Russia - Ukraine WAR Warning: Political Discussions
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Good grief, once again, the people of Ukraine want to fight to protect what is theirs. Why can't you understand this. There is no point of no return for the West. Russia could go nuclear and that would be a point of no return for them but that is the flip side of your coin.
What I meant was the point of no return of sending troops. We cannot, and will not send money and weapons there for years and years, the voters will eventually get over it. Ukraine is being ground up right now, thats exactly whats happening. If Ukraine could stop it they would, they can't. Without US Troops they aren't capable of pushing Russia out, so do we send troops or just pull up ship? That day is coming
Facts... my ass. We aren't sending Patriot missile batterys into a hot war with unexperienced operators. Besides, since you believe all that Ukraine tells you, they shot down something like 95% of the missiles that Russia launched at them today, whatever they have now is doing well...right?
False, American troops will be nowhere near those batteries except for training purposes in other European countries. Where the hell did you come up with that?
I want some of the stuff y’all are smoking.
Every word of this is nonsense. Especially the last. I would ask who is making the calculation and what variables are being used but that would lead to accusations of being a Russian sympathizer. Better to be dragged into war by the heartstrings, I suppose.
Neither. You act like Russia isn't losing incredible numbers of men and equipment. This is a battle of attrition and Russia can't afford to keep up.
They can’t? Can we? Are you willing to sink our economy over a Country that has no strategic interest other than to make DC elite rich?
We have similar politics but you’re completely wrong here. If you have information that U.S. troops are going to be in Ukraine overseeing Patriot batteries, feel free to share it.
If we do send Patriot missiles there will be US troops going with them.
I do think I read an article that more troops would be in Ukraine. The reasoning being oversight that arms are going where they’re supposed to. Read into that what you will. The patriots will be a target. If American soldiers die as a result I have no idea what the response will be.
You do realize we're talking about less than 10% of our defense budget, not to mention the high paying jobs these equipment deliveries creates. You act like this happens in a vacuum, it doesn't. We can afford this for a long, long time.
No, you're applying your gerbil brain to the situation. We will train them in Germany. You can refute that if you're able, which you aren't.
We already have some oversight in country checking on equipment stocks. That is 100% different than helping them in country in using the equipment.
Gen Zaluzny of Ukr gave an interview to the economist. There were some pretty eye opening statements by Ukr's top general.
Commander in Chief General Valery Zaluzny said the Russians have been bombing energy infrastructure since October. Russia needs time to gather resources for a comprehensive offensive in the coming months. He said, “I am not an energy expert, but I think we are on the edge. Russia has attacked power grids and electricity networks with missile and drone attacks, causing massive power cuts across the country.” This has left millions of Ukrainians in the bitter cold and darkness of winter. I know I can defeat this enemy, but I need resources. I need 300 tanks, 600-700 IFVs (infantry fighting vehicles) 500 Howitzer is required.
Ukraine V/S Russia: The Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has expressed apprehension that in the early months of 2023, Russia is ready to launch a new attack on Kyiv. The recent fighting has been concentrated in Ukraine’s east and south but General Valery Zaluzny told the British weekly he feared the capital would be targeted again. He said in an interview on December 3, released on Thursday, that plans are on to make an important strategic task for a feared war in February.
The Commander in Chief said, “I have no doubt that Russia is preparing 20,000 new troops to attack Kyiv again, but we are ready for this. We have calculated how many tanks we need.” , how many artillery guns are needed. Apart from this, our preparations are also going on for other needs.
The Russian capital, Moscow, swiftly sent its forces to capture Kyiv but in a victory for the Ukrainian army, the invaders were forced several times from the capital, before the Ukrainian army courageously pulled back from the area in late March and early April. Was kept dozen kilometers away.
Obviously the main take away is the needs he listed to win. 300 tanks, 700 armored vehicles and 500 howitzers.... Nato has scoured the planet to get old russian equipment and pilfered our stock piles to backfill ukr losses. We are now sending new stuff. We'd have to take stuff that our troops are using to meet their needs. We also can't supply enough artillery rounds for what they are doing now so not sure how we'd supply rounds for 500 more howitzers.
Story is behind a paywall but some other revelations... Ukr has over 1million people in military but only 190,000 fighting soldiers left. He said that if Nato doesn't give him what he request and provide air support that they would lose the war. He said that Russia's mobilization had gone better than they'd hoped and he fears they could muster 700,000 troops for that winter offensive. The Kyiv offensive part starting in Feb is later than many expected. He also insinuated that they would need $1billion more in aid per month for non military reasons.
Commander in Chief General Valery Zaluzny said the Russians have been bombing energy infrastructure since October. Russia needs time to gather resources for a comprehensive offensive in the coming months. He said, “I am not an energy expert, but I think we are on the edge. Russia has attacked power grids and electricity networks with missile and drone attacks, causing massive power cuts across the country.” This has left millions of Ukrainians in the bitter cold and darkness of winter. I know I can defeat this enemy, but I need resources. I need 300 tanks, 600-700 IFVs (infantry fighting vehicles) 500 Howitzer is required.
Ukraine V/S Russia: The Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has expressed apprehension that in the early months of 2023, Russia is ready to launch a new attack on Kyiv. The recent fighting has been concentrated in Ukraine’s east and south but General Valery Zaluzny told the British weekly he feared the capital would be targeted again. He said in an interview on December 3, released on Thursday, that plans are on to make an important strategic task for a feared war in February.
The Commander in Chief said, “I have no doubt that Russia is preparing 20,000 new troops to attack Kyiv again, but we are ready for this. We have calculated how many tanks we need.” , how many artillery guns are needed. Apart from this, our preparations are also going on for other needs.
The Russian capital, Moscow, swiftly sent its forces to capture Kyiv but in a victory for the Ukrainian army, the invaders were forced several times from the capital, before the Ukrainian army courageously pulled back from the area in late March and early April. Was kept dozen kilometers away.
Obviously the main take away is the needs he listed to win. 300 tanks, 700 armored vehicles and 500 howitzers.... Nato has scoured the planet to get old russian equipment and pilfered our stock piles to backfill ukr losses. We are now sending new stuff. We'd have to take stuff that our troops are using to meet their needs. We also can't supply enough artillery rounds for what they are doing now so not sure how we'd supply rounds for 500 more howitzers.
Story is behind a paywall but some other revelations... Ukr has over 1million people in military but only 190,000 fighting soldiers left. He said that if Nato doesn't give him what he request and provide air support that they would lose the war. He said that Russia's mobilization had gone better than they'd hoped and he fears they could muster 700,000 troops for that winter offensive. The Kyiv offensive part starting in Feb is later than many expected. He also insinuated that they would need $1billion more in aid per month for non military reasons.
We are 30 trillion in debt and sinking rapidly. How can you possibly rationalize that this makes sense?
Assad had jews and christians in his country living freely. Isis doesn't agree with that at all. Got dayum you eat up any propaganda thrown at you. there is a reason governments use propaganda and you are case study #1. Isis was actively trying to overthrow Assad. Not sure why Assad would back an islamic group hell bent on removing him and installing an islamic goverment????Assad was not fighting ISIS. Once again you prove yourself to be totally ignorant.
The Assad Regime’s Business Model for Supporting the Islamic State
The Syrian government got off the hook for facilitating the terrorist group's rise and funding its operations.www.lawfareblog.com
Feel free to prove your assertion, hoss. (you can’t and won’t)
“The Patriots will be a target” means nothing. The mighty Russian army haven’t managed to knock out a single HIMAR yet. Nobody really fears their outlandish threats anymore except a few drama queens in this thread. They probably crawl under a desk when Kim Jong-Un launches a nuclear test.
American troops in the Foreign Legion may be there, perhaps, and that’s it.
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Wrong, Kennan’s ideas and policy proposals are easy to find.
Hmmm… maybe the calculation that a sovereign country shouldn’t be invaded by a hostile imperial neighbor and have their culture wiped out. Is that too hard to understand?
Yeah, because the Ukrainians have proven completely inept using complex defense systems, failing to wound or kill nearly 30 percent of the invaders to date.
Uhhh, you mean stuff like international law should be respected and defended?
Hell, we shoudda’ had some of that notion in the 20th Century: Hitker could have been defeated and the Commies rolled back to Moscow with that attitude!
Truth of the matter is that US troops will have to initially man those battery’s while training ukraine on their use. This is universally known information and why the biden admin has been reluctant to send them. It takes 90 troops to operate one battery.
More hitler tired ass analogies. Find someone else to dig up. And the international law stuff lol. Ukraine has broke international law over and over in the build up to this latest war your only focus is on Russia. Where is condemnation for Ukraine? The reason there never was is because Ukraine is a pawn to NATO to conduct a proxy war against Russia. You clowns act like just one day Russia decided to go after Ukraine. That’s the biggest lie well it’s up there with bush Iraq war lies but one of the biggest lies out of our govt and media this century
This is an incorrect assumption and leads directly to your other statements. With proper equipment, they can and will run Russia out of Ukraine.
So much wrong with this
us.yahoo.com
Exploding grenade launcher a gift from Ukraine, Polish police chief says
Poland's top policeman said that an explosion in his office was caused by a grenade launcher, telling private broadcaster RMF FM that he had received two of the weapons as a gift from Ukraine. Poland's interior ministry and prosecutor's office had not previously confirmed media reports that the...
No they won’t, Russia considers those 4 areas now part of Russia. Without US troops and air support they will not push them out.
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War for profit, well that's a really sad state of affairs.
Northup Grumman is up around 50% on the year. Lockheed Martin is only up 40% on the year. General Dynamics is up 27%. Raytheon is up 20%. Boeing is actually down because their civilian plane sales are dragging down the massive increase in drone sales.
Not bad in a down economy.
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