Skal eligible
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So.... someone please explain to me, even IF Gerald Hamilton did what he allegedly is being accused of, how is that any worse than what Cam Newton's own father did?!?!? And yet Cam missed not nary a down or snap for Auburn. I'll hang up and listen. Go Cats!
That's what I think. How far back are we supposed to investigate into a player's history? As long as he is declared an amateur and UK didn't pay for him or make any donations to his 501c3, then why can't he play?
I would think that the Cam Newton ruling by the NCAA would make it pretty tough for them to rule Skal ineligible. Regardless of what his mentor asked for, if Skal did not benefit from it, I do not see them being able to hold him at blame, since Newton was ruled eligible, even though his Dad openly shopped him. That set a precedent, and if they rule for Newton, and against Skal, I think they have really opened themselves up for a huge lawsuit, and rightly so.
This is not good. Some connected basketball media saying ncaa investigators leaked this nba scouts. Its like they dont want it to be a big surprise when he is denied eligibility. Letting us down early.
THIS IS OLD NEWS. Skal will be cleared. Worst case is stitting out some games. sure the NCAA could strip him of his eligibility, but there is too much money to be made by them with a strong UK team anchored by a potential No. 1 lottery pic. cmon people use your heads. lol
Difference between this and Cam Newton is that Skal is at UK and NCAA hates Cal and UK.
Interesting thread. If I were an outsider, I'd come to 2 conclusions.
1 No way in hell Skal gets cleared to play.
2. Absolutely nothing to worry about, Skal will be cleared.
1 No way in hell Skal gets cleared to play.
2. Absolutely nothing to worry about, Skal will be cleared.
What I don't get is how is that second question bad? Everyone with a high end prospect for the first time will ask how shoe deals happen.
Its very misleading the way the question reads that way.
the answer to that could be yes but Hamilton could of been asking for when Skal was done with college or if he played over seas.
Its very misleading the way the question reads that way.
the answer to that could be yes but Hamilton could of been asking for when Skal was done with college or if he played over seas.
Skal won't miss a game. I'm willing to bet on it. What information do they have to hold him out? They'll need more than rumors. We'll know something definite between now and the first of November. Probably at the end of this month.
The NCAA changed the rules/closed the loophole. If that happened today, Newton likely wouldn't have played at all.
The worst part about this he is NOT eligible until they say he is eligible
They (NCAA) can drag this out weeks into the season and if UK plays him and he is found ineligible anyway, UK Forfeits the games he played in.
They suck beyond all reason!
They (NCAA) can drag this out weeks into the season and if UK plays him and he is found ineligible anyway, UK Forfeits the games he played in.
They suck beyond all reason!
The NCAA should have been asking these basic questions a long time ago. We've all known for quite some while that's what the issue is. All Skal is guilty of is working to overcome a terrible beginning for him to become a guy some project as next years top draft pick. If anyone should be punished for anything he'd not be one of them. Yet it could end up costing him his eligibility. Would the NCAA be such hypocrites? I think we all know the answer to that.
Well, actually the other difference is with Cam Newton we didn't learn about what his father was up to until Cam was already playing, was running away with the Heisman race, and on the verge of leading his team to the National Championship. That made it a MUCH messier situation, as an ineligibility ruling at that late juncture would've ruined not only their national championship game, but much of the prevailing storylines of that season.. So instead the NCAA basically whitewashed it and let egregiously blatant violations go.
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But in this case they know about it, and have a chance to nip it in the bud, before the season has even begun, thus avoiding all those potentially troublesome questions and issues later. THAT is what is concerning to me, if the NCAA didn't learn about this stuff until March I suspect they'd just go ahead and let Skal finish the season--like they did with Newton--but I'm not so sure if they already know before the season's begun and see it as a chance to avoid a much bigger mess later.
So true. When it comes to eligibility, team participation, rules of competition, management of infractions, etc, they can pretty much do what they please. This, to my knowledge, has been held up in court. Essentially players' privilege to play comes at the pleasure of the NCAA. There is no right of participation. Its all much the same with member institutions. The great irony is that nobody is checking the checkers. There is no "independent third party" or audit that evaluates consistency or fairness on the part of the NCAA. This is a horrible weakness in the system. While I do not subscribe to the various anti-KY theories with respect to UK, I do believe that the organization is incompetent to its foundation. I believe the organization to be corrupt to the extent that finances drive its hand more than single minded devotion to defining and enforcing a fair and level playing field.
The exception is staff and coaching personnel. There, the coaches, university and NCAA are bound by the various relevant contracts. Those are all upheld by the laws of the land. When challenged in court, everything is subject to due process, just like any other civil legal action. Tark has rubbed their nose in it more than once. Other coaches have done the same.
Here's a link to the SI article:
http://www.si.com/college-basketbal...cats-freshman-haiti-earthquake?xid=nl_siextra
If you read this it just seems impossible that the NCAA wants to get into a fight with Skal right now. It would just be horrible, terrible, negative publicity for them.
http://www.si.com/college-basketbal...cats-freshman-haiti-earthquake?xid=nl_siextra
If you read this it just seems impossible that the NCAA wants to get into a fight with Skal right now. It would just be horrible, terrible, negative publicity for them.
Let's say Hamilton did ask to make money off of skal. How is that different than players accepting money and cars and only having to pay it back and sit games?
So asking for money and not getting it is completely ineligible but asking for money and actually getting it is just suspensions? Ok makes sense. Not
So asking for money and not getting it is completely ineligible but asking for money and actually getting it is just suspensions? Ok makes sense. Not
Looking back I think easterwood is FOS. When he first started talking about Skal and Hamilton he said he "heard" from people he trusted that Hamilton was trying to figure out ways to benefit from him. Now he is saying Hamilton straight called him personally on the phone ? Something not adding up. Hamilton pissed off ECS and AAU coaches when he pulled Skal right after Lawson boys and dad signed with Memphis He burnt bridges and now the scorned are trying to take it out in Skal. This is pathetic
I'm not going to worry about it until we have a reason to worry. He may sit a game or two, but not the entire season. That would be too much of a punishment. I know many think the Ncaa is out to screw Kentucky every chance they get, but i don't buy that. It might seem that way at times, but i'm sure the Ncaa likes Kentucky just fine since the wildcats make the Ncaa tons of cash.
Just don't see enough definitive proof here to deny Labissierre eligibility for the season. However, the stupidity of the NCAA does give me pause.
This.
From Winn's article:
This came in the wake of a November 2014 allegation by a former Memphis AAU coach, Keith Easterwood, who told CBSSports.com that Hamilton had called him in 2012 and asked, “How can I make money off of a basketball player?”
Hamilton refused to comment at the time but told SI in June that he has a text message exchange proving Easterwood was the one who’d asked the damning question. Hamilton says that when he showed their text exchange to Kentucky’s compliance staff, “they almost started laughing, and said, ‘This is it? Are you serious?’ They said we were fine.”
Easterwood is a bottom feeding POS and Parrish isn't any better. If Hamilton has text messages proving the opposite of what was reported by parrish then he should sue for defamation
Kinda like what happened with Derrick Rose? Yeah.... I'd rather know on the front end than during the season or after the season. Rose was cleared by the NCAA's own Clearinghouse. Then, when they realized they were the ones that were wrong in the first place, did they punish themselves? Rhetorical question. We all know how that played out. Anyway, Even if Gerald asked for money, have him pay it back, not Skal, and you would think he'd be good to go.
But seriously, Skal was in a no-win situation here. How is a kid from an earthquake battered country supposed to know that his newly appointed guardian might be into some shady dealings? And let's say Skal does find out. What's he supposed to do? Go back to Haiti? Go find another family to live with? The NCAA is such a clown show. And they, of all people, should know that the better players playing for schools, (Skal, Enes with us, Diallo at KU, etc.) the more $$$ THEY will end up making since people want to see these kids play.
Rant over. Cats by 90. All day.
It's so glaringly obvious that they are frantically trying to find any new negative information on Skal/UK, like two kids giddily scouring the house for Christmas presents.
That whole organization can get carpet bombed at this point, especially Emmert and his goons.
That whole organization can get carpet bombed at this point, especially Emmert and his goons.
How do we know these weren't questions for Skal when he turns pro? A shoe deal is in Skal's future so i think the context of these questions are more important.
As his guardian, it's possible he was trying to find out how the game was played too. The NCAA has so many rules that it's possible he made some mistakes - but I think it will be extremely tough to prove and tie it back to Skal receiving money.
I know we got burned with Kanter, but I just can't see us taking his commitment with our front line so thin.
As his guardian, it's possible he was trying to find out how the game was played too. The NCAA has so many rules that it's possible he made some mistakes - but I think it will be extremely tough to prove and tie it back to Skal receiving money.
I know we got burned with Kanter, but I just can't see us taking his commitment with our front line so thin.
It was against the rules back then too. They opened a loophole, then immediately closed it; allowing Cam to remain eligible.
Also keep in mind the entire process of Cam Newtowns appeal took about a week; or less.
Doesn't there have to be proof money exchanged hands, a paper trail or something.. Surely nothing can happen just due to hearsay right, no matter how much the NCAA hates Kentucky?
That's what I remembered most. It took like a week for cam and manziel but others take months years. Also if ncaa acts that quick they should stick with it. Don't go back later The school and all those involved shouldnt be punished later on down the road
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Yeah, FF's abdicated and wins erased. All that horrible incriminating evidence the ncaa had at that time too.
NCAA doesn't decide on precedent. They don't have to work that way, either. Their rules are spelled out that way. Very important to keep in mind.
They are a beefed up version of your local Planning Board. A case may be almost identical in nature to another one before it but the Board may rule differently in both accounts based upon "evidence" "unique" to the case, essentially.
Terrible.
They are a beefed up version of your local Planning Board. A case may be almost identical in nature to another one before it but the Board may rule differently in both accounts based upon "evidence" "unique" to the case, essentially.
Terrible.
This is gay.
The kid didn't do a damn thing wrong.
Why the hell would he not be cleared?
There's nothing to worry about. HE DID NOT GET NO DAMN MONEY.
His handler should have been smarter about it though.
If your gonna do something like that be smart about it.
SKAL DID NOTHING WRONG!!!!!
The kid didn't do a damn thing wrong.
Why the hell would he not be cleared?
There's nothing to worry about. HE DID NOT GET NO DAMN MONEY.
His handler should have been smarter about it though.
If your gonna do something like that be smart about it.
SKAL DID NOTHING WRONG!!!!!
