POLITICAL THREAD
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One of the best posts on the topic I've read. Worked in E Ky several years ago. At that time, lots of people who'd grown up working in the mines, and small businesses. They were among the most proud people I've ever known. They'd rather have done without than be dependent upon the gov. Times have changed there. The war on poverty has been a tremendous failure. In fact, it has effectively multiplied the numbers of impoverished. No desire to work; hopeless; no initiative that's what dependence on a faceless government will do for you....but they will vote democrat.
Boss,
It is true. With a decent education, healthy living and smart choices there's absolutely NO reason people can't make it without gov hand-outs.
I know people living in LA, NYC, and other large cities in this country that are working two and some times three jobs to make it and can't. If you can't see the stagnating wages and the growing wealth gap then there is nothing I can say to you. My argument today is going beyond all of this and saying the entire system sucks. All you guys want to say is government handouts. I'm not talking about government handouts. The rich are getting richer and richer and richer. And when I say rich I don't mean your buddy down the street that makes $250 thousand a year. I'm talking about dudes that are making 6 billion in twenty minutes. There is no reason that there should be this big of a gap in wealth. And if it's the system that is causing it then it needs to be scrapped.
You realize there are tons of government programs in place that are supposed to do exactly what you're saying.
I'm still waiting on your ideas.
Yet and still you pro illegal immigration I'm sure, or at least of the thought that their here and they should stay or that because trump wants them here legally or gone that he is racist!
The fact is, and it's happened since we were a country, is that immigrants have always been lowering wages......always! And that is still true today.
The problem is in the "smart decisions" part that idiots just don't get. Get out of LA, NYC etc if your not making it. It is that simple, there are jobs everywhere so you don't have to go to the biggest cities in the country.
I avg 40-45K per year and the wife is the same, and we have 3 kids, 2 car payments, a mortgage and other typical bills and we live. My parents did the same on about 24K a piece for years.
So maybe it's not the "go to work" part maybe it is the "smart decisions" that get people.
Either way democrats pit their top two political theories against each other all day long and the yuppie's eat it up and thing they are going to change it, they aren't.
No one has on either side so give Trump a shot, who knows maybe he is dumb enough to actually change something.
The fact is, and it's happened since we were a country, is that immigrants have always been lowering wages......always! And that is still true today.
The problem is in the "smart decisions" part that idiots just don't get. Get out of LA, NYC etc if your not making it. It is that simple, there are jobs everywhere so you don't have to go to the biggest cities in the country.
I avg 40-45K per year and the wife is the same, and we have 3 kids, 2 car payments, a mortgage and other typical bills and we live. My parents did the same on about 24K a piece for years.
So maybe it's not the "go to work" part maybe it is the "smart decisions" that get people.
Either way democrats pit their top two political theories against each other all day long and the yuppie's eat it up and thing they are going to change it, they aren't.
No one has on either side so give Trump a shot, who knows maybe he is dumb enough to actually change something.
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Hillary Clinton received 53% of all campaign contributions from Wall Street in March.
Why would people stay in places they can't make a living? It's a matter of choice. Where I live, a husband and wife could both work at McDonalds with one of them picking up some other part-time work and be able to have a roof over their heads and food on the table. If they make stupid choices, the matter becomes complicated.
I understand your thoughts on the $6 B guy, but it's not a systematic problem. The economic problems in our society can be traced to three issues: stupid decisions, laziness and greed. Unfortunately, the latter are character issues that cannot be corrected through social engineering, legislation and certainly not politics.
Name a single economic system that has not been plagued by greed and a sense of entitlement.
Fair enough. Good points. Especially the last about greed and entitlement. But it's pretty hard for some one to uproot and move to some where like Montana or Kentucky. If it were that easy I would imagine a lot more would be doing it.
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It is VERY hard to uproot. We thought about moving back to Kentucky. A nice three bedroom home in Fort Thomas, an awesome school district, is about 1/4 the cost of a similar home in LA. But we couldn't do it because all of my wife's family is in California or Hawaii and family is very important.
Whst I notice is that young, white families are leaving Southern California in droves to either Portland or Texas. Everyone else is staying put.
Whst I notice is that young, white families are leaving Southern California in droves to either Portland or Texas. Everyone else is staying put.
Agree. It's very hard to leave your home and family. It then becomes a matter of choice and not a systematic problem.
Of course.
We live in a free market. I think it's a good idea to move to a better job market if you're able, but it shouldn't be a steadfast rule that everyone follows. It's not for everyone.
Jockstrap (can't believe your name is saved in my spell check).
There is nothing free about our economy. More like venture capitalism. Libertarians are the only party to stabilize true capitalism
I don't mean that in the technical sense of the word. Just that people are free to buy whatever real estate they want, wherever it is, so long as they have the coin.
ram, progressive tax plans don't have to be about raising more money. They can be revenue neutral to any other plan. CCC/WPA type programs wouldn't bother me in the least.
If a competitor is willing to give them more...fine. They can go to their competitor. Costco has done very well limiting its executive compensation. Their CEO was paid $650K last year and their COO made $325K. At the same time WalMart was paying their CEO a total package of almost $19 million. Go check out the stock performance of the two. I am very happy that about 12 years ago I started investing in Costco because I believed in their mission. Operating in the same space as Sam's Club, Costco is able to pay its cashiers $25+/hour, offer up to 5 weeks paid vacation, 90% company paid healthcare premiums... It can do those things because it invests in its people, not in fancy corporate headquarters or fancy stores. It doesn't have to spend money on turnover and retraining new staff because people don't leave. Whereas WalMart/Sams Club has 70% turnover, Costco has less than 5%. The company values all of its employees from the top to the bottom.
Well, I guess with real estate, you're right. Buy property in some bum f*** area and you get a good deal.
I saw the San Fran thing and it damn near gave me a stroke in anger and I don't even live there.
If this country ever wants to generate taxes it simply just needs to get away from income taxes and increases national sales tax codes that are fair.
I'd pay 10% sales tax if I didn't have to pay income taxes. That's low enough that big purchases like cars/houses could have the same rate.
I'm sure there are down sides to this but everyone spends so illegal or not taxes are paid then.
I'd pay 10% sales tax if I didn't have to pay income taxes. That's low enough that big purchases like cars/houses could have the same rate.
I'm sure there are down sides to this but everyone spends so illegal or not taxes are paid then.
Already have taxes covered in my Federal prostitution, marijuana, gambling, cocaine act of 2016.
Next financial issue.
No joke.
I live by the Santa Anita racetrack. There are new 3 bedroom 2 bath town homes going for almost a mil. Taiwanese looking to launder their govt blackmail money snap them up as soon as they can build them.
Why are you putting up with it?
Move to Florida. Make just as much and you maybe we can smoke some crack. Our wives can talk some Malaysian bullshit. And we'll get tore up.
Would you mind a short, point by point summary of your platform?
Are you going for a write in campaign? 90% sure I'm voting for you....just want to make sure.
It's some perverted form of capitalism right now. Too many useless government interventions keeping it from working properly.
Stevo- absolutely. I have a plan. I am about to possibly take part in a practice with this lady for mental health to gain credibility. Second thing I want to establish is a guard because I am going to spout off some crazy shit. Practical stuff, butt crazy enough. I'm shit with numbers. But I get good accountant I can save this country money. I smoke a lot of weed. So that will have to be a selling point to future voters
Bifgblue, it's not a true free market and you know it.
I assume you are pro letsgettheeff to Mars. If so, you have my vote.
Jockstrap- I got you covered. We're kinda family since we married Malaysian chicks. I know it's kinda an unlikely arrangement. But you'll want someone who will cut.
The smart thing to do is start a campaign fund and a populist movement.....something catchy and a little outrageous. Get a lot of small donors from the lunatic fringe. You'll lose in a big way but nobody will give a crap because who are you, anyway? Small donors won't care because the little bit each gives is no skin off their ass either. You then pocket the campaign fund, buy an island in the Caribbean, and stay wasted for the next 40 years while country continues go go down the shitter.
Eff Mars. No less an authority than Elton John says it's cold as hell
hahahaha the most the important part in there.
Just need to pull an Enron and move to Amsterdam
It's still capitalism. Just an ineffective form. Far from free market
France hates TTIP. Corporations will never get everyone. They may get a few, but I am thankful for whistle blowers. Best thing that ever happened
How can anyone watch the profane games that are played with money on Wall Street and defend this system? The world economy is in ruins. Everywhere you look you see the disasters the money scammers have wrought with their bundled games that produce nothing other than fake schemes to reshuffle the deck and take some obscene profit off the ensuing confusions and lies that for some strange damned reason we are told is not illegal. How many more "Wolves of Wall Street" do we need to suffer before we collectively say this shit is not right?
Past the time to string these thieves up by the neck in droves. Millions of lives and the very fabric of the world economy has been devastated. The confidence the world has in us, the dollar, our political system, our country as a whole.... has been shattered.
And yet people somehow conclude too much Government regulation is the problem? It just boggles the mind at the utter complete stupidity that is beyond reasoning to out there. I want to live away from these people. I no longer can stand to be exposed to such abhorrent utter idiocy. If you think too much Government regulation is what has caused basically the world economy to collapse then you are a goddamned idiot. Period.
Past the time to string these thieves up by the neck in droves. Millions of lives and the very fabric of the world economy has been devastated. The confidence the world has in us, the dollar, our political system, our country as a whole.... has been shattered.
And yet people somehow conclude too much Government regulation is the problem? It just boggles the mind at the utter complete stupidity that is beyond reasoning to out there. I want to live away from these people. I no longer can stand to be exposed to such abhorrent utter idiocy. If you think too much Government regulation is what has caused basically the world economy to collapse then you are a goddamned idiot. Period.
You maybe right.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ading-the-effort-to-draft-an-independent-bid/
The neo-con establishment seem willing to cut off their noses to spite Trump.
Which is funny that they pushed Trump into signing all these pledges to not run as an independent.
Yeah, so working stiffs that live paycheck to paycheck would pay taxes on 100% of their earnings while folks that earn 6-7-8 figures might only do so on 10% of their earnings.
And lol on only a 10% rate... there are states that have sales taxes nearly that high. TN's sales tax is 9.45%, AR 9.26%, LA, AL, OK all have sales taxes > 8.75%.
