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trueblujr2 said:
I get the appeal of a switch hitter, but as we saw with EDLC, these guys typically perform way better from one side of the plate. They may have the mechanics and ability to swing from both sides, but typically they can be ALbert Pujols from one side and Billy Hamilton from the other. Was it Tucker Barnhart who gave up switch hitting because of reasons like that?

I think the Candelario signing indicates a more permanent move to the OF for Steer. Dumb question, but would Marte be a candidate for an OF spot? Would EDLC in CF be stupid? He could seriously chase down some balls with his speed and stride. I'm just spitballin nonsense on a Thursday morning.
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Candelario hit .250 against both RHP/LHP in 2023. Not great numbers but results are the same at both sides of the plate. Still should have looked elsewhere for a solid LH hitter because Jeimer could just as easily have another .217 avg season.
 
M4CAT said:
I got a good chuckle out of the White Sox asking price for Dylan Cease. 4.58 ERA, 1.418 WHIP and demanded Rhett Lowder, Chase Petty, Jay Allen & Alfredo Duno. Hysterical! Maybe you consider making this deal for a sign and trade with at least a 3-year extension for a Corbin Burnes, Shane Bieber caliber ace but Dylan Cease has one great season with a 2.20 ERA in 2022 and the only year close to that was a 3.91 ERA. That kind of production is to sporadic and volatile for the demands the White Sox are asking. Would have to throw in Eloy Jimenez or Benintendi and even then I'm not busting down doors to make that trade for an outfielder always on the shelf and another singles hitter.
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kywildcatsfannumber1 said:
There is probably a reason why teams aren't fooling with them. Duno is young (17) and by far the best catching prospect in the system that is lacking depth at that position in the pipeline. Should be ready to go by the time you would have to think about a permanent move for TS from behind the plate. I would believe Petty & Lowder are untouchable for Krall.
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Redleg Nation article suggested that the other 2 prospects behind Petty & Lowder were infielders Carlos Jorge & Sammy Stafura.
 
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That would take dumb to another level. Steer has solid .280-.290/25 HR/80-90 RBI potential while CES will one day hit 40+ HRs.
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Yeah trading Steer & CES is contradictory to even trying to contend right now as they are a vital part of this roster and don't think Nick Krall is even entertaining the idea. They likely aren't going anywhere for at least 3 years. The Reds don't need to consider moving any current IF (McLain, EDLC, Steer, CES) on the ML roster other than India with this log jam. Possibly Marte with 3B Cam Collier & Sal Stewart in the organization and put their focus on packaging the infield prospects where they are deep like Arroyo, Jorge, Cabrera, Acosta, 1 of the 3B Collier/Stewart and maybe throw in a pitcher like Ty Floyd or Hunter Hollan if it's an ace pitcher like Bieber coming in.

I don't like the idea of moving Marte and would have thought he is untouchable..the Candelario signing makes anything up for grabs. We've said for a couple of years the Reds have backed themselves in this corner with too many infielders. Kind of got clowned during the season for going on my soap box of position versatility moving EDLC to the OF but with his range/speed plus poor SS defense and the article coming out that he is open to playing another position then every scenario has to be in play. Many great infielders like Kris Bryant, Jeff McNeil, Trevor Story etc have all moved from just being infielders to playing in the OF as well now.
 
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trueblujr2 said:
I just really don't want to see somebody like Marte or CES go off to some other team and become a perennial All-Star career .300 hitter. I mean once they get more experience and development under their belts, an infield of CES, McClain, EDLC and Marte, could very well be the best Reds infield since Perez, Morgan, Concepcion and Rose. I know that's saying a lot, but these new faces are giving Reds fans some hope.
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If I were to bet, the Reds for certain will have kept CES, Steer, McLain & EDLC when the dust settles. They will be here for at least 3 years. One may get the Votto 10-year extension and the rest will inevitably be traded. By then, Stafura, Collier, Stewart, Acosta, Jorge & Cabrera will have either debuted or be on the verge of making their MLB Debut if not traded for a position of need. When the group of CES, Steer, etc above is gone prospects will be back to replenish the organization just like when they moved Castillo & Mahle to bring them in. Hopefully they can sustain success rebuilding and winning at the same time like TB but probably will still have some really low points in the inevitable fire sales.
 
trueblujr2 said:
I get the appeal of a switch hitter, but as we saw with EDLC, these guys typically perform way better from one side of the plate. They may have the mechanics and ability to swing from both sides, but typically they can be ALbert Pujols from one side and Billy Hamilton from the other. Was it Tucker Barnhart who gave up switch hitting because of reasons like that?

I think the Candelario signing indicates a more permanent move to the OF for Steer. Dumb question, but would Marte be a candidate for an OF spot? Would EDLC in CF be stupid? He could seriously chase down some balls with his speed and stride. I'm just spitballin nonsense on a Thursday morning.
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It would bode well for the Reds not to forget Matt McLain's CF experience playing over 50 games, nearly the entire 2019 season with UCLA in the outfield with 11 games at 3B in '19 when trying to get everyone into the lineup on a regular basis. He won't be the Reds 1st choice to move as they have been hesitant to adapt this position versatility with star players outside of Steer. Not considering players like Senzel already gone and Barrero the odd man out. It's the nature of today's game, guys are going to have to get used to playing multiple positions. Would think only CES is likely to stay in a position on a routine basis at 1B, DH and a rare start at 3B in a worst case scenario with all of this depth. Yeah McLain will be the 2B on Opening Day but I still can see him playing some SS if EDLC struggles there in '24.
 
kybloo92 said:
Yeah trading Steer & CES is contradictory to even trying to contend right now as they are a vital part of this roster and don't think Nick Krall is even entertaining the idea. They likely aren't going anywhere for at least 3 years. The Reds don't need to consider moving any current IF (McLain, EDLC, Steer, CES) on the ML roster other than India with this log jam. Possibly Marte with 3B Cam Collier & Sal Stewart in the organization and put their focus on packaging the infield prospects where they are deep like Arroyo, Jorge, Cabrera, Acosta, 1 of the 3B Collier/Stewart and maybe throw in a pitcher like Ty Floyd or Hunter Hollan if it's an ace pitcher like Bieber coming in.

I don't like the idea of moving Marte and would have thought he is untouchable..the Candelario signing makes anything up for grabs. We've said for a couple of years the Reds have backed themselves in this corner with too many infielders. Kind of got clowned during the season for going on my soap box of position versatility moving EDLC to the OF but with his range/speed plus poor SS defense and the article coming out that he is open to playing another position then every scenario has to be in play. Many great infielders like Kris Bryant, Jeff McNeil, Trevor Story etc have all moved from just being infielders to playing in the OF as well now.
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Outside of his atrocious bat, Billy Hamilton’s move to CF and his exceptional defense is what kept him in the league. So yeah, I think EDLC could make a great CF.
 
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trueblujr2 said:
Outside of his atrocious bat, Billy Hamilton’s move to CF and his exceptional defense is what kept him in the league. So yeah, I think EDLC could make a great CF.
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EDLC has all of the natural tools with his athleticism to be a great outfielder but I'm not sure a move to the outfield is in the best interest long term for him. If you look at what the Dodgers just announced with Mookie Betts, he was moved from RF to 2B full time in 2024 to reduce wear and tear. Yeah, EDLC has the speed to be a great CF but how would he read flyballs and his balls to the wall approach at all facets of the game with his speed could see him diving for balls that will come up short potentially costing this team more runs. I think the Reds need to leave him alone and let him learn SS. If he continues to struggle, then consider a position change. Any move should have been considered well before he arrived to Cincinnati, developed in Winter Ball or Spring Training. I don't think this is a move the Reds could pull off in June or July without any prior experience.
 
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kywildcatsfannumber1 said:
EDLC has all of the natural tools with his athleticism to be a great outfielder but I'm not sure a move to the outfield is in the best interest long term for him. If you look at what the Dodgers just announced with Mookie Betts, he was moved from RF to 2B full time in 2024 to reduce wear and tear. Yeah, EDLC has the speed to be a great CF but how would he read flyballs and his balls to the wall approach at all facets of the game with his speed could see him diving for balls that will come up short potentially costing this team more runs. I think the Reds need to leave him alone and let him learn SS. If he continues to struggle, then consider a position change. Any move should have been considered well before he arrived to Cincinnati, developed in Winter Ball or Spring Training. I don't think this is a move the Reds could pull off in June or July without any prior experience.
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None of that you will ever know for sure until the Reds try it. I agree that a mid-season position change would not be the right time to make the move if the Reds are in contention but a move to the outfield for players with his athleticism will increase his value to an organization. I listed multiple high-level players already doing it.
 
kywildcatsfannumber1 said:
Now that Ohtani has signed with the Dodgers, maybe the ball gets rolling on everyone else and see if the Reds can land an ace soon.
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It may not effect the pitching market much at all considering he isn't going to pitch until 2025 and teams looking for pitching help next year will still be doing so.
 

Jon Heyman speculating India could switch to LF and still no desire to move India after signing Candelario though I don't know if this is anything Krall and the FO are actively discussing. Need to though. Even if you give India LF, still have to move Steer to an OF position. I assume Friedl is safe at CF and it is his job to lose going forward. Still have to get playing time for Fraley, Benson & Steer in the OF. Infield needs to stay 3B Marte, SS EDLC, 2B McLain 1B CES and Candelario will get starts at 3B/1B, some DH At Bats. Expecting Fraley to log a ton of DH AB's as well.

"Even after signing Jeimer Candelario for $45 million over three years, the Reds don’t seem to want to trade Jonathan India, who is liked for his leadership," Heyman wrote. "They are, however, stacked with infielders (though he could switch to left field)."
 
There is not a lot of talk of Michael Lorenzen in the offseason so far. Wouldn't think he would be that much more expensive than if the Reds signed Michael Wacha or Lucas Giolito.
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Cincinnati Reds add two international free agent pitchers - redsminorleagues.com

The Cincinnati Reds signed two teenage pitchers on the international free agent market this past week out of Panama and the Netherlands.
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kybloo92 said:

Jon Heyman speculating India could switch to LF and still no desire to move India after signing Candelario though I don't know if this is anything Krall and the FO are actively discussing. Need to though. Even if you give India LF, still have to move Steer to an OF position. I assume Friedl is safe at CF and it is his job to lose going forward. Still have to get playing time for Fraley, Benson & Steer in the OF. Infield needs to stay 3B Marte, SS EDLC, 2B McLain 1B CES and Candelario will get starts at 3B/1B, some DH At Bats. Expecting Fraley to log a ton of DH AB's as well.

"Even after signing Jeimer Candelario for $45 million over three years, the Reds don’t seem to want to trade Jonathan India, who is liked for his leadership," Heyman wrote. "They are, however, stacked with infielders (though he could switch to left field)."
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That has disaster written all over it in terms of Bell using his platoon ignorance once again. Players will play multiple positions, hit in different spots, and not know from day to day if they are playing.
 
cole854 said:
That has disaster written all over it in terms of Bell using his platoon ignorance once again. Players will play multiple positions, hit in different spots, and not know from day to day if they are playing.
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Very well could be. Not everyone is going to make the seamless transition that Billy Hamilton did from SS to CF. It will be naive if people expect their to not be any defensive blunders next year with so much youth and learning new positions. This is what happens when the Reds backed themselves into the corner drafting/trading for so many infielders and having to change their natural positions in an attempt to get their best bats in the lineup everyday.
 
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kywildcatsfannumber1 said:
Glasnow to LA
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So much for the Reds looking to improve the rotation with a veteran ace. Will have to see it to believe it at this point. The most buzz was around Eduardo Rodriguez since the trade deadline, got beat out by Arizona. Were never going to part with what it took to get Glasnow. I get he is injury prone but when it boils down to it, the Reds are just cheap unless throwing money at washed up players or marginal ones at best. Every GM analyst I've seen saying the Reds overpaid for Candelario. The Nick Martinez signing may be decent but one thing you all need to consider are his home and away splits. He pitched in the biggest ballpark in San Diego with a 2.60 ERA and 4.50 ERA on the road. Will now be playing all of his games in the hitters paradise GABP.

Would be surprised if they signed Lorenzen, Wacha or traded for Shane Bieber who makes the most sense of the bunch. Trading for Cease will likely burn the Reds with the White Sox asking price for a pitcher with one great season in the big leagues and walk in 2 years. Being represented by Scott Boras, he will most definitely not be in the long term plans of the Reds.
 
M4CAT said:
So much for the Reds looking to improve the rotation with a veteran ace. Will have to see it to believe it at this point. The most buzz was around Eduardo Rodriguez since the trade deadline, got beat out by Arizona. Were never going to part with what it took to get Glasnow. I get he is injury prone but when it boils down to it, the Reds are just cheap unless throwing money at washed up players or marginal ones at best. Every GM analyst I've seen saying the Reds overpaid for Candelario. The Nick Martinez signing may be decent but one thing you all need to consider are his home and away splits. He pitched in the biggest ballpark in San Diego with a 2.60 ERA and 4.50 ERA on the road. Will now be playing all of his games in the hitters paradise GABP.

Would be surprised if they signed Lorenzen, Wacha or traded for Shane Bieber who makes the most sense of the bunch. Trading for Cease will likely burn the Reds with the White Sox asking price for a pitcher with one great season in the big leagues and walk in 2 years. Being represented by Scott Boras, he will most definitely not be in the long term plans of the Reds.
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Sources: Royals reach deals with Wacha, Renfroe

The Royals have agreed to deals with pitcher Michael Wacha and outfielder Hunter Renfroe, sources told ESPN.
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People are quick to anoint Nick Krall as the man, even the Reds promote him and extend his contract. For me, you are "The Man" once your team actually wins in the postseason. Still so much unproven around this team. Not a fan of waiting for the rest of the league to make their move first then overpay for what is left over on the market or settle for scraps like Luke Weaver.
 
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kybloo92 said:
People are quick to anoint Nick Krall as the man, even the Reds promote him and extend his contract. For me, you are "The Man" once your team actually wins in the postseason. Still so much unproven around this team. Not a fan of waiting for the rest of the league to make their move first then overpay for what is left over on the market or settle for scraps like Luke Weaver.
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It might have something to do with the fact the Reds made a drastic turnaround in 2023 right after losing 100 games to be in the running for a postseason spot on the last weekend while playing injured. The future is still bright but it would be nice if the media or whoever sending these mixed signals about the Reds adding this or that, being buyers back at the trade deadline would just let it play out. Health will be the biggest factor in if the Reds are going to be successful or not in 2024.
 
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Chuckie Robinson signed with the White Sox. After the season he had with Louisville, he was a nice insurance policy in the worst case scenario if Stephenson & Maile get hurt, plus his experience working with the young pitchers coming through Louisville. Can't blame him though after the Austin Wynns signing and as bad as the White Sox are, he might get another shot in MLB.
 
Like I said 3 posts above, I just wish the media would stop blowing smoke and sending mixed signals. I don't think anyone knows what is going to happen. All we've heard concrete is what came from Krall & Jonathan themselves at Reds Fest about how they plan to use him going forward and learning multiple positions. About sick and tired of the drama. One day, they absolutely have no interest in trading him and the next they are listening to offers. No one truly knows what the hell is going on. All just speculation.
 
Read an updated mock draft at MLB.com that predicted the Reds taking SS JJ Wetherholt from WVU with the 2nd pick. Stated pitching is a need but none of the pitching prospects warrant being taken that high. He can hit and has some brief outfield experience in the Prospect League.

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It's not just the holiday season right now. It's also sort of Draft season at MLB Pipeline, after we just unveiled our 2024 Draft Top 100 on Wednesday evening. The Guardians won't actually exercise the No. 1 overall selection for another seven months, but that doesn't prevent us from having
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Reds Sign Conner Capel To Minor League Deal

The Reds have signed outfielder Conner Capel to a minor league deal with an invitation to big league Spring Training, …
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It's time for Krall to put his time and resources into adding pieces to win at the Major League level and go get the front of the rotation ace instead of dumpster diving for scraps to win an International League Championship.
 
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