Russia - Ukraine WAR Warning: Political Discussions
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"GO GET HIM"!!!
No wait, let's import no Russian wine until the Rooskies leave Ukraine.....
I guess if you think doing absolutely nothing to prevent it, and telling Putin that we wouldn’t get involved militarily before they invaded.
They haven’t done anything, the sanctions aren’t working. Russia is going to take what they want in Ukraine, and as soon as the paralympics are over in China, they’re going to take Taiwan, and we again won’t do anything.
Me too. I shed a few tears when Ronnie passed. He encouraged negotiation with the Soviets, which led to more peace and removed us from the brink.
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Well, as the US found out in Vietnam, Iraq & Afghanistan, occupying countries generally doesn't work out in the long run.
Why, if Putin is so weak as water, is everyone afraid of him? They should be more afraid of an unknown replacement.
If you fight them like we did where we were trying to win hearts and minds.
We occupied Japan and Germany with no issue, because we put the populace through hell during the war, they knew what we could do. Russia is following a similar path.
Nobody is afraid of his conventional forces doing anything like rolling through Europe. Sane and logical people are afraid of his ability to push a button and launch nukes
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That was World War II. There isn't going to be, nor should there be, a world war over the Ukraine. Hell, the US has invaded or dropped bombs on 3/4 of the globe since 1945 & none of it has worked out very well, now has it? This is a regional/ethnic war & it's none of our business. If you feel so strongly about it, go to the Ukraine & volunteer for action. Good luck with that, too.
I didn’t say it was WW2, or similar, yet.
You implied that since our occupations since WW2 failed, Russia occupying Ukraine would fail, if that’s even their intention.
You misunderstand my point, we dicked this up from the get go. We should’ve done everything in our power to prevent it from happening, and we didn’t. Now the limo hood of full scale war in Europe is upon us. What happens when Russia goes into a NATO country? You think Biden is going to approve military action then, I doubt it. Russia will still have nukes, it would still be a “ regional” conflict.
How many civilians have to die before we do the minimum and cut them off from swift for the oil?
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Who cares? The US has "dicked up" everything for the last 100 years, so it doesn't matter what we do, we're going to "dick it up". It'll get sorted out eventually & you then can run to your next propaganda show.
Reagan put maximum pressure on Russia. He escalated the Cold War to levels not seen since the 60s. He didn’t appease. He was calculating but not afraid of russias nukes. The USSR would have never made a move like this with Reagan as president because they knew he meant business and would back up his words. How can you have your view of current events and love reagan? Reagan wouldn’t have allowed this crap to even build up.
this is different times. People are pissing their pants bc of vlads nukes. You’re afraid if we stand up to Russia you’re afraid of Putin even though you say he’s weak as water or whatever.
Reagan pushed and pushed to build up our arsenal. He was militant not a dove. He broke Moscow that’s why they went to the table. He only encouraged negotiation when it was apparent that his strategy of maximum pressure was working
Maybe a little over the top, but I’m tired of the division. Biden’s the President, and while people don’t have to agree with his policies, he’s going to end up being a wartime President, so damn-at least root for the guy to succeed here! Lotta people in here are enjoying anything that looks bad for the United States bc the guy in office had a “D” beside his name. Bad look.
What propaganda am I spewing? I don’t want a GD war.
We didn’t do a damn thing to prevent Russia from invading Ukraine, nothing. Peoples head should be rolling right now, because someone f*cked up.
I don’t think you grasp the situation we’re in right now.
No, people just saw this coming a mile away. Yet, somehow, 80 million people(bots?) “voted” for him.
Also, the people that saw this coming were vilified and called racist, etc. One side was a right, one side was terribly wrong. One side will fight if it comes to it, one side will send others to do the fighting for them.
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Well then the corollary should also apply. We just had a president who was the first since Jimmy Carter not to start a war in his term, but that didn't stop people from losing their minds every day for four years.
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Damn buddy, have you got stock in Raytheon or something? Again, instead of salivating over sending somebody else's kids off to war, you fly to Poland, volunteer for action in Ukraine & keep us posted.
Strongly disagree. The US movie, "The Day After", scared the shit out of Ronnie. Yes, economically, we outproduced USSR during the era, but conventional arms coupled with force upgrade was not a determining factor. Read up on SALT agreements.
Unbelievable…Somehow you think I want a war because I think holding people accountable that did absolutely nothing to help prevent it, and won’t hit Russias ability to sell oil?
You’ve literally got every point I’ve tried to make ass backwards in this discussion.
Leading from behind isn’t handling this well. Our government watched the build up and did ziltch and reacted. A reactionary military policy isn’t an effective policy nor is it “well”. Our government gave putin permission by our actions in Afghanistan. You guys think Obama worse? If he was Putin would have taken Ukraine then. Biden created this environment. All this talk of the great reset and portraying the US weakness did this. Putin wanted the reset in his ideals.
I’m going to add for those who think Putin is weak. Why did we let him take Chechnya? Swaths of Georgia? Why did we let him grab hold of Belarus? What about taking robert crafts super bowl ring? Putin takes what he wants then you call him weak while there is no accountability to him. Putin said today we already declared war with sanctions. Is that the next thing to come off the table? We are enabling a world where those with nuke weapons can take everyone hostage. That’s weakness. That’s not gonna end well folks. Can’t let Putin engage in brinksmanship while we go soft. Brinksmanship works when two sides stand their ground. What we are doing is full blown appeasement
We used to be a nation to stand up for freedom especially our own. Since the US is trending away from freedom we have a bunch of chicken shits who will let vlad take half the world because they are afraid he might use nukes. He literally has taken the world hostage. The fear has become one sided
I really like you as a poster, no homo. Very informative. Whats the low down on this movie your talking about? I’m a huge history nerd, mainly WW2.
Putin is a bitch. As much shit as his country went through during WW2, to start this bullshit 80 years later is a colossal Rick Pitino(Dick) move.
Before Putin: Dominican Republic and Grenada, to name a few.
Current: We're still housing idiot prisoners at Guantanamo. As of 2022, Cuban government still has not cashed any checks for "rent".
Honestly, I'm surprised Putin has not expressed more negativity regarding Poland , Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia NATO membership. Kaliningrad (formerly Königsberg) is now essentially isolated from Russia.
Thanks. Heh, I watched a recorded video of this movie in winter, 1984 while in Gelnhausen, Germany. Later, recall writing my best friend and mentor (RIP) that the film disturbed the shit out of me. It had quite an impact on my thinking at the time. Several months later, I transferred to a missile site hosting nuclear warheads. Let me just say this: we never want to go there unless a last resort.
By the way, I'm also a huge WW2 history nerd. Recently enjoying accounts describing German Wehrmacht and Waffen SS adventures on the Eastern Front.
The film:
The Day After - Wikipedia
Edit: Fun fact -- local casting for film production included many extras from University of Kansas.
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Russia has not attacked us or any nation we are sworn to protect.
Neither did sadam Hussein. What’s you fn point? Russia attacked a democratic European nation. Let that sink in. Sadam attacked a little nation and was gonna go for Saudi Arabia. Where Putin goes next you have no clue. Let’s just let him take the parts of the world we aren’t sworn to protect
Thank you for your service bro. I’ll check this out. I assume you watched the new WW2 series on Netflix?Thanks. Heh, I watched a recorded video of this movie in winter, 1984 while in Gelnhausen, Germany. Later, recall writing my best friend and mentor (RIP) that the film disturbed the shit out of me. It had quite an impact on my thinking at the time. Several months later, I transferred to a missile site hosting nuclear warheads. Let me just say this: we never want to go there unless a last resort.
By the way, I'm also a huge WW2 history nerd. Recently enjoying accounts describing German Wehrmacht and Waffen SS adventures on the Eastern Front.
The film:
The Day After - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Edit: Fun fact -- local casting for film production included many extras from University of Kansas.
Thanks. Not yet. Planning on it. I remember the old World at War series while growing up. Unique aspect about this production was many of the key players were still alive and available for interviews. Most insightful. Gonna splurge on the DVD set one of these days and binge watch.
Man, it’s one of my faves that I’ve seen. It’s pro Merica’, duhh but I liked it a lot. Would be really curious to your and @warrior-cat opinion on it.
I be rioting on pussy every time. Don’t think we’re talking the same things though. I’ll end this with a F Pootin!
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