POLITICAL THREAD

[ukalum1988]

If we want equal protection - and if we want to see a more just society
Don't we have to start with a govt that's kept in check?

Ours has run amok -- I think we agree there

I was researching eugenics and now I'm about to reach for the "Gulag Archipelago" again ....

Outstanding book. I’ve read it three times. It should be required reading for all high school students and again for college students.

 

[UKBrassowTipIN]

Call me a dumbass too, but what makes you think there wasn't, isn't ongoing for that matter, Russian meddling? I think there's likelihood. But Trump had nothing to do with it.

The media tried to blend the definition of meddling and collusion to mean the same. Did Russia try to cause choas... yes. As they have in every election since the start of the cold war. And the MSM bought right in and did what they wanted...to blame then where all they had to do was kick their feet up

 

[screwduke1]

 

[screwduke1]

 

[Dionysus444]

Kudos for mentioning Cyrus the Great

There’s a huge cylinder in the Chicago museum of history that is covered in what looks like cuneiform....it details the Persian diplomatic activities after vanquishing the Babylonians and setting their Jewish (etc) slaves free to return home

I can’t prove it to you - and it doesn’t quite reach the level of conviction for me....but I believe that some of those older civilizations had spiritual powers- possibly the ability to levitate objects- types of electrical power - and city-states that would over shadow our greatest capitals in terms of splendor/ wealth and majesty

As for “progressing” we’re herky- jerkey about How we move forward in my opinion

We get better at empowering women ..::but then we have significant factions that assert that a man can be a woman ....simply by insisting that he is....and THREATEN you if you don’t go along (never mind the obvious damage to legit civil rights movements and other catch 22s that arise)

We try to become more aware of wildlife around us but then celebrate or turn a blind eye to “aborting” a full term baby....or promoting euthanasia for teens and the elderly (as is the case in prtsnof Europe)

We get better at transmitting data at the speed of light - but we adopt regressive and unsound approaches to public health and see hepatitis/ typhus outbreaks in a place like California

We somehow spend trillions on constantly upgrading our weaponry to the point of ridiculousness.....but can’t figure out why veterans are committing suicide at the rate they are

We innovate with visual cloaking - genetic manipulation- and electromagnetic propulsion.....but we have growing homeless populations and people without enough to eat


We beat Louisville and North Carolina
But the ncaa turns a blind eye to Zion and the Kansas wiretaps that link his recruitment to PAYOLA.....and still Duke isn’t questioned

Have I mentioned that I full blown HATE the North Carolina Tar Heels lately??
Admit to academic fraud....

And I’ll be DAMNED if Missouri football doesn’t get a one year bowl ban for it



Herky Jerky progress i tell ya

All the issues you mentioned we're much further along now than then. Women's rights - check. Managing our environment - check. Communication - check. Life of a soldier - check. Advanced tech - check. We're more advanced in every area, and stating the fact that we have further to go on these subjects doesn't negate all the progress we've made, it validates it. Humans are so far from perfect we have a long way to go. But that doesn't mean you stop trying, as @SomeDudeCRO likes to repeat, the average person has it better today than at any other point in history. How far we've come, from small family hunter/gatherer groups, to Gobekli Tepe, to Uruk/Sumer, to transcontinental empires, to the modern internet-connected world, should be inspirational reason to keep striving for progress, not as justification to rest easy on our laurels cause we have it so good.

 

[DidneyWorl]

the average person has it better today than at any other point in history.

So orange man good

 

[bushrod1965]

yeah, I like when folks use narcissist and emotional to describe Trump...

They can be applied to a lot of billionaires, successful people in general, hollywood types, media personalities, athletes, movement founders/leaders, talk show hosts, vloggers, bloggers, anyone with social media who think the world should care what they have to say because their "truth" is "unique"...

As for calling people names like mentally challenged idiots, when you have to start name calling you've lost the argument and have nothing productive to add.

Idiots don't graduate from Ivy league schools, build global businesses or date models...

But idiots do hide their transcripts from Ivy League Schools, use their silver spoon, daddy’s inheritance, and multiple bankruptcies to build a global business sham, and screw around with porn stars on their model wives.

 

[DidneyWorl]

But idiots do hide their transcripts from Ivy League Schools, use their silver spoon, daddy’s inheritance, and multiple bankruptcies to build a global business sham, and screw around with porn stars on their model wives.

HA!
kids cheating to get into college=bad
kids cheating to get in this country with free college=good

Shut up you effing loser.

 

[AustinTXCat]

But idiots .

 

[Dionysus444]

So orange man good

When examining the entire scope of history our lives are the same under Trump as they would have been under Hillary. Neither candidate was running on or would have implemented broad, sweeping change for the commoners. As y'all have pointed out Trump policy-wise would have been a Democrat twenty years ago. Neocons and neoliberals are both just corporatist shills. Hillary would have made sure to take care of her donor elites just like Trump did with the tax cut. So no, orange man bad, not good. Hillary bad too. With Trump we just cut out the middle step of billionaires buying politicians and directly elected the billionaire.

 

[DidneyWorl]

When examining the entire scope of history our lives are the same under Trump as they would have been under Hillary. Neither candidate was running on or would have implemented broad, sweeping change for the commoners. As y'all have pointed out Trump policy-wise would have been a Democrat twenty years ago. Neocons and neoliberals are both just corporatist shills. Hillary would have taken care of her donor elites just like Trump did with the tax cut. So no, orange man bad, not good. Hillary bad too.

So basically Bernie!!!!! Wooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go Dion

My life has transformed under Trump's tax change. TRANSFORMED. I have more money than I know what do with it. I just keep stocking away. Maybe buy a few more AR15s. Hoping a new civil war happens so I can shoot liberals legally

 

[CastleRubric]

You have valid points mixed in with mis...ht wing nut jobs today. If you dispute that you can look up and actually watch President Eisenhower give his farewell speech. I suggest you do that anyway as he was far more prescient than people give him credit for.

So in re-reading this part --

"As far as your fear of Marxism, I'll consider that to be a threat when the fascist plutocratic lurch we are currently seeing is put down."

You use the word fear - and there's an element of that - but it's not the best word

Revulsion at the Marx/Engels principles / what's been forgotten / and dread of history repeating itself.........


but that's not really my point with this post

are you basically identifying me as a class enemy?
as in -- once your primary target is 'put down' ....that the 'dictatorship of the proletariat' will naturally and it's use of force,......will basically be coming for me and people like me?


Surely that's not what you meant

But it kind of could be read that way


I just want to make sure

 

[Dionysus444]

So basically Bernie!!!!! Wooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go Dion

My life has transformed under Trump's tax change. TRANSFORMED. I have more money than I know what do with it. I just keep stocking away. Maybe buy a few more AR15s. Hoping a new civil war happens so I can shoot liberals legally

Pretty soon you might have enough to move out of your sticker covered van!

 

[Dionysus444]

So in re-reading this part --

"As far as your fear of Marxism, I'll consider that to be a threat when the fascist plutocratic lurch we are currently seeing is put down."

You use the word fear - and there's an element of that - but it's not the best word

Revulsion at the Marx/Engels principles / what's been forgotten / and dread of history repeating itself.........


but that's not really my point with this post

are you basically identifying me as a class enemy?
as in -- once your primary target is 'put down' ....that the 'dictatorship of the proletariat' will naturally and it's use of force,......will basically be coming for me and people like me?


Surely that's not what you meant

But it kind of could be read that way


I just want to make sure

 

[CastleRubric]

When examining the entire scope of history our lives are the same under Trump as they would have been under Hillary. Neither candidate was running on or would have implemented broad, sweeping change for the commoners. As y'all have pointed out Trump policy-wise would have been a Democrat twenty years ago. Neocons and neoliberals are both just corporatist shills. Hillary would have made sure to take care of her donor elites just like Trump did with the tax cut. So no, orange man bad, not good. Hillary bad too. With Trump we just cut out the middle step of billionaires buying politicians and directly elected the billionaire.

Respectfully - there were some pgm's and actions taken that DID impact commoners

This admin expanded PTSD support and health care coverage for veterans with less than honorable discharges and also set up a program to coordinate with the Canadian V/A so that data on PTSD stricken soldiers could be compared with both sides benefitting......

HBCU's were also given extra attention so that the Dept of Education is tasked with supporting the ideas and tech developments stemming from those historically black institutions ..... to help ensure that their ideas are more quickly shared and coordinated with govt agencies and other industry players

and HEMP farming has been de-criminilized for the first time -- ever

articles are popping up ALL OVER THE PLACE about new business efforts around Knoxville - London, Ky and other rural regions ---- who are now at the forefront of one of the hottest new industries in the US

 

[CastleRubric]

All the issues you mentioned we're much further along now than then. Women's rights - check. Managing our environment - check. Communication - check. Life of a soldier - check. Advanced tech - check. We're more advanced in every area, and stating the fact that we have further to go on these subjects doesn't negate all the progress we'vdern internet-connected world, should be inspirational reason to keep striving for progress, not as justification to rest easy on our laurels cause we have it so good.

That's interesting - so it sounds like you see history as a steady, linear progression from ... "less advanced" (generally speaking) ..... to "more advanced" .....

and this means - more powerful and effective technology -- better human relations -- better health and more effective and just governing systems....?

I'm not trying to put words in your mouth - I"m genuinely interested
I think MOST people think this way -- I did up until maybe 5-6 years ago

it's my biggest curiosity binge right now --- looking for wrinkles in history where there may have been deceptively advanced elements of civilizations etc.....

cool stuff


I'm gonna start The Drinking now.......

 

[Dionysus444]

Respectfully - there were some pgm's and actions taken that DID impact commoners

This admin expanded PTSD support and health care coverage for veterans with less than honorable discharges and also set up a program to coordinate with the Canadian V/A so that data on PTSD stricken soldiers could be compared with both sides benefitting......

HBCU's were also given extra attention so that the Dept of Education is tasked with supporting the ideas and tech developments stemming from those historically black institutions ..... to help ensure that their ideas are more quickly shared and coordinated with govt agencies and other industry players

and HEMP farming has been de-criminilized for the first time -- ever

articles are popping up ALL OVER THE PLACE about new business efforts around Knoxville - London, Ky and other rural regions ---- who are now at the forefront of one of the hottest new industries in the US

I'm sure you'll readily admit that none of these things will have a chapter in a future history book. Thanks for splitting some hairs and trying to obfuscate though.

 

[truebluewildcat]

But idiots do hide their transcripts from Ivy League Schools, use their silver spoon, daddy’s inheritance, and multiple bankruptcies to build a global business sham, and screw around with porn stars on their model wives.

An Ivy League C student is like the ugliest model on the Victoria Secret runway...so what...

A ridiculous percentage of CEOs and successful millionaire types in general made average grades or worse. Some, like the tech overlords in silicon valley who the left like to worship, don't even finish college.

He took an inheritance and grew it.

As far as being a philandering fool, who gives a sh*t? Kennedy boys did it. Clinton did it. Many of the those CEOs I talked about above do it. Doctors do it. Jeff Bezos does it. People on this board probably mess around on the down low.

 

[CastleRubric]

so -- once the blood shed starts

it's going to just stay neatly contained within "workers vs capailists and the bourgeoise" , right?

..... and of course property owners.....and gun owners who don't want to be disarmed into a violent / unhinged discombobulated 'revolution' against the "Fat Cats"

"Fat Cats" are the ones who want the "workers revolution", sir

There's clearly, in my view of things, "one side" that wants to re make the post American world order along international lines etc
That's the. primary source of support / funding / marketing and IMO - Sustainment,,,,,,of the idea of any kind of Socialist revolution in the USA

it's not about justice at the top

it's about 'The Stuff' (to include you, me and our families) and who gets to have it / control it

 

[CastleRubric]

I'm sure you'll readily admit that none of these things will have a chapter in a future history book. Thanks for splitting some hairs and trying to obfuscate though.

I don't know for sure if they'll be remembered or not

I know that they contained value in and of themselves so they're worth noting

And they're relevant answers to your point ---

I'm not trying to counter or defeat you here ,,,,, trying to do the opposite of obfuscating

I'm actually hoping that this is coming across as encouragement

 

[55wildcat]

 

[55wildcat]

 

[KRJ1975]

I don't understand this.

Screwduke probably didn’t read it either. He wouldn’t have time to because he is too busy posting tweets on here. It’s approaching Levi proportions.

 

[KRJ1975]

So basically Bernie!!!!! Wooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go Dion

My life has transformed under Trump's tax change. TRANSFORMED. I have more money than I know what do with it. I just keep stocking away. Maybe buy a few more AR15s. Hoping a new civil war happens so I can shoot liberals legally

Your life has transformed with a few extra grand? That’s a night at the casino.

It would take 6 figures to make a significant change in my life. If you’re saving $100k a year in taxes compared to 2017, I’m not sure why you waste time posting here.

 

[AustinTXCat]

So basically Bernie!!!!! Wooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go Dion

My life has transformed under Trump's tax change. TRANSFORMED. I have more money than I know what do with it. I just keep stocking away. Maybe buy a few more AR15s. Hoping a new civil war happens so I can shoot liberals legally

 

[KendallCat]

Amazing how mad the Libs get when a billionaire takes office and does not take the WH to make money, yet all of these politicians get into Washington broke and leave multimillionaires. How does someone take public service making $140-160k a year and then become worth millions. Wish someone would start looking into some finances of prominent Dem officials and uncover the horrors!

 

[UKBrassowTipIN]

Yes..let's lower the voting age

 

[UKBrassowTipIN]

Your life has transformed with a few extra grand? That’s a night at the casino.

It would take 6 figures to make a significant change in my life. If you’re saving $100k a year in taxes compared to 2017, I’m not sure why you waste time posting here.

Hasnt transformed...but its MY money...and I'll be more responsible with it and spend it more wisely than any government would.

 

[Levibooty]

So in re-reading this part --

"As far as your fear of Marxism, I'll consider that to be a threat when the fascist plutocratic lurch we are currently seeing is put down."

You use the word fear - and there's an element of that - but it's not the best word

Revulsion at the Marx/Engels principles / what's been forgotten / and dread of history repeating itself.........


but that's not really my point with this post

are you basically identifying me as a class enemy?
as in -- once your primary target is 'put down' ....that the 'dictatorship of the proletariat' will naturally and it's use of force,......will basically be coming for me and people like me?


Surely that's not what you meant

But it kind of could be read that way


I just want to make sure

No in fact I don't think in those terms.

 

[Mashburned]

Pretty soon you might have enough to move out of your sticker covered van!

Lol that’s pretty funny...

Any doubt that Caesar dude with the fake bombs was a complete hoax? I think he just plead guilty last week.

Respectfully - there were some pgm's and actions taken that DID impact commoners

This admin expanded PTSD support and health care coverage for veterans with less than honorable discharges and also set up a program to coordinate with the Canadian V/A so that data on PTSD stricken soldiers could be compared with both sides benefitting......

HBCU's were also given extra attention so that the Dept of Education is tasked with supporting the ideas and tech developments stemming from those historically black institutions ..... to help ensure that their ideas are more quickly shared and coordinated with govt agencies and other industry players

and HEMP farming has been de-criminilized for the first time -- ever

articles are popping up ALL OVER THE PLACE about new business efforts around Knoxville - London, Ky and other rural regions ---- who are now at the forefront of one of the hottest new industries in the US

That’s some pretty progressive shit, tbh.

Lot more progressive than HEY THE JOBS ARE GONE AND NOT COMING BACK SO WERE GONNA TAX HONEST WORKING AMERICANS MORE AND OPEN BORDERS MORE, K?

 

[CastleRubric]

No in fact I don't think in those terms.

I’m very glad -

And I really liked the 0-fer UK held the Wofford Shooter to today too

 

[screwduke1]

What a bunch of shit.

 

[screwduke1]

Dumbest tweet of the day goes to..

 

[screwduke1]

My god I can't believe it.

 

[screwduke1]

 

[screwduke1]

"Bathed in golden light"

CNN always brings us the big news.

 

[screwduke1]

 

[duke4life831]

You telling me the 185k a year to the pooper scoopers haven't helped? I'm shocked...

 

[screwduke1]

 

[screwduke1]