POLITICAL THREAD

[LineSkiCat14]

You're both right and wrong, or rather, talking about different things. But the bigger picture, in relating to the thread and current events, is that it's the Middle East and Asia.. Talking about the fact that they are the same continent is pointless.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

not that the data matters to people nowadays, but here goes:

3/21 CNN (moe +/- 3pts) Clinton +12 vs Trump, even vs Cruz, -6 vs Kasich
3/21 CBS (moe +/- 3pts) Clinton +10 vs Trump, +3 vs Cruz, -4 vs Kasich


"But Trump could put NY into play!"....Clinton leads by 19 points.
"But Trump could win FL!".....Clinton leads by 8 points.
"What about Ohio??"....Clinton leads by 6 points.


Furthermore, Trump puts deep red states into play:
Tied with Clinton in Arizona
Trails by 2pts in Utah



Trump performs worse in a general election both nationally and state-by-state against Clinton compared with both Cruz and Sanders.

Not only would he lose the general (possibly in a landslide that would make 2008 look like a nail biter), but he would absolutely hamstring the GOP in these important Senate races.

And some of you guys are actually buying his schtick. It's incredible.

At this point, there are 2 potential nominees: Cruz and Trump. Cruz absolutely cannot win. Trump probably cant win. Probable loss>absolute loss.

 

[jamo0001]

Of the countries listed the ones in bold would not be considered Asia to most people...or at least they weren't when I was picking orders.

Afghanistan
Armenia
Azerbaijan
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Bhutan
Brunei
Cambodia
Georgia
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Jordan
Kazakhstan
Kuwait
Kyrgyzstan
Laos
Lebanon
Malaysia
Myanmar
Oman
Pakisatan
Palestine
Phillipines
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
Singapore
Sri Lanka
Syria
Tajikistan
Thailand
Turkey
Turkmenistan
UAE
Uzbekistan
Vietnam
Yemen

Now if you guys want to play with semantics and say that's all Western Asia, fine with me. Call those countries anything other than the Middle East in certain groups and you'll get laughed at. There is the scholar definition and then there is the geographic definition.

it'd be PPV-quality TV to watch you play a gameshow where you had to point out a random selection of those countries on a map and then say "Muslim majority" or "non-Muslim majority"

 

[warrior-cat]

Does all of this mean that the Orient is Asian too?

 

[argubs2]

Great stuff guys. Here, hope this helps....

 

[KingOfBBN]

^ What's the best scenario then? How can the Republicans possibly win then? We have these incredibly high standards while the left doesn't give a shit about the lies and corruption of Hillary. Meanwhile we're all split.

So we're essentially saying our options are...

Trump- Who is said to get smoked in a general election and is disliked by half the party
Cruz- Who most dislike and are bothered by his outward expression of his faith
Romney- A Mormon who got crushed in 2012.

WTF do we do?

 

[allabouttheUK]

allabouttheUK, Asia is a continent.

The Middle East is a region that is mostly located on the continent of Asia. Part of it is in Africa and a small part is in Europe.

Awesome....

So sorry you had no clue what we were talking about and didn't know that most people don't normally refer to Iraq as Asia.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Asian Games?

 

[UK_Dallas]

@allabouttheUK .

You have India bolded and it shares a border with China, Nepal and Bangladesh. You don't have Georgia bolded and it is a thousand miles further west.

 

[argubs2]

You prepare thine anus

 

[warrior-cat]

Great stuff guys. Here, hope this helps....

Australia is a continent? Crikey!

 

[jamo0001]

^ What's the best scenario then? How can the Republicans possibly win then? We have these incredibly high standards while the left doesn't give a shit about the lies and corruption of Hillary. Meanwhile we're all split.

So we're essentially saying our options are...

Trump- Who is said to get smoked in a general election and is disliked by half the party
Cruz- Who most dislike and are bothered by his outward expression of his faith
Romney- A Mormon who got crushed in 2012.

WTF do we do?

well, if you're giving up outright, at least pick the candidate who wouldn't terrorize every competitive Republican senate and congressional race in the country.

the establishment is horrified by the idea of Trump in November for a reason.

Trump isn't killing the party. He's just the gun that some of you guys are putting to the GOP's head. When you're facing Hillary and a democratic Senate in February, you get ZERO right to complain.

 

[allabouttheUK]

I am so thankful for this thread.

 

[allabouttheUK]

@allabouttheUK .

You have India bolded and it shares a border with China, Nepal and Bangladesh. You don't have Georgia bolded and it is a thousand miles further west.

Probably because I didn't use google...how dare I!

 

[jamo0001]

Bhutan vs Bahrain. NO GOOGLING, @allabouttheUK !!

 

[KingOfBBN]

well, if you're giving up outright, at least pick the candidate who wouldn't terrorize every competitive Republican senate and congressional race in the country.

the establishment is horrified by the idea of Trump in November for a reason.

Trump isn't killing the party. He's just the gun that some of you guys are putting to the GOP's head. When you're facing Hillary and a democratic Senate in February, you get ZERO right to complain.

I never would have picked that guy to represent us. Every candidate I liked got eliminated early or dropped out.

We're seriously going to become a one party country now. With open borders and even more control from the left, you can kiss this place goodbye. We're doomed.

 

[allabouttheUK]

Bhutan vs Bahrain. NO GOOGLING, @allabouttheUK !!

We talking about a cricket match? Do you have a question?

 

[warrior-cat]

Repubs win only if much greater numbers turn out everywhere and go with whomever is the nominee. It really is that simple, mathematically that is.

 

[allabouttheUK]

I was considering a trip to Moscow this summer. Wonder what northern Asia is like that time of year?

 

[Wildcat Willy]

allabouttheUK…

OK, I think most reasonable people now know what the continent of Asia is and what countries are in it.

Did you realize that Asian Games was referring to a sporting competition and not War Exercises?

Nevermind, don't answer that.

I want to hear more about how the Boston bombing was a "test" and how the US govt is involved in a global conspiracy to make everyone an Islam because it is strict and they can control us better.

If I had any of that wrong, I apologize and would like you to further educate the rest of us as to what is really going on out there. TIA.

 

[jamo0001]

Repubs win only if much greater numbers turn out everywhere and go with whomever is the nominee. It really is that simple, mathematically that is.

and it's shaping up to be a national version of the Bevin v Conway race.

 

[allabouttheUK]

allabouttheUK…

OK, I think most reasonable people now know what the continent of Asia is and what countries are in it.

Did you realize that Asian Games was referring to a sporting competition and not War Exercises?

Nevermind, don't answer that.

I want to hear more about how the Boston bombing was a "test" and how the US govt is involved in a global conspiracy to make everyone an Islam because it is strict and they can control us better.

If I had any of that wrong, I apologize and would like you to further educate the rest of us as to what is really going on out there. TIA.

No I didn't realize the Asian Games you were referring to were sporting competition, because that's far from what this thread is about. I am a Navy veteran so when anyone refers to any countries having "games" I think of exercises for military preparedness. My military service also trained me to not look at a pretty little map, but do look at regions. Not once during my 10 years in or dealing with the military has anyone every referred to anything in the middle east as Asia.

You still haven't answered my three questions from earlier. I'll wait for you to respond.

 

[Wildcat Willy]

I was considering a trip to Moscow this summer. Wonder what northern Asia is like that time of year?

Well, Russia does share a border with China and North Korea… And the vast majority of Russia is in Asia.

Nevermind. Just concentrate on telling us about Boston and the worldwide conspiracy.

 

[TheDude1]

Can we just say...

Yes all of those countries are in the continent of Asia, and are Asian countries. That is factual.

When we generally talk about Asian nations, we are often defining it through being Pacific rim places, and often through race... like, black hair, slanty eyes, yellow skin... that sort of thing.... hence leaving out the Middle East (which is, while geographically Asia, more caucasian and Persian and whatever, in terms of race) and places like India and Pakistan.

Is that good enough to move past it and get to... well, whatever the point was, which I totally forget now?

 

[jamo0001]

and right on cue, PPP publishes a poll showing Clinton beating both Trump and Cruz in NC (loses to Kasich by 8pts)

 

[WettCat]

Brussels. Not Sprouts. Not Asia. Not the Middle East.

How 'bout we talk about Brussels?

 

[jamo0001]

CCTV stills of the Brussels airport suspects. Gloves supposedly used to conceal the vests' triggers:

 

[TheDude1]

And if you go to Russia, especially the north and east, it is indeed VERY Asian... both in terms of race and traditions. In fact, I LOVE Russia, because culturally it is SO diverse... when you get towards Mongolia and China and the steppes it is just an entirely different people than, say, towards western Russia.

 

[Willy4UK]

Can we just say...

Yes all of those countries are in the continent of Asia, and are Asian countries. That is factual.

When we generally talk about Asian nations, we are often defining it through being Pacific rim places, and often through race... like, black hair, slanty eyes, yellow skin... that sort of thing.... hence leaving out the Middle East (which is, while geographically Asia, more caucasian and Persian and whatever, in terms of race) and places like India and Pakistan)

Talk about over generalizations. Sounds like the Racist guide to misjudging people.

My clinical supervisor is from India and identifies as Asian. 100% Asian.

 

[allabouttheUK]

Can we just say...

Yes all of those countries are in the continent of Asia, and are Asian countries. That is factual.

When we generally talk about Asian nations, we are often defining it through being Pacific rim places, and often through race... like, black hair, slanty eyes, yellow skin... that sort of thing.... hence leaving out the Middle East (which is, while geographically Asia, more caucasian and Persian and whatever, in terms of race) and places like India and Pakistan.

Is that good enough to move past it and get to... well, whatever the point was, which I totally forget now?

Thank you! Someone with some common sense!

 

[allabouttheUK]

Talk about over generalizations. Sounds like the Racist guide to misjudging people.

My clinical supervisor is from India and identifies as Asian. 100% Asian.

Yes, and men now identify as women and whites identify as blacks...what's your point?

 

[Willy4UK]

Thank you! Someone with some common sense!

He knows nothing of Asian culture. So thanking him for his misinformation is only increasing the ignorance.

 

[warrior-cat]

Talk about over generalizations. Sounds like the Racist guide to misjudging people.

My clinical supervisor is from India and identifies as Asian. 100% Asian.

My Karate instructor is from Thailand and identifies as Oriental oddly enough.

 

[allabouttheUK]

Well, Russia does share a border with China and North Korea… And the vast majority of Russia is in Asia.

Nevermind. Just concentrate on telling us about Boston and the worldwide conspiracy.

Still waiting on your answers smart-ass.

 

[Willy4UK]

Yes, and men now identify as women and whites identify as blacks...what's your point?

My point is that his characteristics to describe a race of people is ignorant.

 

[Wildcat Willy]

OK, the continent of Asia is a myth spread by Obama. You win.

Now tell me more about how this attack in Brussels is part of the big picture that was tested in Boston.

 

[TheDude1]

Talk about over generalizations. Sounds like the Racist guide to misjudging people.

My clinical supervisor is from India and identifies as Asian. 100% Asian.

Of course it is. But I think in the United States when people say "Asian nations" it is generally thought of as being countries where people have that traditional Chinese/Japanese/Korean/Pacific Islander phenotype. If you showed people a group of faces, and said "Pick out the Asian" they will gravitate towards the Chinese national, not the guy from Bangladesh.

Not saying it is RIGHT; just what we commonly mean in conversation.

 

[Wildcat Willy]

Still waiting on your answers smart-ass.

What are your questions again?

 

[Willy4UK]

My Karate instructor is from Thailand and identifies as Oriental oddly enough.

Yeah, he still lives up to the old labels. But Thailand is still Asian. So technically he is correct.

 

[allabouttheUK]

He knows nothing of Asian culture. So thanking him for his misinformation is only increasing the ignorance.

What he said is what normal people associate. I know that goes against your non-discriminatory, peace loving ways, but the real world is defined by differences in groups of people. Sadly as much as you want to believe...we are not all the same, it's not discriminating, it's just visual observation.