I'm not putting too much stock into this... looks like it was written by a drunken frat boy from Syracuse.
Skal eligible
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What makes me most made about these situations is that there's ZERO chance UK does anything if he's ruled ineligable! Weshouldve sued the NCAA after Kanterwas ruled ineligible but we did nothing, and even worse, the Kanters did nothing.
Nothing will change until programs actually stand up to the NCAA instead of taking it and not doing ish!!!!! Eff the NCAA! While I agree that there's numerous situations that should give us hope that there won't be a problem, esp with the Cam Newton case, someone from the NCAA stated that the NCAA DOES in fact target specific schools, and we are obviously one of them.
I'm sssooo sick of being scarred of being discriminated against by that POS Emmert that things like this scare me when there's no reason we should be scared.
What helps our case in this situation ( which I don't think will matter ) is that it wasn't even his Dad like with Cam, just a guardian, but as we know the NCAA hates Cal and will go out of there way to screw us at any possible chance, while UNC skates!!!
Sorry for the rant, this is a sore spot with me, and until Emmett is out like he should be, I'll worry about the littlest things like this!
Nothing will change until programs actually stand up to the NCAA instead of taking it and not doing ish!!!!! Eff the NCAA! While I agree that there's numerous situations that should give us hope that there won't be a problem, esp with the Cam Newton case, someone from the NCAA stated that the NCAA DOES in fact target specific schools, and we are obviously one of them.
I'm sssooo sick of being scarred of being discriminated against by that POS Emmert that things like this scare me when there's no reason we should be scared.
What helps our case in this situation ( which I don't think will matter ) is that it wasn't even his Dad like with Cam, just a guardian, but as we know the NCAA hates Cal and will go out of there way to screw us at any possible chance, while UNC skates!!!
Sorry for the rant, this is a sore spot with me, and until Emmett is out like he should be, I'll worry about the littlest things like this!
Exactly. So you're going to punish a kid because someone helped him go to high school? What were Skal's other options? Doesn't his family still live in Haiti? I don't get it.
I was unaware that Skal was paid 30,000 to play professionally overseas.
Totally stupid.
Kanter and Skal have nothing to do with each other. Kanter was paid, and there was no gray area about it. It all came down to a rule interpretation, and though you (and I) may not like how the rule was interpreted, you still can't point to another situation like Kanter's where a guy was ruled eligible.
That's why UK and Kanter did nothing. There would have been 0 grounds for any legal action.
With Skal, there is nothing to indicate that any money changed hands, and he certainly didn't have a contract paying him to play professional basketball. And because of that, if the NCAA wants to drag its feet here and basically make him ineligible by saying nothing but implying that UK could be held accountable if UK tries to guess a final outcome and chooses wrong, then yes, I think that UK and Skal should engage in a full PR and legal battle.
I'm not putting too much stock into this... looks like it was written by a drunken frat boy from Syracuse.
NBA Exec he talked to:
![[laughing]](http://l.yimg.com/j/assets/img/emoticons/classic/laugh.r191677.gif "Laughing [laughing]")
How do you know his guardian was plainly shopping him? That accusation came from Memphis fan/blowhard Keith Easterwood. No credibility and has made similar unfounded statements in the past about top kids who left town.
Semantics aside, the two situations have literally nothing to do with each other. That's the point.
Agree with the main point, but it's tiring to me to see UK fans continue to be wrong about the Kanter issue. It's one thing to be wrong about something that happened 50+ years ago but Kanter wasn't that far back.
Again for anyone who wants to learn about this issue, the below link goes into detail about what happened.
http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/media2010.html#nytimes-kanter
Still waiting for the guy who shows up in these threads saying Skal should be eligible because he survived an earthquake.
You're playing defense lawyer with that piece, and doing a nice job of it. The question is, though- are you more interested in playing defense lawyer, or in the truth?
If you want to quibble about whether Kanter really had a contract, whether he was a "professional", or about what, exactly, constitutes "living expenses", then the whole Kanter situation provides plenty of wiggle room. Where there's not wiggle room is in the amount of money that he was paid to play basketball for Fenerbahce. Which was one hell of a lot more (at least on the books) than what Alex Len got for playing basketball in the Ukraine. And unfortunately, as you mention, Fenerbahce and its people had all kinds of reasons to provide the NCAA with all the documentation it could ever dream of.
So I repeat, for anyone who cares to check- find me a case of a player who was, fully documented, paid 10's of thousands of dollars by a professional basketball team, then came over and played in the American college system?
Not sure if you're talking about me, but I've said in the past that it would be another huge black eye for the NCAA to punish an earthquake refugee because the handler who brought him to this country is greedy.
How many hits should one guy take?
But, the 10's of thousands was COMPLETELY irrelevant. Emmert stated that the amount of money wasn't relevant. He went on to say that had it been $1, Kanter would have been ineligible. So, I think your challenge is not valid based on that.
He's quoting the Twitter of an Australian recruiting guy who has 2,500 followers.
Go to the Australian guy's Facebook page. He looks like a kid. Okay, anyone under 40 looks like a kid to me!
![[winking]](http://l.yimg.com/j/assets/img/emoticons/classic/wink.r191677.gif "Winking [winking]")
Lawyer talk, but well done.
Emmert saying that was stupid, and he opened himself up to charges of hypocrisy when he did so. But I repeat the question- show me the case of the player paid 10's of thousands by a professional team who went on to play in college?
If you want to say that Emmert didn't live up to his ideals when he said that and then allowed Alex Len to play, then well, you're right. But declarations of ideals and practical applications of rules aren't always (usually?) the same things, and Emmert's statement is just another example.
A high-profile American player can spend a year at a place like Oak Hill enjoying a private education worth tens of thousands of dollars, not to mention playing for years on AAU teams jetting all around the country, while sporting the latest gear etc., thanks to the generosity of sponsorships by shoe companies and who know who else. And no one bats an eye.
But if a pro club sponsors an amateur (which is how it's done in Europe) and everyone loses their mind.
The truth is Kanter did nothing wrong. He had many chances to turn pro but made a concerted effort to retain his amateur status throughout, and was even willing to sit out a year and fully repay any monies the NCAA considered to be in excess. If anything he should be applauded for his attempts to be a true student-athlete.
What the NCAA did was shameful.
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You have that backward. They changed the rules right before Kanter came to the US.
The rule change was why there was hope that Kanter would be able to play. A lot of people interpreted the rule change to mean that the NCAA was opening itself up to the best teenage talent in Europe and South America (almost all of whom sign with pro teams in their early teens), as opposed to the adversarial system that had been in place, where someone like Denez Kilicli, another Turkish player, had been suspended for 20 games for simply playing on a team with pros.
That hope turned out to be ill-founded. And while I personally think that's a stupid NCAA decision, based on their absurd "amateurism" fetish, I also can't act like it was something that singled out a UK recruit. A UK recruit prompted an interpretation, but it's not like there have been a bunch of guys popping up in the college game who played in Euro pro leagues.
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The Kanter debacle was over inappropriate expenses. I never read the first credible accounting where the money was classified as salary. If you are going to claim he was "paid to play", you need to be able to demonstrate where he was compensated for participation in a game. I think you will fail in that effort. That's not quibbling. That's proper use of the English language.
Give me a freakin' break.
If a guy is receiving money from a professional basketball team, while on their roster, what the hell is he receiving that money for if not to play? Do they just like his personality, and thus hand him $67,000 dollars?
The monies were primarily for reimbursement of educational expenses. The NCAA admitted that if the money had gone directly from Fenerbahce to the school (rather than to an intermediate bank account the Kanters set up) that it wouldn't have been an issue.
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Lol. Gerald Hamilton is the absolute last person on earth who should even comment on it. He's the main reason Skal isn't just on easy street.
If some of the comments I hear about Skal is anything close to the truth, he has a fluid situation. I don't know what to think of some of it actually. It seems to change.
Lots of people on this board use this logic above. The problem is players are ruled ineligible all the time, and coaches "thought" they knew everything. Administration "thought" they had everything they needed. The world "thought" all info was in the open, and bam! A rock left unturned along the way. Cal is not God, and he isn't close to perfect getting every single piece of info he needs for every single recruit. This is just an insane "feel safe" way of looking at this.
No offense interned at all. I will just wait and see the outcome because honestly, I don't have a freakin clue.
Why is it that when people say true things, you go straight to "lawyer talk"?
Great in theory. The reality is that the amount he was paid would cover Harvard tuition and still leave him some discretionary cash.
Do I agree with the NCAA stance on foreign players? No, and hell no. I disagree with every pathetic NCAA attempt to deny the professional nature of its game. However, I'm not going to accuse them of singling out a player for persecution when then I can't find an example that illustrates how that player was singled out.
I don't like Emmert either, but nobody is suing anybody over individual player eligibility. The NCAA is essentially a benevolent despot regarding players and member institutions. To my knowledge only coaches have ever been successful in suing the NCAA and that is due to their right to due process relative to their employment. If the NCAA rules Skal is ineligible, KY can accept or appeal. If they lose the appeal, the matter is closed.
Only when a number of influential member institutions collectively take action will the NCAA change. I'm not talking lawsuits either. They'll have to block vote from within, leave or something similar. Possibly the heinous actions by the rogue North Carolina are so corrupt and disgusting that members will drive change out of embarrassment due to association with scum like that. It will never happen as a result of individual player eligibility.
Pipe down man. You are over simplifying it way too much. That was the only credible way to competition for Kanter. And if we actually wanted to get into it, which I won't because I won't hijack the thread, it would be easy to show that the NCAA made it impossible for Kanter at the time. The Kanters did everything they could to make him eligible. They followed foreign rules for competition, we're ready before hand to make all corrections necessary, and even had every single shred of paper work to confirm motive. The NCAA new it, they screwed him anyway and to the absolute shock of the Kanters.
Now compare that to things like players receiving actual benifits for their future NBA status and nothing happens. Let's not actually give the NCAA justification here. That's complete bullshit and shows no understanding of the workings.
Do you want to argue semantics, or do do you want to actually address the issue?
That's why. If you want to argue semantics, have fun with that. You can also act like you (or anyone else arguing semantics) are really just looking for the truth of the matter, in spite of any vested interest you might have in one side of the argument or the other. Which, BTW, is laughable. The people who want to argue that some incredible injustice was done to Kanter have a vested interest in making that argument. They can make a very good argument by nibbling away at technicalities without really addressing the core of the issue- like a good lawyer would do, when faced with a difficult case. I can both respect the thoroughness of the argument while rejecting its importance in regards to what's really being addressed.
I hope you realize that the page on Kanter is not really meant to argue that Kanter definitely should have been eligible, nor even that the NCAA singled him out (although I do believe that's the case. How many other player eligibility cases does the President of the NCAA comment on the case while it was still under appeal?)
What the page does explicitly address and demonstrate is the shoddy way Kanter was treated by the press, in particular Pete Thamel and the New York Times.
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There are plenty of people who believe Kanter should have been cleared considering the nearly perfect way his family and UK handled the matter. He signs with Washington , he plays. I have zero doubt in it.
Wow. It is not hard at all to make the case that an injustice was done to Kanter. I don' t know that I'd say it was "incredible", because he didn't go to jail, nor was he made to suffer any bodily or financial harm.
However, the NCAA made a policy change that was for the expressed intent of making it easier for those players to become eligible, and then they get a very sympathetic kid who does everything he can to comply and they give him the Heismann. We don't need to word of a former NCAA Compliance officer to confirm they target certain schools. That case was textbook.
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