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Platinum, again,

Talking out of both sides of your foolish head.

Where is this evidence Syria is being overrun by ISIS?

That was your claim, O, wise one.

Now show the rest of us peasants how you came to know so much.
 
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BigBlueDave said:
Carter was the last straw for those guys. There was a social program for every ailment(so they thought then)

The epa, gifted/appeased by Nixon, is over reaching with Carter.

Nationalizing education. The Dept of Ed. was started under Carter. Somehow we made it to the moon without a US Dept of Ed.

The energy crisis. We're running out of oil lie. Turn down your thermostat and put another layer on during the winter in your own house.

Reducing the national speed limit from 70mph to 55 mph to save lives and fuel. I'm surprised the green new Deal isn't suggesting this.

Inflation rates from 4.8% in 1976 to 12% in 1980.

Interest rates in the upper teens.

The malaise speech.

Anything measurable, we sucked at under Carter.
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Carter's legacy will always be one of failure.

Double digit inflation AND unemployment. Complete foreign policy failure as well.
 
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Or assault them. Seems to be the most popular thing to do.

Libs don't know how to laugh...…. or meme.
 
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Sawnee Cat said:
You nailed it. Carter completely turned me. He was incompetent and his wife was over bearing. I bought my first house in the 1960's with a 7% interest rate. I sold it during Carter and moved to a different town when my company transferred me. My interest rate was something like 18% or there about. It was painful. Everything was was bleak and of course he let Iran treat him like a little boy running and hiding.

We indeed did suck under Carter and the only person worse was Obama. I can't believe some still think Carter was a good president.
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The only people who think Cater was a good POTUS either weren't alive then or are TOTAL IDIOTS.
 
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As someone who has hired a lot of people over the years, all I can say is that hiring a crapshoot. Someone can interview like a champion and have great credentials, yet turn out to be a poor performer. Conversely, I've hired people out of "necessity" who I thought might just be stopgap fillers who turned out to be excellent.

IMO, the mark of a good leader isn't one who nails every hire - that's not feasible. A good leader is one who recognizes he made a bad hire, rectifies it, and replaces the bad employee. Not admitting you effed up and allowing an underperforming employee to continue to disappoint you is weak.
 
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qwesley said:
The day before birth they can be killed, the day after birth...via Vox, plat's muse.

The case for changing the voting age to 0
House Democrats and Andrew Yang have pushed for a voting age of 16. That doesn’t go far enough.

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/9/10/20835327/voting-age-youth-rights-kids-vote
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In theoretical land, I have no problem with this. Those who are responsible for more kids should have more of a say in the future. Obviously there is a pretty big divide between the clown fiesta that exists and theoretical land.
 
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Lol just throwing darts and see where they land now.

You cant just claim something is a right then demand everyone else pay for it. Highly comical too as places like San Francisco wont allow high density housing

 
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BigBlueDave said:
God bless it, that's not even Babylon Bee.

Well, I guess we will have to compromise.

I want 36. They want 0.

Meet at 18?
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Or just go back to the people don't vote for anything except state level politics and our elite overlords pick congress and President. You know how the founders intended it to be since Conservatives always claim to be originalists.
 
KRJ1975 said:
As someone who has hired a lot of people over the years, all I can say is that hiring a crapshoot. Someone can interview like a champion and have great credentials, yet turn out to be a poor performer. Conversely, I've hired people out of "necessity" who I thought might just be stopgap fillers who turned out to be excellent.

IMO, the mark of a good leader isn't one who nails every hire - that's not feasible. A good leader is one who recognizes he made a bad hire, rectifies it, and replaces the bad employee. Not admitting you effed up and allowing an underperforming employee to continue to disappoint you is weak.
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What if everyone you hire sucks at their job?
 
Platinumdrgn said:
Or just go back to the people don't vote for anything except state level politics and our elite overlords pick congress and President. You know how the founders intended it to be since Conservatives always claim to be originalists.
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Any of you other idiots want to back Plat up here?


There is no way you read that and thought, "You made some interesting points Ms Libby Lib"


Plat, why don't we allow children to sign contracts?
 
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UKBrassowTipIN said:
Lol just throwing darts and see where they land now.

You cant just claim something is a right then demand everyone else pay for it. Highly comical too as places like San Francisco wont allow high density housing

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I mean what the hell does this even mean? I used to have to be stuck in San Jose traffic and it would take me 2.5 hours to go 40 miles to get to work. Does that mean it's my right to just find a place in downtown San Jose and demand I live there?

This is just getting beyond dumb. If we were able to time travel JFK to today, he would be looked at as an alt right nazi. His famous line "ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" would be viewed as a white nationalist dog whistle in today's age.

It really just shows how drastically the left has changed. Their ideal president of the past wouldn't be part of their party anymore. Hell Bill Clinton in the 90s wouldn't be in their party anymore.

If you don't blame everyone's problems on the country and rich people and you don't promise as much free shit as you can think of, you're not a Democrat anymore.
 
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KRJ1975 said:
Ranking presidents in my lifetime would go like this;

1. Reagan
2. Trump (so far)
3. Clinton
4. HW Bush
5. W Bush
6. Obama
7. Ford
8. Carter

The 70s must have really sucked (I was born in 1975.)
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I think it takes at least 10 if not more realistically 20 years to evaluate a presidents job. For some it may be 50 years or more. Reagan imo cannot be at the top of any list. People want to stroke him for his ending of the Cold War BUT honestly ending he Cold War made the world much more dangerous. During the Cold War it was USA vs Soviets. Now we have to contend with loose nukes, unprecedented terrorism really a geopolitical destabilization that gets worse by the year. Economically there was strong growth but that was spurned on by high rates and high inflation that was a lingering effect of the carter administration so he can’t be at the top either.

Clinton another one who in retrospect further damaged the country. Countless scandals, no response to terrorist, I mean al qaeda bombed our warship in Yemen and he did nothing. He basically left the USA vulnerable to a major terrorist attack but was more concerned about his scandals. Economically he rolled back protections enacted 70 years before him particularly glass steagal. Clinton’s policies really set the stage for the 2007-2008 economic crisis.

Obama? Too soon but he is a Reagan mini me. Got the economy back on track with spending but destabilized the entire Middle East. He has yet to be truly judged but early indications are that he was terrible for the world as a whole. Economically it’s hard to tell how bad Obama’s tenure hurt the country Bc he cooked the books in so many ways. I will give him this though. He stopped the severe bleeding on the recession.

Bush Jr. Lied about Iraq, spent like no other president before him but had to clean up Clinton’s mess of no action in the Middle East. He basically created a Petri dish for terrorism in the Middle East by going to war in Iraq. Bc of his spending we have trillion dollar deficits now.

Bush sr from that list may be the best of all presidents. While we encountered a minor recession economically and went to war he had the for sight to see that toppling Sadam would be very bad for the region. He and ford caused the least amount of damage imo.

Synopsis. They all suck. Some more than others. Trump isn’t close to entering an evaluation phase as he still has work to do. In the end though, Reagan was not a great president. The unforeseen consequences of ending the Cold War greatly destabilized the world. If you look at that list I’m sorry to say not one man on there was a real conservative. The Bush’s could have doubled as Dems and trump and Reagan at one point were Dems. Socially they have all failed us.
 
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P19978 said:
If our current environment... economically, foreign policy wise, etc... is the product of people who "suck"... then, by all means, please continue to give me bad candidates.

We are light years better off than 2008-16... only an idiot would dispute that.
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Only conservatives care about that shit. He's more concerned with important issues like Tranny bathrooms, free shit for illegals, and forgiving his 100K gender studies college debt, etc.
 
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Wildcats1st said:
I think it takes at least 10 if not more realistically 20 years to evaluate a presidents job. For some it may be 50 years or more. Reagan imo cannot be at the top of any list. People want to stroke him for his ending of the Cold War BUT honestly ending he Cold War made the world much more dangerous. During the Cold War it was USA vs Soviets. Now we have to contend with loose nukes, unprecedented terrorism really a geopolitical destabilization that gets worse by the year. Economically there was strong growth but that was spurned on by high rates and high inflation that was a lingering effect of the carter administration so he can’t be at the top either.

Clinton another one who in retrospect further damaged the country. Countless scandals, no response to terrorist, I mean al qaeda bombed our warship in Yemen and he did nothing. He basically left the USA vulnerable to a major terrorist attack but was more concerned about his scandals. Economically he rolled back protections enacted 70 years before him particularly glass steagal. Clinton’s policies really set the stage for the 2007-2008 economic crisis.

Obama? Too soon but he is a Reagan mini me. Got the economy back on track with spending but destabilized the entire Middle East. He has yet to be truly judged but early indications are that he was terrible for the world as a whole. Economically it’s hard to tell how bad Obama’s tenure hurt the country Bc he cooked the books in so many ways. I will give him this though. He stopped the severe bleeding on the recession.

Bush Jr. Lied about Iraq, spent like no other president before him but had to clean up Clinton’s mess of no action in the Middle East. He basically created a Petri dish for terrorism in the Middle East by going to war in Iraq. Bc of his spending we have trillion dollar deficits now.

Bush sr from that list may be the best of all presidents. While we encountered a minor recession economically and went to war he had the for sight to see that toppling Sadam would be very bad for the region. He and ford caused the least amount of damage imo.

Synopsis. They all suck. Some more than others. Trump isn’t close to entering an evaluation phase as he still has work to do. In the end though, Reagan was not a great president. The unforeseen consequences of ending the Cold War greatly destabilized the world. If you look at that list I’m sorry to say not one man on there was a real conservative. The Bush’s could have doubled as Dems and trump and Reagan at one point were Dems. Socially they have all failed us.
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I meant to add that the ranking wasn't on a "great to bad" scale. It's more like the top guys I'd label "satisfactory," the middle guys "disappointing," and the bottom guys "awful." Sad that we can't come up with better men to lead us.

Also, I agree on your comment regarding time required to fully evaluate. My list was simply based on what we know now. Again, just one man's opinion.
 
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Sawnee Cat said:
You nailed it. Carter completely turned me. He was incompetent and his wife was over bearing. I bought my first house in the 1960's with a 7% interest rate. I sold it during Carter and moved to a different town when my company transferred me. My interest rate was something like 18% or there about. It was painful. Everything was was bleak and of course he let Iran treat him like a little boy running and hiding.

We indeed did suck under Carter and the only person worse was Obama. I can't believe some still think Carter was a good president.
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I bought my house that i currently live in in 1978, applied for my loan that summer—locked in at 9 1/8%. that same week rate went to 9 1/4%, and kept rising until reaching 16% + in many places.
Looking at the rates in recent years i feel like i paid for my home twice over.
 
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Wildcats1st said:
I think it takes at least 10 if not more realistically 20 years to evaluate a presidents job. For some it may be 50 years or more. Reagan imo cannot be at the top of any list. People want to stroke him for his ending of the Cold War BUT honestly ending he Cold War made the world much more dangerous. During the Cold War it was USA vs Soviets. Now we have to contend with loose nukes, unprecedented terrorism really a geopolitical destabilization that gets worse by the year. Economically there was strong growth but that was spurned on by high rates and high inflation that was a lingering effect of the carter administration so he can’t be at the top either.

Clinton another one who in retrospect further damaged the country. Countless scandals, no response to terrorist, I mean al qaeda bombed our warship in Yemen and he did nothing. He basically left the USA vulnerable to a major terrorist attack but was more concerned about his scandals. Economically he rolled back protections enacted 70 years before him particularly glass steagal. Clinton’s policies really set the stage for the 2007-2008 economic crisis.

Obama? Too soon but he is a Reagan mini me. Got the economy back on track with spending but destabilized the entire Middle East. He has yet to be truly judged but early indications are that he was terrible for the world as a whole. Economically it’s hard to tell how bad Obama’s tenure hurt the country Bc he cooked the books in so many ways. I will give him this though. He stopped the severe bleeding on the recession.

Bush Jr. Lied about Iraq, spent like no other president before him but had to clean up Clinton’s mess of no action in the Middle East. He basically created a Petri dish for terrorism in the Middle East by going to war in Iraq. Bc of his spending we have trillion dollar deficits now.

Bush sr from that list may be the best of all presidents. While we encountered a minor recession economically and went to war he had the for sight to see that toppling Sadam would be very bad for the region. He and ford caused the least amount of damage imo.

Synopsis. They all suck. Some more than others. Trump isn’t close to entering an evaluation phase as he still has work to do. In the end though, Reagan was not a great president. The unforeseen consequences of ending the Cold War greatly destabilized the world. If you look at that list I’m sorry to say not one man on there was a real conservative. The Bush’s could have doubled as Dems and trump and Reagan at one point were Dems. Socially they have all failed us.
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It might be time to readjust your expectations from the president then. If every one of them is awful, then maybe that is the baseline you should expect from your president. It sounds like you are expecting way too much from the position. Im curious, who do you consider to be not a great, but just average or good president?
 
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Wildcats1st said:
I think it takes at least 10 if not more realistically 20 years to evaluate a presidents job. For some it may be 50 years or more. Reagan imo cannot be at the top of any list. People want to stroke him for his ending of the Cold War BUT honestly ending he Cold War made the world much more dangerous. During the Cold War it was USA vs Soviets. Now we have to contend with loose nukes, unprecedented terrorism really a geopolitical destabilization that gets worse by the year. Economically there was strong growth but that was spurned on by high rates and high inflation that was a lingering effect of the carter administration so he can’t be at the top either.

Clinton another one who in retrospect further damaged the country. Countless scandals, no response to terrorist, I mean al qaeda bombed our warship in Yemen and he did nothing. He basically left the USA vulnerable to a major terrorist attack but was more concerned about his scandals. Economically he rolled back protections enacted 70 years before him particularly glass steagal. Clinton’s policies really set the stage for the 2007-2008 economic crisis.

Obama? Too soon but he is a Reagan mini me. Got the economy back on track with spending but destabilized the entire Middle East. He has yet to be truly judged but early indications are that he was terrible for the world as a whole. Economically it’s hard to tell how bad Obama’s tenure hurt the country Bc he cooked the books in so many ways. I will give him this though. He stopped the severe bleeding on the recession.

Bush Jr. Lied about Iraq, spent like no other president before him but had to clean up Clinton’s mess of no action in the Middle East. He basically created a Petri dish for terrorism in the Middle East by going to war in Iraq. Bc of his spending we have trillion dollar deficits now.

Bush sr from that list may be the best of all presidents. While we encountered a minor recession economically and went to war he had the for sight to see that toppling Sadam would be very bad for the region. He and ford caused the least amount of damage imo.

Synopsis. They all suck. Some more than others. Trump isn’t close to entering an evaluation phase as he still has work to do. In the end though, Reagan was not a great president. The unforeseen consequences of ending the Cold War greatly destabilized the world. If you look at that list I’m sorry to say not one man on there was a real conservative. The Bush’s could have doubled as Dems and trump and Reagan at one point were Dems. Socially they have all failed us.
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I agree about judging a President, it takes time to fully grasp what was happening, and to forget what party they were a member.

I disagree wholeheartedly on Reagan, he was a great President. The country in 1980 was still in a funk from Vietnam, oil embargoes, inflation, Soviets and on and on. If he did nothing else, he brought the morale of the citizens back up from the disastrous 70's.
 
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I wonder how quickly Biden will fall, cause the fall is surely coming. The old Hemingway "gradually, then suddenly" line comes to mind. The far left is decidedly against Biden, which means - since the far left dominates twitter politics which is how media in 2019 decide what is relevant and right - the news media is against him. He's doddering, and won't be able to withstand the push to oust him. So, he's a goner, the only question is how ugly and merciless it will be.

After my deplorable (!) record at making predictions about the 2016 race, I hesitate to say anything, but if the current pecking order holds, that means either Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren is going to be the nominee. Which of course makes all the sense in the world - if you're party values identity above all else, the only conceivable nominee to run against an old white guy is either an old white guy or an old white woman.
 
Sawnee Cat said:
You nailed it. Carter completely turned me. He was incompetent and his wife was over bearing. I bought my first house in the 1960's with a 7% interest rate. I sold it during Carter and moved to a different town when my company transferred me. My interest rate was something like 18% or there about. It was painful. Everything was was bleak and of course he let Iran treat him like a little boy running and hiding.

We indeed did suck under Carter and the only person worse was Obama. I can't believe some still think Carter was a good president.
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Had a misery index.

The truth be known is, Carter caused the current homeless crisis. Keeping those whose faculties didn't allow them to function normally doing things such as paying bills, keeping up with daily needs and such, we're assisted in the half-way house styled environment. Carter stated that was inhuman. The people who had a home in that type environment were then....liberated and made to fend for themselves. Yeah good ole smiling Jimmy....thank him...
 
Bill Derington said:
I agree about judging a President, it takes time to fully grasp what was happening, and to forget what party they were a member.

I disagree wholeheartedly on Reagan, he was a great President. The country in 1980 was still in a funk from Vietnam, oil embargoes, inflation, Soviets and on and on. If he did nothing else, he brought the morale of the citizens back up from the disastrous 70's.
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And Carter's misery index. It was in deed a horrible time. I served under Reagan....thank the Lord.
 
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She is a sane Democrat, but still has some horrible policies. She is as anti 2nd amendment as they come pretty much. Wants to continue to raise the minimum wage, wants reparations, free college, eliminate the electoral college, end all nuclear power, and so on.

She is a candidate that could never win. She couldn't switch parities because of all the above view points, then she cant win with the progressives because she has been in the military, and has a horrible past with anti LGBT stuff. I mean she was proud she worked with her dad in an anti LGBT group that was pro conversion therapy haha.

Again I dont think she has the wacko personality that most of these people running have, but still the majority of his positions are horrible.
 
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