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A foreign power is being used to investigate a presidential candidate. Has that ever happened. The answer is no.

[laughing] The answer is yes. Crossfire Hurricane is what they named it. They used UK, Australia and Ukraine to not only investigate a presidential candidate but to also infiltrate and spy on his campaign.

BTW there's a very real investigation ongoing and it's the reason behind all of this. They're trying to shut it down or at least taint public opinion.

They couldn't care less about Biden. That's not what the outrage over the Ukrainian phone call is about. That's their excuse. Their propaganda and you fell for it.

The reason you're seeing this reaction is because Barr is on the right trail. He's been to the UK (Steele), Australia (Downer), Italy (Mifsud). Next on the list is Ukraine. Read the transcript.. Trump mentions Crowdstrike. That's very, very important. This is why you're seeing the Ds, IC and media go scorched earth.

Do you even know who any of those people I mentioned are and why it's so important that Barr is making contact?

Do you even know who/what Crowdstrike is and why it's so important Trump is bringing it up to the Ukrainian president and asking him to assist Barr?
 
In all sincerity, Wildcats1st, you really need to educate yourself on the Ukraine situation. You clearly have a misunderstanding of what's actually happened, and what's currently happening.

As I said earlier, the vast majority of posters in this thread are very informed. To come in here preaching some "sheep" bullshit accusations while spouting off a version of events you picked up on MSNBC just makes you look like a fool.

The Democrats thought Trump would be like every Republican in the past, and just roll over and take their shit as they concocted this fake "whistleblower" "scandal". Instead, he stole the narrative right out from underneath them and released the contents of the actual call, which makes their crafted hearsay completely moot. Rather than admitting their ruse failed, the Democrats are now coming up with more "whistleblowers". I'd prefer political parties not use the federal government to interfere with elections, but the Democrats are so far past abusing the power of the federal government to try and steal elections that we'll never return.

You clearly don't get it Bill. The Donald just got off the phone with Ukraine. We got him now.
 
Where is this investigation and how do you know about it? Oh that’s right the president and his attorney told everyone.

Actually the IG investigation has been ongoing for a while. Horowitz testified in front of Congress about part 1 already.

The other one the Attorney General of the United States announced he was appointing US attorney John Durham to investigate.

These thing are common knowledge and have been known for months and even longer in the case of IG Horowitz. How do you not know these things? It's counterproductive to even have this debate with you because you're completely unaware of the basics.
 
Has nothing to do with pay. The pay was always mediocre. It's all the nonsense they have to do thanks to over meddling politicians combined with the fact they have zero ability to control discipline problems.

Remove the administrative bloat. Get rid of the union. Stop pandering to the left. Problem solves itself.

I'll agree w. the administrative bloat. However, you mentioned the pay has always been mediocre. You remove the union from the picture and that won't improve. Most likely, it would do the opposite. Look at how sh!tty some get paid. You remove the union and wages will remain stagnant. You also have to consider other things, besides pay, that unions negotiate for: class sizes, number of preps, number of overall classes they teach, benefits, etc. Without the union, teachers will get hosed on those things. There is a reason teachers leave the education field at a fairly high level.
 
In all sincerity, Wildcats1st, you really need to educate yourself on the Ukraine situation. You clearly have a misunderstanding of what's actually happened, and what's currently happening.

As I said earlier, the vast majority of posters in this thread are very informed. To come in here preaching some "sheep" bullshit accusations while spouting off a version of events you picked up on MSNBC just makes you look like a fool.

The Democrats thought Trump would be like every Republican in the past, and just roll over and take their shit as they concocted this fake "whistleblower" "scandal". Instead, he stole the narrative right out from underneath them and released the contents of the actual call, which makes their crafted hearsay completely moot. Rather than admitting their ruse failed, the Democrats are now coming up with more "whistleblowers". I'd prefer political parties not use the federal government to interfere with elections, but the Democrats are so far past abusing the power of the federal government to try and steal elections that we'll never return.
There're clearly differing opinions on the contents of the released "transcript". Some read it and see Trump being Trump, nothing illegal. Some read it and see clear impropriety and an implicit quid pro quo. I realize you don't see it as incriminating, but to much of the country that paraphrased transcript is damning in and of itself, no further information necessary.
 
There're clearly differing opinions on the contents of the released "transcript". Some read it and see Trump being Trump, nothing illegal. Some read it and see clear impropriety and an implicit quid pro quo. I realize you don't see it as incriminating, but to much of the country that paraphrased transcript is damning in and of itself, no further information necessary.

Edit: conflating all the lefties
 
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I'll agree w. the administrative bloat. However, you mentioned the pay has always been mediocre. You remove the union from the picture and that won't improve. Most likely, it would do the opposite. Look at how sh!tty some get paid. You remove the union and wages will remain stagnant. You also have to consider other things, besides pay, that unions negotiate for: class sizes, number of preps, number of overall classes they teach, benefits, etc. Without the union, teachers will get hosed on those things. There is a reason teachers leave the education field at a fairly high level.[/QUOT
I'll agree w. the administrative bloat. However, you mentioned the pay has always been mediocre. You remove the union from the picture and that won't improve. Most likely, it would do the opposite. Look at how sh!tty some get paid. You remove the union and wages will remain stagnant. You also have to consider other things, besides pay, that unions negotiate for: class sizes, number of preps, number of overall classes they teach, benefits, etc. Without the union, teachers will get hosed on those things. There is a reason teachers leave the education field at a fairly high level.

It will greatly help wages for good teachers. They get held back having to carry all the worthless teachers who are nearly impossible to fire. And there are plenty of the latter that everyone wants rid of
 
I wouldn't consider Turkey an ally and I'm not quite sure how I feel about leaving the Kurds high and dry but he definitely has a point.

The revisionist history, hypocrisy and double standards from the left and media are coming. Get the fainting couches ready

 
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Now we are starting to understand why Perry and Ghouliani are so invested in this Ukraine bs. they were positioning all their buddies to make tons of money off the power struggle. Get all the energy company big wigs cleaned out, replace with their people, profit. Pretty typical political money grabs. Trump was also quick to throw Perry under the bus.

”Not a lot of people know this but, I didn’t even want to make the call,” Trump said. “The only reason I made the call was because Rick asked me to. Something about an LNG [liquefied natural gas] plant.”

Thats a lot different explanation then the original. I thought he wanted the call really bad to weed out corruption! and of course none of that is in the "transcript". and you sheep eat it up.
 
Trump just green lit a mass genocide in Syria. It is a lose lose situation. The Kurds are the reason we were able to wipe out ISIS and are currently managing 100k strong prison camp. But Turkey is an important "ally" for asserting power in the ME and staging for our nukes. I'm not against just getting the F out but Trump has to acknowledge he just allowed the slaughter of the people we have been training, arming, fighting with. Hopefully we are getting something from Erdogan for closing our eyes and letting it happen. Just another reason to completely abandon the ME, its a shit show.
 
Now that TRump has failed miserably at stopping illegal immigration he is going to try his hand at stopping legal migration. The best part of all this is it's conservative states and business that will lose the most from the labor shortage.

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You’re the sheep you would never speak out against trump even if he shot someone on 5th ave. He told you that. Divergent thinking is when you can look from all sides. You don’t. You look only at what fits your belief and throw the rest out.

Btw these aren’t the only 2 so called whistleblowers more to come. Until you can come out and say even “maybe trump did something wrong” you have no credibility. This polarization is what is wrong with America. No way do all Dems and republicans believe only what the party tells them and walk in lock step. I’m a staunch conservative but I’ll call out bs when I see it even if it threatens my core beliefs. This Ukraine garbage alone has pushed me from firm trump to no vote in 2020. Instead of pushing propaganda maybe you should start convincing people like me why trump is clean and do it without your propaganda crib notes.

Btw Dwayne i don’t watch the news. I read only facts. You’re caught up in only watching facts that suit you. People have to change in America. Either change or give up on your kids and your kids kids bc people like you (lib or conservative) are creating a dangerous environment for the future generations.
Do you really understand what is going on? Do you not realize the CIA and FBI are two of the most corrupt organizations on the face of the earth? If Trump does nothing else in his 8 years but expose these crime infested government sponsored enemies of the people he will have done something that makes him immortal in the minds of the common man. People without any power to fight back.

Ukraine has been one of the most corrupt governments for decades. Many U.S. politicians have made millions off of them. The Clintons, Obama and Joe Biden are just a few. We have a treaty with Ukraine that says crimes can be investigated. If Trump had not brought this up in his conversations with the Ukraine leader he would not be doing his job. As President he should be mindful of foreign aide going to a corrupt government. And he was and still is.

The question you should be asking is not about Trump it should be focused on getting to the bottom of the crimes and corruption of our CIA, FBI and politicians who make millions off of other countries in return for America's aide and pay to play schemes. Trump was a billionaire when he became President. Obama was not. Now Obama is one of the wealthiest people in America as is Joe Biden and his family. They did this on a government salary? Who is kidding who. Your focus in on the wrong target. Why don't you want Biden exposed for the crook he is?
 
I agree with exception of what trump has done with this Ukrainian deal. He didn’t need to speak so openly about his conversations and did so I believe to challenge congress to impeach him. Impeachment does nothing but divide the country. Like i said I was with him until this point. Let’s see what he does going forward but right now i can’t vote for any of them. They all suck.
Since before the 2016 election, I've said all the candidates were poor candidates. For me, Trump was the least of the evils....and still is.
While I'd like to see Pence do well in the future, he's a pol just like the others. I like Trump's "in your face" style. He calls it like it is.
I'm convinced that playing tiddly-winks with dems/libs does not work. Trying to be cooperative with them does not work. Trying to compromise with them does not work. For the positions they take on issues like abortion, gay issues, welfare, immigration, taxation, etc...they will take an inch but ultimately want the mile.
Unfortunately, Repubs have not been nearly as aggressive and have given too much ground. It's time we had someone like Trump that played the game the same way. Again, unfortunately, as a country we've lost too much ground. It would take ten presidents like Trump to "return us to greatness".
 
Trump has had NOTHING to do with dividing the country. He is POTUS because the country was already divided. Unfortunately, his presidency is just a brief calm before the storm because the next generation of voters are nothing more than sheep following the lines of idiots like the clintons, warrens, obammers, and all the bernie sanders types out there. They don't care about American exceptionalism, American tradition, Patriotic American values. They don't know how to have a reasonable conversation about differences of opinion. All they know is covering their little faces, shooting the bird at those who disagree and destroy property. After Trump and perhaps Pence, we're hurting.

This is the reality... they can't have civil discourse anymore; it's becoming mainstream liberal thought that everyone is a conspirator racist moron if you disagree, deny their socialist dreams lest we will live in some version of the handmaiden's tale. Lunatics to their core they don't care about anything but themselves and their worldview. You see it here in this thread day in day out, denigrating and disparaging farmers for example... we need food bros.

ANd I'm actually liberal BRO
 
There're clearly differing opinions on the contents of the released "transcript". Some read it and see Trump being Trump, nothing illegal. Some read it and see clear impropriety and an implicit quid pro quo. I realize you don't see it as incriminating, but to much of the country that paraphrased transcript is damning in and of itself, no further information necessary.
IMO, Trump is Trump. He's not a politician. He does not know political propriety. He doesn't know how to play by their rules. He just does what he does. Apparently career pols know how to do the same type things without getting caught with their hands in the cookie jar.
hillary colluding with foreign countries to defeat Trump. Biden's involvement with Ukraine etc... They are more polished and have the skills to circumvent suspicion. At least until now. I like Trump because at least he will say what he's thinking.
 
Since before the 2016 election, I've said all the candidates were poor candidates. For me, Trump was the least of the evils....and still is.
While I'd like to see Pence do well in the future, he's a pol just like the others. I like Trump's "in your face" style. He calls it like it is.
I'm convinced that playing tiddly-winks with dems/libs does not work. Trying to be cooperative with them does not work. Trying to compromise with them does not work. For the positions they take on issues like abortion, gay issues, welfare, immigration, taxation, etc...they will take an inch but ultimately want the mile.
Unfortunately, Repubs have not been nearly as aggressive and have given too much ground. It's time we had someone like Trump that played the game the same way. Again, unfortunately, as a country we've lost too much ground. It would take ten presidents like Trump to "return us to greatness".

They (dems/libs/progressives/socialists/communists) must be defeated. You cannot compromise with them. All they do is lie to get what they want anyway. No trust will/ should ever be warranted to them (dems/libs/progressives/socialists/communists). Lying is not against the rules to the majority of (dems/libs/progressives/socialists/communists.) You cannot trust a liar.

I do not agree on the "ten" number but we sure need "eight" more years of Trump like scorched earth method(s) (After President Trump). I like VP Pence but he sure needs to up his emotional content to be able to sustain the momentum. I am not sure he can do that. He is Ben Carson on steroids but that is just above a "normal" liberal. For the fanatical liberals which are most of them you need a whole lot more animation.
 
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There're clearly differing opinions on the contents of the released "transcript". Some read it and see Trump being Trump, nothing illegal. Some read it and see clear impropriety and an implicit quid pro quo. I realize you don't see it as incriminating, but to much of the country that paraphrased transcript is damning in and of itself, no further information necessary.
Yes because all the lefties see is the version with 540 words edited out of it.
 
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All I know is I am way beyond done with this Stayer character. I cannot click on anything without one of his ads popping up. Guy is not going to win the Nomination so I am trying to figure out what his end game is here considering the amount of his own money he is spending on his campaign.
 
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We're really pulling out of the middle East. Never thought I'd see the day. What an incredible move. I love the part of his tweet where he says let them sort it out.

Now of course all the usual suspects (msm and blue checks) are ripping out their beards screaming about leaving a war that they spent years blasting us for being in.
 
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