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How will they rule ??!

  • YES - Qualified

    Votes: 41 82.0%
  • NO - Disqualified

    Votes: 9 18.0%

  • Total voters
    50
  • Poll closed .
Crazy to think a court ruled a president couldn't issue tariffs.
Why? The Constitution gives the tariff power to Congress. Congress has delegated that power to the President in specific circumstances, and the trade court decision from yesterday found that Trump has exceeded the delegated power. The government is appealing and today the appeals court (Fed Circuit) granted a stay of yesterday's order pending the appeal. The question will ultimately be determined on appeal.
 
Goodness I forgot how frenetic Trump being President is. Any business that likes continuity and predictability has got to be having trouble sleeping at night right now. Never know what you’re going to get the next morning when you wake up. Uncertainty is great for the economy!!
 
Crazy to think a court ruled a president couldn't issue tariffs.
It’s crazy that US courts are upholding the Constitution which pretty clearly states that Congress has the power to issue tariffs. Congress has passed several laws over the centuries that give the executive branch that power in certain circumstances. The court just said the law Trump used to justify his tariffs does not apply to the tariffs he issued. We live in a country with laws. Conservatives used to respect the law above all else, that too died with Trump. Maybe we can just cancel the Constitution and make him king. We were doing better when we had a king back in the day anyway. People loved the taxes.
 
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Rule of law, eh?

Which court is correct, big boi?


Only idiots trash talk before the game is over.
No one trashed talked anyone. The appeals court issued a "stay", they didn't overturn the ruling, they are going to take time to consider it. I would never peculate on how it will all end up, but it's nice to see some justices stand firm for the rule of law.

Frankly there's not much to consider. The constitution clearly assigns the powers to assign and collet tariffs. Trumps claim of a national emergency is pure bullish*t, just one more example of the general lawlessness of the regime.
 
That is the conclusion I have come to. We are to far gone.
Very possible.

I have no doubt we will be back to Democrat rule in the near future. In fact, if a decent centrist Dem ever ran for President, they would blow out challengers. Fortunately, the chances of the Dems going to the middle is akin to seeing Bigfoot riding a unicorn.

Republicans politicians are no different than any politician. They say what you want to hear about change and do nothing about it.

Actually, Dems do more. But what they do screws everything up. It’s a mess.
 
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Stopped by an activist lefty judge.
The constitutionality has actually not been determined yet.
The SC is the arbiter of such.
Regarding DOGE, finding libs hidden slush funds is not illegal, just inconvenient for them/you.
Unfortunately it’s the SWAMP’s slush fund. There are some Republicans that absolutely dip into that honey pot.
 
Goodness I forgot how frenetic Trump being President is. Any business that likes continuity and predictability has got to be having trouble sleeping at night right now. Never know what you’re going to get the next morning when you wake up. Uncertainty is great for the economy!!
If the obstructionists would get out of Trumps way, there wouldn’t be any uncertainty. You would think that if what Trump was proposing was so awful, his detractors would let him fail just to say I told you so, instead they obstruct, obstruct, obstruct to force the failure because they know damn good and well if left alone Trump’s policies would succeed bigly. They can’t have none of that. They can’t let Trump win.

Why is Powell so damn intent on keeping the interest rates stuck where they are? Because he’s an obstructionist.
 
If the obstructionists would get out of Trumps way, there wouldn’t be any uncertainty. You would think that if what Trump was proposing was so awful, his detractors would let him fail just to say I told you so, instead they obstruct, obstruct, obstruct to force the failure because they know damn good and well if left alone Trump’s policies would succeed bigly. They can’t have none of that. They can’t let Trump win.

Why is Powell so damn intent on keeping the interest rates stuck where they are? Because he’s an obstructionist.
Our country operates on the rule of law. It is not a monarchy. It doesn’t matter how much you like Trump, he’s not a king. The Constitution and our laws lay out how tariffs can be implemented. He just may have to find a different way to do them. The Constitution says the legislature has the authority to issue tariffs for what it’s worth.

The Federal Resevre operates on two mandates. Full employment and 2% inflation by law. Interest rates are lowered when employment is struggling and/or inflation is low. Neither of those is true so it’s literally his job, required by law, not to raise interest rates.
 
Our country operates on the rule of law. It is not a monarchy. It doesn’t matter how much you like Trump, he’s not a king. The Constitution and our laws lay out how tariffs can be implemented. He just may have to find a different way to do them. The Constitution says the legislature has the authority to issue tariffs for what it’s worth.

The Federal Resevre operates on two mandates. Full employment and 2% inflation by law. Interest rates are lowered when employment is struggling and/or inflation is low. Neither of those is true so it’s literally his job, required by law, not to raise interest rates.
Geez. Unemployment is at around 4.2% which is in the range of what’s considered “full employment”. Inflation is currently at around 2.3%. In the range of your 2% threshold. He can lower the damn rates.
 
Why? The Constitution gives the tariff power to Congress. Congress has delegated that power to the President in specific circumstances, and the trade court decision from yesterday found that Trump has exceeded the delegated power. The government is appealing and today the appeals court (Fed Circuit) granted a stay of yesterday's order pending the appeal. The question will ultimately be determined on appeal.
And Congress specifically refused to take action against the President. Case closed, unless you’re financial judges sitting in Manhattan.
How many different kinds of federal judges are there, damn.
 
And Congress specifically refused to take action against the President. Case closed, unless you’re financial judges sitting in Manhattan.
How many different kinds of federal judges are there, damn.
So you think Congress should have to act when the President does something he lacks the authority to do? And if they don’t, the courts have no say? You can say that on a message board but that is not how our government works. As someone said, Congress could pass legislation imposing these same tariffs if they wanted to.
 
So you think Congress should have to act when the President does something he lacks the authority to do? And if they don’t, the courts have no say? You can say that on a message board but that is not how our government works. As someone said, Congress could pass legislation imposing these same tariffs if they wanted to.
I’m saying Congress specifically stated they weren’t going to address the issue now, when they had the opportunity. Because the President has a wide berth on emergency powers.
 
Goodness I forgot how frenetic Trump being President is. Any business that likes continuity and predictability has got to be having trouble sleeping at night right now. Never know what you’re going to get the next morning when you wake up. Uncertainty is great for the economy!!
Nothing screams stability or "democracy" like a dementia patient being controlled by a cabal of unelected staffers.
 
It’s crazy that US courts are upholding the Constitution which pretty clearly states that Congress has the power to issue tariffs. Congress has passed several laws over the centuries that give the executive branch that power in certain circumstances. The court just said the law Trump used to justify his tariffs does not apply to the tariffs he issued. We live in a country with laws. Conservatives used to respect the law above all else, that too died with Trump. Maybe we can just cancel the Constitution and make him king. We were doing better when we had a king back in the day anyway. People loved the taxes.
There’s a reason Trump refers to these tariffs he’s negotiating as “reciprocal”. Maybe you should look up the Reciprocal Trade Agreement Act of 1934 that was enacted and has never been redacted.

The Reciprocal Trade Agreements Act of 1934(RTAA) shifted US trade policy by granting the President authority to negotiate reciprocal tariff reductions with other countries without Congressional approval. It was a key part of the Roosevelt Administration's efforts to combat the Great Depression, aiming to boost international trade and stimulate domestic recovery.
 
This is interesting. I guess RFK Jr just be making stuff up.

 
There’s a reason Trump refers to these tariffs he’s negotiating as “reciprocal”. Maybe you should look up the Reciprocal Trade Agreement Act of 1934 that was enacted and has never been redacted.

The Reciprocal Trade Agreements Act of 1934(RTAA) shifted US trade policy by granting the President authority to negotiate reciprocal tariff reductions with other countries without Congressional approval. It was a key part of the Roosevelt Administration's efforts to combat the Great Depression, aiming to boost international trade and stimulate domestic recovery.
That’s not the act he issued the tariffs under, he issued them under some emergency act. He can probably move them over to the one you voted, but he did not originally which is why a court struck them down. You know, rule of law.
 
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