POLITICAL THREAD

[CrittendenWildcat]

Moe, thanks for the civics lesson where you acted all smug while telling me about a facet of our government that was so basic even you knew it, was entirely irrelevant to the point I had made, and misleading sine the executive branch proposes the budget to Congress every year, and thereby directs the conversation on budget priorities. Speaking of which, helping to relieve future generations of the burden of our nation's reckless spending was never a priority for our outgoing president--and you think he should have spent MORE but was thwarted those obstructionist Republicans!

 

[-LEK-]

For as much as you all hate Moe, he takes about 20 of you on each day, and for awhile now. Yet, you engage him. He just keeps punching back.

Except screwduke, whom I'm convinced is a liberal troll account. No way someone doesn't know what branch does what.

 

[Catfan in Tn.]

UN says that the United States owes reparations to Blacks.

 

[the nail at the foul line]

A president isn't supposed to be appalling. ALL THE FARKING TIME.

Ask Vince.

 

[screwduke1]

For as much as you all hate Moe, he takes about 20 of you on each day, and for awhile now. Yet, you engage him. He just keeps punching back.

Except screwduke, whom I'm convinced is a liberal troll account. No way someone doesn't know what branch does what.

Dumb monkey.

 

[screwduke1]

UN says that the United States owes reparations to Blacks.

I'll say it again.

The UN can eat shit.

 

[Bill Cosby]

Our investments are there. Every gain and loss.

What does that have to do with creditors?

Moe is case and point why Trump releasing his tax returns doesn't make sense. The only people who want them released know nothing about tax returns, as exemplified by Moe.

 

[YourPublicEnemy]

The left is pure evil in every way. This country sure as hell wouldn't have reached its top spot among the world if we used their ideology in the process.

How can any outsider look at the left and the right and not come away with the notion that Dems are trying to destroy this country and create unrest?

Let's examine, shall we?

- Wants open borders to flood us with third world savages and entitlement seekers
- Trying to flood us with Muslims
- Pretends there is no link to Islam and terrorism
- Creates the narrative that blacks are oppressed and are "victims" and cause riot after riot and even deaths of cops by doing this. They also refuse to hold blacks accountable of anything. They promote racial division every step of the way.

-They're almost always against our military. They're offended by our flag and anthem.
- They don't believe in American exceptionalism or capitalism but looooove the concepts of socialism/communism.
- Push the speech codes and PC agenda and total nonsense like transgender or you can pick your gender insanity.
- Implements homosexuality lesson plans in children's curriculum (See California)
- Is hostile toward whites and Christians
- Pushes anti-white rhetoric constantly and concepts of "white privilege"
- They try to shut down every opposing view (online, college campuses, etc)
- Loves the idea of globalism
- They excuse massive corruption on their end but will deflect by calling someone "racist" or "sexist."
- Wants government regulation in almost every facet. Loves the idea of the UN. Loves the concept of government dependency.
- They're often anti-second amendment while their politicians are protected. They don't believe you need a gun but then import absolute violent nut jobs not to mention the cities they run are the worst for crime.
- They have never seen a tax they didn't want or like. They want to tax everything.


There's no way that this country is better off with Dems in control of anything. None of the above is a recipe for success. And you know what amazes me the most about their sheep? Dems are a party that pander to the "poor" and "oppressed" crowd so what do they need more of in order to stay in control? More poor and "oppressed" people. They never want any of these people's lives to get better. Their policies insure they don't.

So until the end of time, they will still be singing the same song and dance. "We need to tax the rich. I'm for you, poor people (while being super wealthy). The problem is those rich people. You're oppressed by this racist system."

 

[warrior-cat]

For as much as you all hate Moe, he takes about 20 of you on each day, and for awhile now. Yet, you engage him. He just keeps punching back.

Except screwduke, whom I'm convinced is a liberal troll account. No way someone doesn't know what branch does what.

For a punch to be effective, it needs power, substance, and speed, his has none of that. He generally regurgitates left wing talking points that have been spun for those who aren't smart enough to see through it. There is a reason why people here do not like him, most care about this country and are worried because, there are a lot of people out there like him who are either too dumb to understand or, are just as corrupt as the left has become.

 

[Bill Cosby]

The reason I continue to point out how stupid Moe is, is because someone may drop by this thread, read his posts, but not do any thinking on their own.

Moe: Trump should release his tax returns because we want to know some stuff
BC: What do you actually think his tax returns will show you?
Moe: Trump should release his tax returns so we know who he owes money to
BC: Where on his personal tax return would we see who he owes money to?
Moe: "Our investments are there. Every gain every loss."

The problem is Moe is just one single person on the left, but there are hoards of people as stupid is he is who are registered to vote.

 

[Willy4UK]

UN says that the United States owes reparations to Blacks.

lol

K. GL with that UN.

 

[AustinTXCat]

 

[KyFaninNC]

UN says that the United States owes reparations to Blacks.

Oh yea, the middle east is burning, christians getting beheaded for being a christian, russia has taken land from another country twice, and the UN is focusing on this? I hope the UN gets thrown out of this country.

 

[Mashburned]

The pathetic Obama administration is filing a lawsuit against Peter Thiel for "racism"

http://www.breitbart.com/california...dmin-sues-peter-thiels-racial-discrimination/

it argues that since only 44% of Palantir’s software engineers are Asian, but 85% of the applicant pool was Asian, Palantir must, statistically, have discriminated against Asians.

Lmao. I don't believe that at all, but if Obama wants that company gone, it will be gone.

He won't touch Goog or Apple tho, right?

 

[YourPublicEnemy]

lol

K. GL with that UN.

I'm pretty sure we have already paid our share in reparations through all of the entitlement social programs, affirmative action and diversity quotas.

 

[krazykats]

So the UN is apart of the democratic troll machine? I mean there is no way Trump gets past this without looking more racist.

Right now this was a point of importance, imagine that! 50 years and we just now get this?

There will be a world war coming.

 

[Mashburned]

It is about time we nuked somebody, imho.

 

[the nail at the foul line]

Hey UN, how much do I owe Michael Jordan and LeBron? Will Smith? Get me their addresses.

 

[the nail at the foul line]

By the way, the whole world owes the US for WW2 and the cold war.

 

[Supreme Lord Z]

But but but CNN and MSNBC said Hillary won the debate. How is this possible?

I have a serious question. One about basic fundamental human intelligence beyond the political scope. Just primordial human intelligence. The kind that enabled us to crawl out of the muck and form language and agriculture. Devoid of any political taint. Reasoning skills that you might employ in a survival situation where your ability to discern reality from fiction and make the appropriate decisions in building basic shelter, finding potable water, and identifying food that is safe to eat.

Under what set of human reasoning skills can you possibly in any way based on reality conclude that a stumbling, incoherent, ignorant, utter buffoon that could not form a complete sentence on one basic policy in any way possible had won that debate?

We all need to arrive at some fundamental level of intelligence before we engage beyond that in politics. If black is no longer black and white is no longer white then there is no point in even engaging in a discussion. We might as well be speaking entirely different languages if this is where we are.

Seriously, at least begin from some rational level of thought when forming your ideas and opinions. If you go straight to "insane" then every thing after that is pointless mumbling not meant for human interaction. So many of you are just screaming at clouds in here that it is terrifying. There is no point in us even posting if all it is going to be is a bunch of lunatics howling at the moon that cannot even admit that Trump was stunningly ignorant on the issues and rambled in circles because he didn't feel like running for president was important enough to study for.

That should concern all of you. Don't overlook it and sweep it under the rug. Demand more of the moron you are supporting. If that's the best he can bring in the biggest television event in political history then that suggests he's going to do the same as president. Be half-assed prepared. Is that what you want from your president? Really?

If you are going to vote for him then demand he show at least the ability to engage intelligently in the topics at hand. If he cannot even do that then what the hell are you voting for him for?

 

[Mashburned]

Z it's too early for that shit. Get a donut.

 

[krazykats]

I wish Trump would cut loose dead weight and ask Hiliary if she is so for the minorities best interest how does she plan to get the African American population to not feel like they are america's front line soldiers at war.

As she goes on with her lie, at any point just tell her that her policies will further their economic gap which is what puts them in a financial situation to have to provide those services.

Let's educate them on what exactly the lies are and and open their damn eyes for them!

 

[Supreme Lord Z]

The soft bigotry of low expectations. I guess they're not smart enough to figure it out for themselves so they need white men like krazykats to show them.

 

[WettCat]

James Comey back in front of House Judiciary Committee today to answer questions about the offering of immunity to so many of Hillary's staff.

At some point, doesn't someone with a tiny bit of self-respect answer, "the DOJ instructed..no demanded...that I offer immunity to her staff. I strongly disagreed, but they were adamant. Yes, this was a complete double standard without any comparison I've ever witnessed. We had no valid reason to offer immunity and it completely runs counter to competent investigative practice."

 

[augustaky1]

I have a serious question. One about basic fundamental human intelligence beyond the political scope. Just primordial human intelligence. The kind that enabled us to crawl out of the muck and form language and agriculture. Devoid of any political taint. Reasoning skills that you might employ in a survival situation where your ability to discern reality from fiction and make the appropriate decisions in building basic shelter, finding potable water, and identifying food that is safe to eat.

Under what set of human reasoning skills can you possibly in any way based on reality conclude that a stumbling, incoherent, ignorant, utter buffoon that could not form a complete sentence on one basic policy in any way possible had won that debate?

We all need to arrive at some fundamental level of intelligence before we engage beyond that in politics. If black is no longer black and white is no longer white then there is no point in even engaging in a discussion. We might as well be speaking entirely different languages if this is where we are.

Seriously, at least begin from some rational level of thought when forming your ideas and opinions. If you go straight to "insane" then every thing after that is pointless mumbling not meant for human interaction. So many of you are just screaming at clouds in here that it is terrifying. There is no point in us even posting if all it is going to be is a bunch of lunatics howling at the moon that cannot even admit that Trump was stunningly ignorant on the issues and rambled in circles because he didn't feel like running for president was important enough to study for.

That should concern all of you. Don't overlook it and sweep it under the rug. Demand more of the moron you are supporting. If that's the best he can bring in the biggest television event in political history then that suggests he's going to do the same as president. Be half-assed prepared. Is that what you want from your president? Really?

If you are going to vote for him then demand he show at least the ability to engage intelligently in the topics at hand. If he cannot even do that then what the hell are you voting for him for?

You could have just asked -tell me why you think Trump won the debate? But that is not what you want to know. That is not the objective of your post.

 

[Supreme Lord Z]

Top #1 priority for the Dems is to get this election away from race, rioting, and BLM. Those issues are killing us in the rust belt and have surged Trump back into making those tight.

There is no more polarizing issue for a white middle class blue collar worker than for these race baiting issues. Reagan's entire "Reagan Democrat" base came directly from demonizing black people as lazy welfare collecting criminals that Reagan knew how to dog whistle on better than anyone else and then of course Willie Horton by himself brought Bush back from 20 pts down to catch Dukakis.

The debate helped turn the ship, but if the idiots running Hillary's campaign do not get them out of this mess in a hurry Trump could ride Black vs White all the way to the presidency as there is NO WAY on earth those Reagan Dems are going to be on board with all this rioting and violence and in any way be seen as agreeing with BLM. That is kryptonite and they're handling it like it's ice cream.

 

[CATSrock]

I have a serious question. One about basic fundamental human intelligence beyond the political scope. Just primordial human intelligence. The kind that enabled us to crawl out of the muck and form language and agriculture. Devoid of any political taint. Reasoning skills that you might employ in a survival situation where your ability to discern reality from fiction and make the appropriate decisions in building basic shelter, finding potable water, and identifying food that is safe to eat.

Under what set of human reasoning skills can you possibly in any way based on reality conclude that a stumbling, incoherent, ignorant, utter buffoon that could not form a complete sentence on one basic policy in any way possible had won that debate?

We all need to arrive at some fundamental level of intelligence before we engage beyond that in politics. If black is no longer black and white is no longer white then there is no point in even engaging in a discussion. We might as well be speaking entirely different languages if this is where we are.

Seriously, at least begin from some rational level of thought when forming your ideas and opinions. If you go straight to "insane" then every thing after that is pointless mumbling not meant for human interaction. So many of you are just screaming at clouds in here that it is terrifying. There is no point in us even posting if all it is going to be is a bunch of lunatics howling at the moon that cannot even admit that Trump was stunningly ignorant on the issues and rambled in circles because he didn't feel like running for president was important enough to study for.

That should concern all of you. Don't overlook it and sweep it under the rug. Demand more of the moron you are supporting. If that's the best he can bring in the biggest television event in political history then that suggests he's going to do the same as president. Be half-assed prepared. Is that what you want from your president? Really?

If you are going to vote for him then demand he show at least the ability to engage intelligently in the topics at hand. If he cannot even do that then what the hell are you voting for him for?

While Trump is certainly not an elegant orator, he is obviously not an ignorant buffoon. He rambles and gets going too fast which comes across as stumbling and I get that.
What is the most troubling for most that are opposed to Hillary is that she is without doubt the most corrupt, dishonest politician to ever seek office. The list of her failures and lies can fill a page and you are smart enough to know this. How ANYONE would want her as our President is beyond belief.
This election is coming down to voting for what we don't know over what we do know and we know that Hillary is the worst - EVER.

 

[-LEK-]

Dumb monkey.

That is cute coming from the guy that doesnt know what the executive branch does vs the legislative branch. Or understands presidential powers, or most basic functions of government. I have quoted you about 10 times showing where you didnt know. But I get it, you just mimic those around you.

Oh goodness, I forgot you actually thought the US was giving up control of the internet and it worked that way.

 

[Supreme Lord Z]

This election is coming down to voting for what we don't know over what we do know and we know that Hillary is the worst - EVER.

So Obama has dropped to 2nd already?

 

[PhattyJ4UK]

Gawd damn..

This thread seemed decent for a while. Then i check it today and the worst member of the site had to chime in and Z came back.

Z, luckily for trump, the presidency and the winner of a debate isnt determined the same way as say the debater of the year for harvard would be.

Trump more than held his own in his first 1v1 debate versus the one with 30 years experience. She came off as pre programmed and smug. No wonder she "short circuits".
He came off as a rookie who missed an opportunity but also was being double teamed. People saw that.

She also used basically everything she has against trump, except trump university. He still has almost everything to unleash.

All in all, i saw the debate as close to even, but wouldnt disagree with someone who gave a slight edge to HRC. i dont think she won many people over. But numerous polls of undecideds show trump with good gains.

Might want to check out something besides the cnn poll. Gravis is fascinating.


At the end of the day, all the debate did for either, imo was to make sure all eyes will be on the next, more important debate.

 

[Bill Cosby]

James Comey back in front of House Judiciary Committee today to answer questions about the offering of immunity to so many of Hillary's staff.

At some point, doesn't someone with a tiny bit of self-respect answer, "the DOJ instructed..no demanded...that I offer immunity to her staff. I strongly disagreed, but they were adamant. Yes, this was a complete double standard without any comparison I've ever witnessed. We had no valid reason to offer immunity and it completely runs counter to competent investigative practice."

Ha. Yeah right. Him falling on the sword is worth faaaaaaar more money than salvaging any shred of integrity.

 

[Supreme Lord Z]

If you need a poll to tell you how to judge that "debate" then that should tell you what the problem is right there.

 

[CATSrock]

So Obama has dropped to 2nd already?

Ugh, this is not about Obama, stop trying to deflect. Hillary comes in with so much baggage and it is ALL about power and corruption. She has failed at every turn and doesn't have one idea that is unique or will help our country. People don't like her and don't trust her. Tell me, what exactly do you like about her?

 

[krazykats]

Apparently asking that question runs the democrats off!

 

[-LEK-]

I think its because people judge the debate differently. In a classic debate settings, where facts are argued, points are giving for using correct information and logical arguments, the outcome is obvious. But a lot of people dont think like that, and probably never have. Good orators win elections. People want to "feel" comfortable with the person they are voting for in an election. They want to know they "can have a beer" or "does this person let me wear a cap backwards." Sure, its part simian behavior, but it also speaks to a great truth, that people like to feel safe. With Bengazhi, the emails, the killings, the health issues, people dont trust or feel safe with HRC. The advantage Trump has, is he has never been in a position to really let a mass populace down (yes, I can list his bad business dealings from not paying taxes to Trump University).

Trump speaks well. He is a master orator. While he may not know the answer, people like his confidence, his power. Even without the presidency, Trump is probably one of the most powerful people in the world. And that does have some weight. Every great leader has been someone who can speak well and inspire. Bush II wasnt the smartest guy, but when he spoke, you were drawn to him. Clinton and Reagan had same thing.

Obviously, you can argue Trump appeals to the masses, he represents a lot of people that feel like they have been shit on by current politics. You know that Trump will go to a fight to win, not back down to Iran/UN/Russia, etc. People are desperate for a hero. Now, Trump is no hero, and in people's darkest needs, they will take him, but its the best option for many.

People wanted to try and like Clinton in this debate. She killed him on facts and points, but Trump came off more human and more likeable. And thats all he needed to win.

 

[CATSrock]

Apparently asking that question runs the democrats off!

That's because they don't like her - nobody does. Why do you think Bernie was such a hit running against the female, ex Secretary of State, former first lady and all the things that made her the 'most qualified candidate ever'?

The sad thing is that they will vote for her anyway despite all of the scandals and lies - scandals and lies that actually MATTER. All the left and MSM can do to keep things stirred up is keep bring up the tax returns (doesn't matter), birther issue (doesn't matter) and the latest zinger - cocaine. Unreal...

 

[-LEK-]

That's because they don't like her - nobody does. Why do you think Bernie was such a hit running against the female, ex Secretary of State, former first lady and all the things that made her the 'most qualified candidate ever'?

The sad thing is that they will vote for her anyway despite all of the scandals and lies - scandals and lies that actually MATTER. All the left and MSM can do to keep things stirred up is keep bring up the tax returns (doesn't matter), birther issue (doesn't matter) and the latest zinger - cocaine. Unreal...

The same thing could be argued against Trump from his 124 distinct policy shifts on 20 major issues, tracking only his stated views since he announced his candidacy on June 16, 2015 (NBCNEWS) to his anti-muslim rhetoric, anti-mexican rhetoric, to his shady business dealing with Russia, his multiple bankruptcies, his issue of not paying income tax, he doesnt know the issues, he gets baited very easily, foundation being investigated, shady business dealings (Trump University, Panama, Housing discrimination), etc. So yes, there are reasons not to like trump. However, I listed above reasons to, hes powerful, inspires, successful, speaks to people.

Clinton, has Bengazhi, emails, shady foundation, killing probably 100s of people (lol), years of insider politics, smells like moth balls, but she is qualified from senator, to secretary of state (which is huge, because a few on here dont understand how big a position that is).

You cant really argue that one candidate is clean, theyre both dirty.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

I think its because people judge the debate differently. In a classic debate settings, where facts are argued, points are giving for using correct information and logical arguments, the outcome is obvious. But a lot of people dont think like that, and probably never have. Good orators win elections. People want to "feel" comfortable with the person they are voting for in an election. They want to know they "can have a beer" or "does this person let me wear a cap backwards." Sure, its part simian behavior, but it also speaks to a great truth, that people like to feel safe. With Bengazhi, the emails, the killings, the health issues, people dont trust or feel safe with HRC. The advantage Trump has, is he has never been in a position to really let a mass populace down (yes, I can list his bad business dealings from not paying taxes to Trump University).

Trump speaks well. He is a master orator. While he may not know the answer, people like his confidence, his power. Even without the presidency, Trump is probably one of the most powerful people in the world. And that does have some weight. Every great leader has been someone who can speak well and inspire. Bush II wasnt the smartest guy, but when he spoke, you were drawn to him. Clinton and Reagan had same thing.

Obviously, you can argue Trump appeals to the masses, he represents a lot of people that feel like they have been shit on by current politics. You know that Trump will go to a fight to win, not back down to Iran/UN/Russia, etc. People are desperate for a hero. Now, Trump is no hero, and in people's darkest needs, they will take him, but its the best option for many.

People wanted to try and like Clinton in this debate. She killed him on facts and points, but Trump came off more human and more likeable. And thats all he needed to win.

Excellent post. Personally I thought she won. Thought he started great, then took the bait about not being rich and fell apart. I was shocked to see how many polls had him winning.

But as you noted, many different voters were looking different things. Personable, willing to fight, etc etc were all seem people wanted to see. We weren't all looking for the same things, and apparently many people saw what they wanted from Trump.

 

[qwesley]

executive branch does vs the legislative branch.

These days they are not as separate as intended or in any substantial way.

 

[qwesley]

James Comey back in front of House Judiciary Committee today to answer questions about the offering of immunity to so many of Hillary's staff.

At some point, doesn't someone with a tiny bit of self-respect answer, "the DOJ instructed..no demanded...that I offer immunity to her staff. I strongly disagreed, but they were adamant. Yes, this was a complete double standard without any comparison I've ever witnessed. We had no valid reason to offer immunity and it completely runs counter to competent investigative practice."

Their argument is that they offered immunity in order to get her laptop. Not a subpoena. And then allowed Mills to rep HRC.