POLITICAL THREAD

[CastleRubric]

Damn I'm going to have to call BS here. Go to the prisons look at proportion and population or crack vs cocaine sentencing, and then talk to me about Marxist type agitation where equality and justice are synonymous! What was that little white Stanford puppy who got excuse of rape by the lily white Stanford judge? One of thousands of miscarriages?

You’re latching onto truth when you try and point out that there are people who have a god-complex and genuinely abhor others for the collection of traits we generally call “race”

I don’t know what you mean by the Stanford reference though

What’s heartbreaking though is how outspoken many institutions and individuals were in this nation up through the 1920s and into the early 30’s on the matter of EUGENICS

In fact the racial purity/ build a master race of thoroughbreds ideas advanced by hitler and the nazis..originated in The United States and England I’m afraid

In fact STANFORD university had a strong role in that movement

If you like I can provide the links / sources and breadcrumbs between tonight and tomorrow

Gotta warn you (the “wider you “) though ....once you see thi s ....you won’t be able to UNSEE it

But don’t let yourself get sucked into the rage ...that’s how you turn into a pawn, my friend

The people The Mostly White People who drive the eugenic studies and forced sterilizations and held race “fairs” etc etc.....don’t represent all whites people either

People like that have fallen into a kind of god-complex and are sick

But they were also quick and ready to eliminate poor Irish / rural “white trash” too ....:

They still are actually

 

[Bill Cosby]

Be nice if serving in Congress wasn't so lucrative people would want to do it for life.

Obviously there's less of a chance of that problem being fixed than implementing term limits.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

I do believe there are some that should be tried for treason

Convinced of it actually

Tried and convicted

 

[delk4three]

Actually you are mis-representing her views to an extreme, it is intellectually dishonest of you. Her belief is contingent on our actions in the near future and most scientists agree with her.

Are you saying that scientist agree, that if everything stays status-quo for the next 12 years, the world will end? You are just as crazy as AOC is.

 

[CastleRubric]

People are waking up all around the planet
“Trump” is a

Tried and convicted

During a time of war?

 

[truebluewildcat]

Yes but extremely privileged rich white guys do. Hell they can even have their daddy keep them out of Vietnam and then claim they know more than all our generals do about the military.

You always bring that up as if Trump is the only person who found a way out of the draft. Muhammed Ali is an icon for it.

Christ, I mean libs are supposed to be the anti-war crew, specifically when it comes to that war. They spent about two decades protesting it and yelling at anyone associated with it.

Trumpy decided he'd rather do other things than go to war. Folks are going to have to get over it. Kind of damned no matter what you do situation. Had he gone to war like McCaine he'd be a war hawk. Dodging it made him a dodger. Putting up a Trump tower and marrying a Vietnamese model who speaks 7 languages would make him an Imperialist, but not a globalist in an interracial marriage worthy of the left's gushing.

Oh and the champion in chief for name calling is in the White House. You're just not very good at this.

I'm well aware that Trump is a New Yorker who has no filter. His bully tactics that he sharpened dealing with contractors and board room types aren't always best for what he's doing now. I do really wish those in his inner circle would reign him in sometimes.

I'm not a Trumper or bust kind of guy. Plenty of things he and his admin can do better, but overall and contrary to what many would have us believe the world has not ended yet. Things are chugging along in a positive direction generally speaking.

 

[delk4three]

You always bring that up as if Trump is the only person who found a way out of the draft. Muhammed Ali is an icon for it.

Christ, I mean libs are supposed to be the anti-war crew, specifically when it comes to that war. They spent about two decades protesting it and yelling at anyone associated with it.

Trumpy decided he'd rather do other things than go to war. Folks are going to have to get over it. Kind of damned no matter what you do situation. Had he gone to war like McCaine he'd be a war hawk. Dodging it made him a dodger. Putting up a Trump tower and marrying a Vietnamese model who speaks 7 languages would make him an Imperialist, but not a globalist in an interracial marriage worthy of the left's gushing.



I'm well aware that Trump is a New Yorker who has no filter. His bully tactics that he sharpened dealing with contractors and board room types aren't always best for what he's doing now. I do really wish those in his inner circle would reign him in sometimes.

I'm not a Trumper or bust kind of guy. Plenty of things he and his admin can do better, but overall and contrary to what many would have us believe the world has not ended yet. Things are chugging along in a positive direction generally speaking.

Things are only "chugging along in a positive direction" if libs are in power, in their minds. This is all about power and truth/facts have nothing to do with it. In their minds if libs are in power="positive direction", if conservatives are in power= "the global economy will collapse, another world war will occur, America is doomed".

 

[Levibooty]

You’re latching onto truth when you try and point out that there are people who have a god-complex and genuinely abhor others for the collection of traits we generally call “race”

I don’t know what you mean by the Stanford reference though

What’s heartbreaking though is how outspoken many institutions and individuals were in this nation up through the 1920s and into the early 30’s on the matter of EUGENICS

In fact the racial purity/ build a master race of thoroughbreds ideas advanced by hitler and the nazis..originated in The United States and England I’m afraid

In fact STANFORD university had a strong role in that movement

If you like I can provide the links / sources and breadcrumbs between tonight and tomorrow

Gotta warn you (the “wider you “) though ....once you see thi s ....you won’t be able to UNSEE it

But don’t let yourself get sucked into the rage ...that’s how you turn into a pawn, my friend

The people The Mostly White People who drive the eugenic studies and forced sterilizations and held race “fairs” etc etc.....don’t represent all whites people either

People like that have fallen into a kind of god-complex and are sick

But they were also quick and ready to eliminate poor Irish / rural “white trash” too ....:

They still are actually

I'll simply say this, in this country equal protection under the law is not practiced as much as it is bandied about, and the worst example of that is the disproportionate sentencing handed to POC by our extremely biased justice system.
One of the pillars of this country for me is the preamble where it gloriously speaks of "establishing justice" and promoting "the general welfare" and another pillar, The Gettysburg Address, where it states, "Fourscore and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, on this continent, a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal." Simply put we have not kept that promise by the new country and it doesn't take a Marxist to know that. Socialism has been with us every since if not before FDR and following Roosevelt's New Deal American capitalism worked very well indeed. AOC makes a damn good point, we always seem capable of paying for war, valid or not, but we can never seem to work up the courage to do what is proposed by the pillars of our country. We are more feudal than free.

 

[Levibooty]

Things are only "chugging along in a positive direction" if libs are in power, in their minds. This is all about power and truth/facts have nothing to do with it. In their minds if libs are in power="positive direction", if conservatives are in power= "the global economy will collapse, another world war will occur, America is doomed".

Kind of hard to argue that is not the record.

 

[Levibooty]

Are you saying that scientist agree, that if everything stays status-quo for the next 12 years, the world will end? You are just as crazy as AOC is.

Just because you cannot comprehend what people are saying doesn't mean they are wrong.

 

[delk4three]

Just because you cannot comprehend what people are saying doesn't mean they are wrong.

Show the data where the "majority" of scientist agree that if nothing changes the world will end in 12 years. Well, actually in 11 years and 9 months from now. She said it on Jan 22 2019, so go dig up your data, I can wait....

 

[delk4three]

Just because you cannot comprehend what people are saying doesn't mean they are wrong.

She said what she said not because it's true but to rally her base, and the idiot sheep for her "green deal". That's it, she wants people to live a certain way, that she approves of. So she goes I know, lets make up some "facts", we can then push those "facts" to get what I want. Then sheep like yourself promote it, because you agree with her.

 

[CastleRubric]

I'll simply say this, in this country equal protection under the law is not practiced as much as it is bandied about, and the worst example of that is the disproportionate sentencing handed to ,,,,,,We are more feudal than free.

Agree that equal protection isn't equally distributed

But you're making a mistake by leaning on the statistical disparity of the prison population

I think we should all be able to agree that if ANYONE is imprisoned wrongly -- that's unjust and heinous and it should be corrected as quickly as possible

But - we KNOW there's a correlation between the breakdown of the family and a) poverty and b) increased likelihood of children being exposed to or adopting criminal behavior

there are plenty of sociology papers / peer reviewed literature that supports this - and it passes the common sense test as well

Where the family structure has eroded or been destroyed - you'll find more risk for crime, more poverty and more children growing up in a cycle that's hard to break free of

Black families have eroded and/or been damaged at a higher rate than any other racial group

and THAT - more than anything else IMO - has lead to a higher prevalence in crime rate among black / AA's in the USA

and that's one of the reasons why your prison population seems to present a statistical disparity......

having said that -- the breakdown of latino and caucasian families is catching up
everywhere I've looked for reliable statistics - you'll always find Asian families remaining in tact better than others


and that should lead to a conversation about who's attacking the family structure and why......
has any group (political or otherwise) ever OPENLY STATED that one of their goals is to DESTROY the family structure?

(hint -- yes)


it's really NOT a factor of "race" in this case
it's a factor of families falling apart more than anything else

are there other factors? yes
but you can't overlook that major driver of events



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as for the socialism bit -- you haven't SEEN Marxist Socialism yet
we've not experienced what that's like

you can read dissident Soviet authors to get it straight from the horses mouth .... and it's hellish

worse than what the Nazi's did


I can entertain a rational conversation about pre-Marx / French socialism to some extent......but that's a whole different set of rules

If you're in favor of "Socialism" - you REALLY need to know whether or not you're supporting someone who falls on the Marxist side of the ideology or not..........

If you're just talking about regulation in a different way .... taxation at higher rates here or there to try and bring 'economic justice' (or something like it)......then that's not Marx & I don't really have a problem with you
(doesn't mean we'll agree of course)


I can post more later to support the distinction I'm making here if you're interested

If not - that's cool too

 

[Catfan in Tn.]

Trump gains no points in continuing to bash McCain. We know the real McCain and what a bitter person he was but Trump needs to let it go.

 

[CastleRubric]

I'll simply say this, in this country equal protection under the law is not practiced as much as it is bandied's New Deal American capitalism worked very well indeed. AOC makes a damn good point, we always seem capable of paying for war, valid or not, but we can never seem to work up the courage to do what is proposed by the pillars of our country. We are more feudal than free.

If we want equal protection - and if we want to see a more just society
Don't we have to start with a govt that's kept in check?

Ours has run amok -- I think we agree there

but Marx's socialism would take all that power and put it into the hands of a lot fewer people

and they'd have a LOT less checks to their power

and , according to Marx, they will eventually 'progress" to the next stage of human evolution ..... which is Communism

that's what socialism was intended to do from the onset in his twisted mind


and from communism.......we're supposed to evolve into a 'State-less society' where government is no longer needed

freakin eh
I was researching eugenics and now I'm about to reach for the "Gulag Archipelago" again ....

 

[AustinTXCat]

You should read better you blithering idiot.

 

[Bill Cosby]

Trump gains no points in continuing to bash McCain. We know the real McCain and what a bitter person he was but Trump needs to let it go.

As long as Trump, his family and his friends are all dealing with the bullshit fallout from a bullshit witch hunt McCain helped craft with the bullshit dossier he played a huge part in promoting, Trump gets a pass for anything he says about that sorry treasonous sack of shit McCain.

 

[Bill Cosby]

That bag of milk Megan can eat shit too as long as Trump's children are dealing with the bullshit her father helped start.

 

[WKBlu]

Jeffrey Toobin saying "let's be fair here" hahaha

 

[Levibooty]

Show the data where the "majority" of scientist agree that if nothing changes the world will end in 12 years. Well, actually in 11 years and 9 months from now. She said it on Jan 22 2019, so go dig up your data, I can wait....

What you can't type in what you want to know? Laziness won't help.

 

[Levibooty]

She said what she said not because it's true but to rally her base, and the idiot sheep for her "green deal". That's it, she wants people to live a certain way, that she approves of. So she goes I know, lets make up some "facts", we can then push those "facts" to get what I want. Then sheep like yourself promote it, because you agree with her.

Now you've lost my interest in talking with you. Do some research.

 

[homeytheclown]

Trump gains no points in continuing to bash McCain. We know the real McCain and what a bitter person he was but Trump needs to let it go.

He can’t slam mccain enough imo there are no rules or decorum anymore

 

[WKBlu]

 

[Levibooty]

Agree that equal protection isn't equally distributed

But you're making a mistake by leaning on the statistical disparity of the prison population

I think we should all be able to agree that if ANYONE is imprisoned wrongly -- that's unjust and heinous and it should be corrected as quickly as possible

But - we KNOW there's a correlation between the breakdown of the family and a) poverty and b) increased likelihood of children being exposed to or adopting criminal behavior

there are plenty of sociology papers / peer reviewed literature that supports this - and it passes the common sense test as well

Where the family structure has eroded or been destroyed - you'll find more risk for crime, more poverty and more children growing up in a cycle that's hard to break free of

Black families have eroded and/or been damaged at a higher rate than any other racial group

and THAT - more than anything else IMO - has lead to a higher prevalence in crime rate among black / AA's in the USA

and that's one of the reasons why your prison population seems to present a statistical disparity......

having said that -- the breakdown of latino and caucasian families is catching up
everywhere I've looked for reliable statistics - you'll always find Asian families remaining in tact better than others


and that should lead to a conversation about who's attacking the family structure and why......
has any group (political or otherwise) ever OPENLY STATED that one of their goals is to DESTROY the family structure?

(hint -- yes)


it's really NOT a factor of "race" in this case
it's a factor of families falling apart more than anything else

are there other factors? yes
but you can't overlook that major driver of events



-----

as for the socialism bit -- you haven't SEEN Marxist Socialism yet
we've not experienced what that's like

you can read dissident Soviet authors to get it straight from the horses mouth .... and it's hellish

worse than what the Nazi's did


I can entertain a rational conversation about pre-Marx / French socialism to some extent......but that's a whole different set of rules

If you're in favor of "Socialism" - you REALLY need to know whether or not you're supporting someone who falls on the Marxist side of the ideology or not..........

If you're just talking about regulation in a different way .... taxation at higher rates here or there to try and bring 'economic justice' (or something like it)......then that's not Marx & I don't really have a problem with you
(doesn't mean we'll agree of course)


I can post more later to support the distinction I'm making here if you're interested

If not - that's cool too

You have valid points mixed in with mishmash words. Your point about the damage done to black families and the affect poverty has is well taken but you've seem to ignored entirely the disproportionate sentences handed out for the same crime. Come on my man you know you can look at those figures just as well as I can. Man you weren't even aware of Brock Turner and his case. Use your intellect for good! LOL

As far as your fear of Marxism, I'll consider that to be a threat when the fascist plutocratic lurch we are currently seeing is put down. I do agree with you that I have not seen Marxist communism in this country and the people that have first hand were far closer to my POV than the right wing nut jobs today. If you dispute that you can look up and actually watch President Eisenhower give his farewell speech. I suggest you do that anyway as he was far more prescient than people give him credit for.

 

[CastleRubric]

You have valid points mixed in with mishmash words. Your point about the damage done to black families and the affect poverty has is well taken but you've seem to ignored entirely the disproportionate sentences handed out for the same crime. Come on my man you know you can look at those figures just as well as I can. Man you weren't even aware of Brock Turner and his case. Use your intellect for good! LOL

As far as your fear of Marxism, I'll consider that to be a threat when the fascist plutocratic lurch we are currently seeing is put down. I do agree with you that I have not seen Marxist communism in this country and the people that have first hand were far closer to my POV than the right wing nut jobs today. If you dispute that you can look up and actually watch President Eisenhower give his farewell speech. I suggest you do that anyway as he was far more prescient than people give him credit for.

History is a big place mi amigo

I really don’t recognize some of the references you’re making but it’s not a willful blindness

There’s just too little time to learn a lot of the things we should know about

Plenty of people who will gladly obfuscate history/current events as well


I’ll make it a point to look up the man you’re referencing (this weekend)

 

[CastleRubric]

You have valid points mixed in with mishmash words. Your point about the damage done to black families and the affect poverty has is well taken but you've seem to ignored entirely the disproportionate sentences handed out for the same crime. Come on my man you know you can look at those figures just as well as I can. Man you weren't even aware of Brock Turner and his case. Use your intellect for good! LOL

As far as your fear of Marxism, I'll consider that to be a threat when the fascist plutocratic lurch we are currently seeing is put down. I do agree with you that I have not seen Marxist communism in this country and the people that have first hand were far closer to my POV than the right wing nut jobs today. If you dispute that you can look up and actually watch President Eisenhower give his farewell speech. I suggest you do that anyway as he was far more prescient than people give him credit for.

Funny you mentioned Eisenhower

I was thinking about his reference to the “military industrial complex “
(Credited with coining the term?)

He was on my mind when we discussed Boeing and - by extension - my employer

 

[Levibooty]

If we want equal protection - and if we want to see a more just society
Don't we have to start with a govt that's kept in check?

Ours has run amok -- I think we agree there

but Marx's socialism would take all that power and put it into the hands of a lot fewer people

and they'd have a LOT less checks to their power

and , according to Marx, they will eventually 'progress" to the next stage of human evolution ..... which is Communism

that's what socialism was intended to do from the onset in his twisted mind


and from communism.......we're supposed to evolve into a 'State-less society' where government is no longer needed

freakin eh
I was researching eugenics and now I'm about to reach for the "Gulag Archipelago" again ....

We agree so much and on that I agree. I just don't have the same fatalistic take on socialism as you. Like I said earlier the USA has had socialist programs integrated in its government for years and did not suffer for it, certainly throwing large dollar bills at un-needed wars was far worse for us than the New Deal. I also would point to the european countries that are a mixture of regulated capitalism alongside regulated socialist programs that have made for the most content nations on earth presently. To me after watching what has taken place south of our border for 5 decades and studying several decades before that right wing fascism is the main threat today, even the breakdown of terrorists bears that out.

 

[screwduke1]

Its like Chrustmas morning. A coming UK win today plus this coming out.

 

[Levibooty]

Funny you mentioned Eisenhower

I was thinking about his reference to the “military industrial complex “
(Credited with coining the term?)

He was on my mind when we discussed Boeing and - by extension - my employer

That speech---the same one I mentioned--is so much more than just that.

 

[warrior-cat]

Umm ok...

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She has become irrelevant like Levi'sbooty so, she has to jump in where ever she can.

 

[vhcat70]

The most important piece you can read today:
“Top Ukrainian justice official says US ambassador gave him a do not prosecute list”

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I don't understand this.

 

[Levibooty]

Castle:
https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/...achr_racial_disparities_aclu_submission_0.pdf

 

[CastleRubric]

We agree so much and on that I agree. I just don't have the same fatalistic take on socialism as you. Like I said earlier the USA has had socialist programs integrated in its government for years and did not suffer for it, certainly throwing large dollar bills at un-needed wars was far worse for us than the New Deal. I also would point to the european countries that are a mixture of regulated capitalism alongside regulated socialist programs that have made for the most content nations on earth presently. To me after watching what has taken place south of our border for 5 decades and studying several decades before that right wing fascism is the main threat today, even the breakdown of terrorists bears that out.

I understand you don’t have the same “fatalistic “ view

And I DO get that I must appear as disproportionally outspoken on Marx

I’ve mentioned it before - it was the revelation of how nightmarish the Lenin/Stalin period was - Mao overlaps at the end of that period I THINK (1953)

But you’re simultaneously admitting that you don’t know of Solzhenitsyn and his experience/literary work about the revolution and the gulags - barbaric systemic slavery frequently resulting in death within months .,..and the vast array of camps - paranoia- laws that could get you arrested for taking photos of a bridge (anti terror legislation anyone?)




Hey - what did you mean by that “won’t consider you a threat until the patriarchy is overthrown “

 

[CastleRubric]

That speech---the same one I mentioned--is so much more than just that.

Then that’s homework

Thank you for suggesting it with the fire you did

The same FIRE that incinerates the hope and - even the enthusiasm for life - from the WOFFORD.....Danes?.........we got an hour to tip off booty

 

[CastleRubric]

I understand you don’t have the same “fatalistic “ view

And I DO get that I must appear as disproportionally outspoken on Marx

I’ve mentioned it before - it was the revelation of how nightmarish the Lenin/Stalin period was - Mao overlaps at the end of that period I THINK (1953)

But you’re simultaneously admitting that you don’t know of Solzhenitsyn and his experience/literary work about the revolution and the gulags - barbaric systemic slavery frequently resulting in death within months .,..and the vast array of camps - paranoia- laws that could get you arrested for taking photos of a bridge (anti terror legislation anyone?)




Hey - what did you mean by that “won’t consider you a threat until the patriarchy is overthrown “

Why should a system like that be trusted again?


Also — I wanna see Reid Travis assert early and surly muchacho

 

[warrior-cat]

She said what she said not because it's true but to rally her base, and the idiot sheep for her "green deal". That's it, she wants people to live a certain way, that she approves of. So she goes I know, lets make up some "facts", we can then push those "facts" to get what I want. Then sheep like yourself promote it, because you agree with her.

A standard of living neither she or the other politicians that support it will even try to live.

 

[screwduke1]

 

[Levibooty]

I understand you don’t have the same “fatalistic “ view

And I DO get that I must appear as disproportionally outspoken on Marx

I’ve mentioned it before - it was the revelation of how nightmarish the Lenin/Stalin period was - Mao overlaps at the end of that period I THINK (1953)

But you’re simultaneously admitting that you don’t know of Solzhenitsyn and his experience/literary work about the revolution and the gulags - barbaric systemic slavery frequently resulting in death within months .,..and the vast array of camps - paranoia- laws that could get you arrested for taking photos of a bridge (anti terror legislation anyone?)




Hey - what did you mean by that “won’t consider you a threat until the patriarchy is overthrown “

Oh I know a little about that period, I had a history teacher in high school who was 100X as intense as yourself. Horrid films were the course of the day. Of course that was not so removed from the time of "the Red Scare". LOL

As for your last line excuse my forgetfulness, (its a real thing---I think---) but I'll need some context to remember what I meant.

 

[Bill Cosby]

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Really illegal, or illegal like the time they claimed reading the DNC emails was illegal?

 

[Levibooty]

Castle lets kick some but!