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Are you saying that scientist agree, that if everything stays status-quo for the next 12 years, the world will end? You are just as crazy as AOC is.
You always bring that up as if Trump is the only person who found a way out of the draft. Muhammed Ali is an icon for it.
Christ, I mean libs are supposed to be the anti-war crew, specifically when it comes to that war. They spent about two decades protesting it and yelling at anyone associated with it.
Trumpy decided he'd rather do other things than go to war. Folks are going to have to get over it. Kind of damned no matter what you do situation. Had he gone to war like McCaine he'd be a war hawk. Dodging it made him a dodger. Putting up a Trump tower and marrying a Vietnamese model who speaks 7 languages would make him an Imperialist, but not a globalist in an interracial marriage worthy of the left's gushing.
I'm well aware that Trump is a New Yorker who has no filter. His bully tactics that he sharpened dealing with contractors and board room types aren't always best for what he's doing now. I do really wish those in his inner circle would reign him in sometimes.
I'm not a Trumper or bust kind of guy. Plenty of things he and his admin can do better, but overall and contrary to what many would have us believe the world has not ended yet. Things are chugging along in a positive direction generally speaking.
Things are only "chugging along in a positive direction" if libs are in power, in their minds. This is all about power and truth/facts have nothing to do with it. In their minds if libs are in power="positive direction", if conservatives are in power= "the global economy will collapse, another world war will occur, America is doomed".
I'll simply say this, in this country equal protection under the law is not practiced as much as it is bandied about, and the worst example of that is the disproportionate sentencing handed to POC by our extremely biased justice system.
One of the pillars of this country for me is the preamble where it gloriously speaks of "establishing justice" and promoting "the general welfare" and another pillar, The Gettysburg Address, where it states, "Fourscore and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, on this continent, a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal." Simply put we have not kept that promise by the new country and it doesn't take a Marxist to know that. Socialism has been with us every since if not before FDR and following Roosevelt's New Deal American capitalism worked very well indeed. AOC makes a damn good point, we always seem capable of paying for war, valid or not, but we can never seem to work up the courage to do what is proposed by the pillars of our country. We are more feudal than free.
Just because you cannot comprehend what people are saying doesn't mean they are wrong.
Show the data where the "majority" of scientist agree that if nothing changes the world will end in 12 years. Well, actually in 11 years and 9 months from now. She said it on Jan 22 2019, so go dig up your data, I can wait....
She said what she said not because it's true but to rally her base, and the idiot sheep for her "green deal". That's it, she wants people to live a certain way, that she approves of. So she goes I know, lets make up some "facts", we can then push those "facts" to get what I want. Then sheep like yourself promote it, because you agree with her.
Agree that equal protection isn't equally distributed
But you're making a mistake by leaning on the statistical disparity of the prison population
I think we should all be able to agree that if ANYONE is imprisoned wrongly -- that's unjust and heinous and it should be corrected as quickly as possible
But - we KNOW there's a correlation between the breakdown of the family and a) poverty and b) increased likelihood of children being exposed to or adopting criminal behavior
there are plenty of sociology papers / peer reviewed literature that supports this - and it passes the common sense test as well
Where the family structure has eroded or been destroyed - you'll find more risk for crime, more poverty and more children growing up in a cycle that's hard to break free of
Black families have eroded and/or been damaged at a higher rate than any other racial group
and THAT - more than anything else IMO - has lead to a higher prevalence in crime rate among black / AA's in the USA
and that's one of the reasons why your prison population seems to present a statistical disparity......
having said that -- the breakdown of latino and caucasian families is catching up
everywhere I've looked for reliable statistics - you'll always find Asian families remaining in tact better than others
and that should lead to a conversation about who's attacking the family structure and why......
has any group (political or otherwise) ever OPENLY STATED that one of their goals is to DESTROY the family structure?
(hint -- yes)
it's really NOT a factor of "race" in this case
it's a factor of families falling apart more than anything else
are there other factors? yes
but you can't overlook that major driver of events
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as for the socialism bit -- you haven't SEEN Marxist Socialism yet
we've not experienced what that's like
you can read dissident Soviet authors to get it straight from the horses mouth .... and it's hellish
worse than what the Nazi's did
I can entertain a rational conversation about pre-Marx / French socialism to some extent......but that's a whole different set of rules
If you're in favor of "Socialism" - you REALLY need to know whether or not you're supporting someone who falls on the Marxist side of the ideology or not..........
If you're just talking about regulation in a different way .... taxation at higher rates here or there to try and bring 'economic justice' (or something like it)......then that's not Marx & I don't really have a problem with you
(doesn't mean we'll agree of course)
I can post more later to support the distinction I'm making here if you're interested
If not - that's cool too
Trump gains no points in continuing to bash McCain. We know the real McCain and what a bitter person he was but Trump needs to let it go.
If we want equal protection - and if we want to see a more just society
Don't we have to start with a govt that's kept in check?
Ours has run amok -- I think we agree there
but Marx's socialism would take all that power and put it into the hands of a lot fewer people
and they'd have a LOT less checks to their power
and , according to Marx, they will eventually 'progress" to the next stage of human evolution ..... which is Communism
that's what socialism was intended to do from the onset in his twisted mind
and from communism.......we're supposed to evolve into a 'State-less society' where government is no longer needed
freakin eh
I was researching eugenics and now I'm about to reach for the "Gulag Archipelago" again ....
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As long as Trump, his family and his friends are all dealing with the bullshit fallout from a bullshit witch hunt McCain helped craft with the bullshit dossier he played a huge part in promoting, Trump gets a pass for anything he says about that sorry treasonous sack of shit McCain.
You have valid points mixed in with mishmash words. Your point about the damage done to black families and the affect poverty has is well taken but you've seem to ignored entirely the disproportionate sentences handed out for the same crime. Come on my man you know you can look at those figures just as well as I can. Man you weren't even aware of Brock Turner and his case. Use your intellect for good! LOL
As far as your fear of Marxism, I'll consider that to be a threat when the fascist plutocratic lurch we are currently seeing is put down. I do agree with you that I have not seen Marxist communism in this country and the people that have first hand were far closer to my POV than the right wing nut jobs today. If you dispute that you can look up and actually watch President Eisenhower give his farewell speech. I suggest you do that anyway as he was far more prescient than people give him credit for.
History is a big place mi amigo
I really don’t recognize some of the references you’re making but it’s not a willful blindness
There’s just too little time to learn a lot of the things we should know about
Plenty of people who will gladly obfuscate history/current events as well
I’ll make it a point to look up the man you’re referencing (this weekend)
Funny you mentioned Eisenhower
I was thinking about his reference to the “military industrial complex “
(Credited with coining the term?)
He was on my mind when we discussed Boeing and - by extension - my employer
We agree so much and on that I agree.If we want equal protection - and if we want to see a more just society
Don't we have to start with a govt that's kept in check?
Ours has run amok -- I think we agree there
but Marx's socialism would take all that power and put it into the hands of a lot fewer people
and they'd have a LOT less checks to their power
and , according to Marx, they will eventually 'progress" to the next stage of human evolution ..... which is Communism
that's what socialism was intended to do from the onset in his twisted mind
and from communism.......we're supposed to evolve into a 'State-less society' where government is no longer needed
freakin eh
I was researching eugenics and now I'm about to reach for the "Gulag Archipelago" again ....
I just don't have the same fatalistic take on socialism as you. Like I said earlier the USA has had socialist programs integrated in its government for years and did not suffer for it, certainly throwing large dollar bills at un-needed wars was far worse for us than the New Deal. I also would point to the european countries that are a mixture of regulated capitalism alongside regulated socialist programs that have made for the most content nations on earth presently. To me after watching what has taken place south of our border for 5 decades and studying several decades before that right wing fascism is the main threat today, even the breakdown of terrorists bears that out.
She has become irrelevant like Levi'sbooty so, she has to jump in where ever she can.
We agree so much and on that I agree.
I understand you don’t have the same “fatalistic “ view
And I DO get that I must appear as disproportionally outspoken on Marx
I’ve mentioned it before - it was the revelation of how nightmarish the Lenin/Stalin period was - Mao overlaps at the end of that period I THINK (1953)
But you’re simultaneously admitting that you don’t know of Solzhenitsyn and his experience/literary work about the revolution and the gulags - barbaric systemic slavery frequently resulting in death within months .,..and the vast array of camps - paranoia- laws that could get you arrested for taking photos of a bridge (anti terror legislation anyone?)
Hey - what did you mean by that “won’t consider you a threat until the patriarchy is overthrown “
Then that’s homework
Thank you for suggesting it with the fire you did
The same FIRE that incinerates the hope and - even the enthusiasm for life - from the WOFFORD.....Danes?.........we got an hour to tip off booty
Why should a system like that be trusted again?
Also — I wanna see Reid Travis assert early and surly muchacho
A standard of living neither she or the other politicians that support it will even try to live.
Oh I know a little about that period, I had a history teacher in high school who was 100X as intense as yourself. Horrid films were the course of the day. Of course that was not so removed from the time of "the Red Scare". LOL
As for your last line excuse my forgetfulness, (its a real thing---I think---) but I'll need some context to remember what I meant.
Really illegal, or illegal like the time they claimed reading the DNC emails was illegal?
Outstanding book. I’ve read it three times. It should be required reading for all high school students and again for college students.If we want equal protection - and if we want to see a more just society
Don't we have to start with a govt that's kept in check?
Ours has run amok -- I think we agree there
I was researching eugenics and now I'm about to reach for the "Gulag Archipelago" again ....
The media tried to blend the definition of meddling and collusion to mean the same. Did Russia try to cause choas... yes. As they have in every election since the start of the cold war. And the MSM bought right in and did what they wanted...to blame then where all they had to do was kick their feet up
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