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Not reviewable idtDoes anyone think this wouldn’t be reviewed if UK was in that position? I feel they review so much during our games.
I love when refs call nickel dimers all game then when you get in the final minute or 2 no whistles at all and it’s football.The Rutgers player is fouling the shit out of the guy. Riding him out of bounds. The OSU player gets around him and the defender is still pushing him with his body.
Not a good sequence of officiating all around.
On a side note, Chris Holtmann continues to underwhelm as H/C of OSU. And you just know he's on Barney's short list to replace Calipari when the day comes.
Cal leaves. Holtmann comes in. Is fired after two seasons. We find the next Cal.He’s as vanilla as they come, just like Barney. Thad freaking Matta had more charisma than that guy.
Unfortunately, that's true.On a side note, Chris Holtmann continues to underwhelm as H/C of OSU. And you just know he's on Barney's short list to replace Calipari when the day comes.
That absolutely terrible, not only did the guy with the ball go out of bounds but the guy who made the shot started OOB and caught the ball first for the shot.
Ref shoulda given the players more space but touching a ref OOB constitutes an OOB if I understand the rule right.
Doesn’t matter if he starts OOB he can’t be the first person to catch the ball.Looks like he had his right foot down and his left foot off the ground before he catches the pass.
edit to clarify he established his right foot in bounds and had his left foot off the ground. Ive watched it several times pausing and he looks in to me.
Was fouled, no call, was outta bounds, no call, didn't re-establish, no call.That absolutely terrible, not only did the guy with the ball go out of bounds but the guy who made the shot started OOB and caught the ball first for the shot.
Wow I’d be so pissed if that was us. That should be reviewable and ruled no whistle play on. Like a flag in football that shouldn’t have went out.
Was fouled, no call, was outta bounds, no call, didn't re-establish, no call.
And some on her wonder why so many on here think refs are crooked AF. Miss one? Maybe and you're bad at your job, miss all 3 and you're a crooked mfkr.
Roger Ayres was doing the RU-osu game. Nuff said.
That's a football rule your quoting. If you look in the twitter feed someone screen shots the basketball rule. He just needed to re-establish himself in bounds. We can debate if he did that or not. The angle from across the court looks like he did, though he could have been on the line? Right foot down in bounds, left foot is up and almost touching down in bounds, then the ball arrives. The ref had a great angle to tell if he was on the line or not. What we can all agree on is, the refs missed at least one call. The initial ball handler was on the line before the pass. In twitter feed someone has an angle right behind that player. Should have been Rutgers game.Doesn’t matter if he starts OOB he can’t be the first person to catch the ball.
Ref shoulda given the players more space but touching a ref OOB constitutes an OOB if I understand the rule right.
I think you're right, I was looking at a FIBA rule apparently. The FIBA rule says anything other than a player and does not specify person which would exclude the ref.Not sure. When reading this it mentions the ball.
The ball shall be out of bounds when IT touches a player who is out of bounds, any other person, the floor or any object on or outside a boundary, the supports or back of the backboard, or the ceiling or overhead equipment.
-In this situation the ball never hit the referee, the player did. Crazy rule if it means that merely touching a ref who has one foot OOB and one in-bounds makes you OOB as well.
Exactly he has to be restablished inbound, I’m almost 99% that if a person runs OOB they can’t be the first person to catch a pass. I can remember specifically a game where we inbounded to a guy who did that and it was a turnover.That's a football rule your quoting. If you look in the twitter feed someone screen shots the basketball rule. He just needed to re-establish himself in bounds. We can debate if he did that or not. The angle from across the court looks like he did, though he could have been on the line? Right foot down in bounds, left foot is up and almost touching down in bounds, then the ball arrives. The ref had a great angle to tell if he was on the line or not. What we can all agree on is, the refs missed at least one call. The initial ball handler was on the line before the pass. In twitter feed someone has an angle right behind that player. Should have been Rutgers game.
Edit: for anyone who cares: I used VirtualDub2 to go frame by frame. LosslessCut is also great software for this type of things. They are both free.
Refs are just flat awful today, if you watch a game between any different conference you will see games called every different way. I believe that’s why when the tournament comes around the crew you get matters more then location.Next to rooferee he is the most corrupt official of all time.
When I was a kid, folks used to bitch about John Clougherty. He was a saint compared to these criminals Ayers, Sirmons, Shows, TV Teddy, etc.
You can be first to touch it IIRC, you just have to have had both feet in bounds before touching it. E.g. you can't jump from out of bounds and catch it before both feet have landed and you can't catch it if only one foot was down in bounds.Exactly he has to be restablished inbound, I’m almost 99% that if a person runs OOB they can’t be the first person to catch a pass. I can remember specifically a game where we inbounded to a guy who did that and it was a turnover.
Yes that is in the rule book but what I don’t understand is this rule right here.You can be first to touch it IIRC, you just have to have had both feet in bounds before touching it. E.g. you can't jump from out of bounds and catch it before both feet have landed and you can't catch it if only one foot was down in bounds.
The angle I saw wasn't great but it looked like he hadn't re-established based on what I saw.
Section 3. Player Out of BoundsYes that is in the rule book but what I don’t understand is this rule right here.
It is only a violation if a player steps out of bounds and then is the first player to touch it after coming back inbounds. If a player has the ball and steps out of bounds, it's a turnover and the other team gets the ball.
In that case would it be a player let’s say running on an inbounds and he crosses out of bounds and then comes in to accept the inbound?
I thought so, I swear I distinctly remember a game where we inbounded a ball to a player who was OOB and they called it when he stepped back in to get it. It was under Cal for sure, I don’t think it was that long ago. Maybe the Maxey team.Section 3. Player Out of Bounds
Art. 1. A player who steps out of bounds under the player's own volition and then becomes the first player to touch the ball after returning to the playing court has committed a violation.
a. A violation has not been committed when a player, who steps out of bounds as permitted by Rule 7-4.6b, does not receive the pass along the end line from a teammate and is the first to touch the ball after returning to the playing court.
Yep just checked clear violation to the rule but I can't recall that EVER being called. They always enforce it the way I stated above. Either way though, I found a better angle and he didn't get both feet down before touching it coming back in bounds. So by rule it was a violation and by the way I've seen it enforced it was a violation.
Edit: that 7-4.6b is referring to an in bounds play where the player is oob, so has no affect here.
Travesty. I understand reffing is a hard job, but this is a billion+ dollar industry, no reason refs can't be full time employees that train all year and are held accountable. At the very least for power 5 conferences and any games they participate in ooc.I thought so, I swear I distinctly remember a game where we inbounded a ball to a player who was OOB and they called it when he stepped back in to get it. It was under Cal for sure, I don’t think it was that long ago. Maybe the Maxey team.
He only had one foot down at most. The more the we look at the rule v/s the actual event the worst the refs come off. That being said, that all happened in under 5 seconds. Missed Foul, out of bounds passser, and a non-reestablished shooter.You can be first to touch it IIRC, you just have to have had both feet in bounds before touching it. E.g. you can't jump from out of bounds and catch it before both feet have landed and you can't catch it if only one foot was down in bounds.
The angle I saw wasn't great but it looked like he hadn't re-established based on what I saw.
I found a reference to the game your may be thinking of, Hagans to Herro?I thought so, I swear I distinctly remember a game where we inbounded a ball to a player who was OOB and they called it when he stepped back in to get it. It was under Cal for sure, I don’t think it was that long ago. Maybe the Maxey team.