes the West must arm Ukraine to the teeth so that they can kill off the invading hordes. That’s the only way to stop this land and people grab by Putler.
It’s Putler who is risking WWIII. Direct your ire and propaganda at him.
Col Macgregor for one. The head of the EU, the German PM and Italy's PM. They all said that Ukraine were over 100,000 dead back in Nov. I have played interviews with foreign mercs who served on the frontlines for Ukraine and who said that Ukraine were losing tons more people.... you just refuse to see any negative news because it contradicts with your wants.
What is your opinion on the 9 Ukrainian officials that were just fired for stealing aid and overcharging for services and goods? It only took a year to remove these thieves from office. I wonder how many millions of our tax dollars you brag about sending over there, that these guys are enjoying?
Holy crap you are unhinged. I pray to god you never get any government power at any level. You are the exact kind of person that needs to fish for a living.
And you need to sale used cars. Customers know you’re lying but they still buy because you swamp them with words.
You said 150000 Russians died... prove it!
LOL. Weird how you want proof but every single time I give you an interview or link you ignore it. Why would I keep posting links when you are too stubborn to actually read them?
Remember the 3 hr video I posted in the old thread that had a soldier serving serving on the frontlines saying how bad it was... and you responded 15minutes after I posted it that you didn't agree with him.... a 3 hr interview that you watched and responded to in 15 minutes. There is nothing I can say or show you to get you off your position. Just admit that and quit pretending you are trying to argue facts with me. Just say "I don't care how many Ukrainians die or how much it cost, I am willing to fund this war to its end".... It's that easy dude.
Damn, man. You are one confused Ivan. I was the one who said approximately 150,000 had died.
And you should say, “I don’t care how many Russians die or how much it costs the Motherland. I am willing to fund this war to the last Russian.”
It’s obvious that you don’t give a damn about how many Russian soldiers die. You seem only concerned with Ukrainian deaths.
MacGregor supports Russia in this. He's a buffoon. I dont believe a word that comes out if his mouth.
I have a 2nd cousin who thinks just the opposite. He's a retired Marine General. Who do you think I believe?
I have a 2nd cousin who thinks just the opposite. He's a retired Marine General. Who do you think I believe?
Videos of opinions dont sway me. Apparently they do sway you.
To go deeper, I think if they believed they could do it in a few weeks, they would risk it. Let’s be realistic: if it happened that way, we’d go right back to them. What other options would there be? The entire supply chain starts there. You think the people who sold us out to begin with, who have known for 30 years that outsourcing was killing us and that China was stealing technology from us left and right, that they would not settle back into the status quo?
This is how insane you are.... I don't want us to give a dime to Russia. I would vote to not even buy vodka from Russia. You have to make up shit to defend your unhinged position. I don't care how many Russians die other than I hate to have poor humans suffer for their wealthy leaders.... Now you go ahead and misrepresent what I just typed out.
Opinions of people willing to do what you are to big of a coward to do... I get it. I wouldn't watch it either if I were that big of a hypocritical coward.
FWIW. I don't know what to believe, just put it out here b/c source seemed reasonable. Not taking sides.
This can't be me since I was never for lockdowns, masks, vaccine requirement though I admit I did masks & vaccines. Not aware of Ukraine asking others to take up their fight. I also didn't volunteer for Vietnam/Iraq/Afghanistan.
Well, enough of holding back on the insults, I guess. LOL. Probably because I’m not buying your string of orchestrated lies.
Oh, we’re not giving a dime to Russia, which is about 7 rubbles on the exchange rate today.
So you don’t want Ivans in the trenches to die for Putin? He’s wealthy, you know, to the tune of an estimated $160 billion even though he’s been a government employ his entire career.
So preach it like you’re preaching you’re anti-Ukraine prattle. After all, it was Russia that invaded Ukraine. I don’t think even the best propagandists can muddy that fact.
I think you're totally wrong with it truly being about 9-5 R-U.
You did it. You totally misrepresented what I said. Congrats. LOL. you are insane. Even the people that support Ukraine totally would say you go too far.
I don't want russians to die for Putin and I don't want ukrainians to die for Zelensky, Kolomoisky, Graham, Biden, Biden, Nuland... none of them. The people dying aren't the one that caused this war. You are too hardheaded to see it.
Oh, so you want the dying to stop and the only way you see that happening is for Ukraine to give up its sovereignty to Russia? Recall that Putin’s goals have not changed despite a year of monumental losses for his military. The end of dying rests with one man, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin.
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Oh its changed. He wanted Minsk 2 to be inforced. that has sailed. Russia is going to be the villain you want them to be now. The problem is that the US, UK, and NATO have pushed russia to the point that they have to go all in. I don't know what that is. I know you like to pretend I talk to Putin because your sense of humor is like a 7yo girl.... Ukraine could have kept its territory with the Donbas having some autonomy and that was too much of an ask. That is why we are here.
Lol, and you were just complaining about insults. Sunshine, I tried to go into the military, same as the rest of my family. Maybe we'll get lucky and you can call me a coward to my face one day. That should be fun.
Defeating Putin in Ukraine will cut the Chinese ambitions in Taiwan off at the knees and reassert WWII doctrine. No country should expect to be able to take another country by force in a civilized world. Order must be maintained and that begins and ends in Ukraine.
Defeat Putin and he will be killed. Absent the Russian menace the entire world can turn its attention on China.
Defeating Russia in Ukraine is the top foreign policy objective of the United States. Period.
Defeat Putin and he will be killed. Absent the Russian menace the entire world can turn its attention on China.
Defeating Russia in Ukraine is the top foreign policy objective of the United States. Period.
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Hmm, somebody should have told US politicians that before we invaded Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya & about half of the rest of the world. It would have saved trillions of dollars & millions of lives.
Wagner has stopped recruiting from prisons, as I said earlier most prisoners are dead or wounded. Since the small incremental gains in Donbas have been by Wagner human waves and not regular Russian military, who are they gonna recruit now? 65+ year olds and 16-year old kids? Women? What a joke.
Well go figure. I bet Ukraine wanted Budapest to be enforced but here we are.
The Russian offensive is going to be huge but the equipment is old and the troops totally green. I imagine Russia will make significant gains the first 2 weeks then start getting pushed back once again.
I doubtvif they have the ability to form this type an offensive a 3rd time. This is pretty much "all in" for Putin.
I doubtvif they have the ability to form this type an offensive a 3rd time. This is pretty much "all in" for Putin.
You’re a naive little Putin puppet. No one pushed Putin to invade Ukraine in 2014.
When there wasn’t enough outcry over that invasion, he thought he could get away with a full-scale takeover of Ukraine. He thought it’d take three days and planned to have a military victory parade in Kyiv after a week.
You’re so lost in the glow of that dictator that you can’t see him for what he is, a psychopath who will do anything to stay in power.
I agree. Britain and the US have given Ukraine longer range missiles, and the Russians will make the same mistakes as before.
There will be more horrific losses of Russian troops. Their logistics are still WWII era.
Ukraine’s troops, with western training and modern skills and equipment, have no other option than to keep mowing them down. It’s sad, but when there’s a madman in charge of the enemy it’s kill or be killed.
Hersch is a conspiracy theorist at the highest level in his old age. His idea is absurd.
He’s 85 years old. His faculties have faded. It’s a shame that he’s marring his legacy in this way.
So you actually think the US is going to war with China in our lifetimes? How? We haven't had a war between nuclear powers since their inception. Why would MAD just cease applying?
We're Imperial America. We could secure our own supply chains if necessary. We have the navy to do so. China's the one who'd have supply chain issue if the world became bifurcated. They're a net importer of food and energy whereas we're stable on those basics. You don't understand the logistics at play in a post-global world obviously. We don't need China for anything. They need us.
So, this may be a shock, but I’m not the only one who thinks this. That’s the first thing.
If the Chinese believed they could knock out our forward assets like carriers, and quickly secure Taiwan, I think they’re dangerous enough to try. I don’t think anybody here has not read about their missile technology improvement.
You answered a lot of your own questions. Why would we use nukes over Taiwan? A question I’m sure they’re building into their plans.
Why would bad people do bad things that seem crazy, you ask. But Putin did.
You assume that they think like us. That’s a big mistake.
Our supply chain is STILL jacked up because of Chinese shutdowns. Maybe over a long period of time we could restore manufacturing here or elsewhere besides China but if you think that’s a quick process, you’re wrong. Where do you think we would go to replace Chinese made goods? What kind of shape is our navy in that it could do what you say? From what I’ve read, we’re cutting the number of ships.
You have a point about food and energy but ask yourself; how did that same obstacle influence Japan’s thinking?
I'm not talking about Taiwan. I'm talking about war between China and the US. You said war with China was inevitable. How and why? How do you get around MAD and why would China destroy their own position on the global ladder they've spent decades climbing? China is a bigger paper tiger than Russia. Russia has a solid imperial in-house supply chain framework. China doesn't. They aren't stupid, they know that they depend on US global overwatch for their entire economy and way of life.
He won’t talk about Budapest. The only treaty that matters in his mind that should be “inforced” is Minsk 2, and there’s a lot of ambiguity about Minsk 2 and who broke it.
If we were at global war with China "a quick process" doesn't matter one lick. The world wouldn't maintain its current structure in a war with China. It'd revert to pre-WWII imperial supply chains where you keep everything in-house. China has nothing to offer us that we can't control somewhere else. You're trying to judge what war with China would do to the world as it exists now, with "Chinese made goods". If we went to war with China nobody would care about the economic impact of losing cheap stuff, that's the peacetime concern of bean counters.
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