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[AustinTXCat]

This is the heart of the problem. Nobody listens to our fellow countrymen anymore because of what team they're on. ...

 

[AustinTXCat]

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*crickets* from resident open borders advocates.

 

[qwesley]

*crickets* from resident open borders advocates.

They look at your state and see the border counties (and 2-3 counties in) voting blue and are power drunk thinking of the electoral advantage of TX joining CA, NY, and IL as an insurmountable wall. They don't give a flying f@#$ about those kids or immigrants.

 

[vhcat70]

Thai authorities reporting on former US Navy seal.

DA confirmed.

 

[vhcat70]

They changed it.

IOW, go with fake news before you know the truth. Why would we expect less?

 

[WKBlu]

WTH

 

[Kaizer Sosay]

You're lying. I know you've seen evidence of it because you read my post.

The whistleblower leaked email provided clearly says -- "There is specific tasker from the WH to go after anyone printing materials negative to the Obama agenda. Even the FBI is shocked"

What do you think "WH" stands for? Who do you think directed it? The DOJ and FBI didn't take it upon themselves to be so brazen. They had orders from the White House.



Your own source admits that none of it is actually evidence. There are FISA warrants, government surveilled campaign members, illegally unmasked names and moles who infiltrating the campaign proving the Obama administration spied on the Trump campaign just like his adminstration spied on journalists. The best you have is Trump once said he loved Wikileaks.



And last but not least, the writer's b.s. opinion, which is way off base, is the most powerful evidence of collusion he/she can offer us.

Let's break it down.



Trump has been clear that there was no collusion. He definitely thinks Russia did something wrong.



The Republicans have been fighting for two years for transparency. It's the Democrats, DOJ and FBI who have been fighting not to release information.

They claim redacted materials are a matter of national security, but when we finally see some of it unredacted, it's actually not sources and methods, but instead corruption they're trying to hide.

They're also guarding the FISA applications with their lives because they lied on them and submitted unverified "evidence" to the FISA judge, which is illegal.



Russia has been punished by Trump. It was the Obama administration who knew in advance what Russia was up to. Instead of stopping them, Obama's NSA gave the stand down order.

After two years the jury is out. Trump has been tougher on Russia than Obama. It's not what he says, but what has actually been done that counts.

Trump and Obama: Who's really tougher on Russia?
Despite the Apparent Bromance, Trump Has Been Tough on Russia
Trump is tougher on Russia than Obama was



That's why in his proposed '19 budget he's requesting a shit ton of money for all things cybersecurity. He requested it in '18, too. Again, it's all about what's being done. The opinions over at VOX are irrelevant.

Trump requests $3.3B for DHS cyber unit in 2019

Outstanding post right there. Sums it all up rather neatly point by point. Nice work, brother.

 

[Bill - Shy Cat]

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WTH

I’m confused as Hell, but this made me laugh.

 

[mdlUK.1]

 

[mdlUK.1]

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WTH

When he talks he reminds me of an old cartoon character, Clutch Cargo. Only their mouth moved.

 

[KingOfBBN]

Disgusting. The man has not been convicted of anything. It's rather incredible that people like D'Souza go to jail and stuff like this with Manafort but no one on the left is ever punished or sent to prison despite breaking the law.

 

[Bill Cosby]

Just saw the Drudge headline regarding the unemployment number. Every single client I talk to, with zero exceptions, will tell you about the inability to find people who will just show up to work on time.

If you are hard drug free and can show up consistently on time, there are countless jobs out there at this point.

But you can also sit on your ass, do drugs and collect welfare checks.

So most are going to take the path of least resistance.

The lefties are going to complain that some of these jobs are only paying 20-40k and you can't support a family on that. I agree. That's why you shouldn't be having a goddam family if all you're making is 20-40k. And we should stop incentivizing the reckless irresponsibility of the people who are populating this country with children they can't support. There are plenty of places to move up from those started jobs doing the repetitive motions on teh manufacturing lines.

 

[WKBlu]

 

[UKBrassowTipIN]

From what I've seen there's only evidence of Brennan spying on journalists, not sure I have seen evidence this was directed by Obama. Regardless this is a black eye on his administration for sure. Of course Brennan is still a Republican in my eyes, regardless of how much he hates Trump.

And there's ZERO evidence Obama had the FBI spy on Trump. Now Paige was being watched by the FBI long before he came onto the Trump campaign. Was the FBI supposed to stop investigating shady characters simply because they now work for Trump's campaign?

It doesn't make sense that Obama would spy on Trump yet allow the FBI, who he supposedly wielded all this power over, continue to hound Hillary about the emails and make the remarks Comey did a week before the election. Sorry, not buying it.

While Trump himself may not have colluded with Russia, there's plenty of evidence that several people on his team were doing just that. In exchange for money, power, or both. How many on Trump's team have lied about meeting with Russians and then changed their stories when confronted with the evidence? NONE of that is shady to you huh?

Interesting you mention Wikileaks who was working with both the Trump campaign and the Russian government to systematically release these hacked Hillary emails.

You me, nor anyone else on here knows how much evidence Mueller has. I do know that what 5 or 6 people have been charged with something relating to this investigation. We know Trump tried to kill the investigation several times. That he constantly tries to undermine the investigation(which is also called obstruction of justice btw). For someone so innocent, he sure doesn't act like it.

Why is it that Trump is given a free pass for his and his associates actions but Obama is automatically guilty for anything that any Democrat 'may' have done. And the FBi is burned at the stake for what increasingly looks like 'doing their f'ing job'.

This kinda sums up the probable cause for collusion. If this was Obama, he would be guilty of treason in the eyes of everyone on this board. Compare this evidence to the evidence you just provided that 'proves' Obama committed treasonous espionage.

Obama spied on everyone..including private civilians, other world leaders, etc...and we are supposed to believe he didnt spy on the guy that vowed to erase his legacy. Sure

 

[qwesley]

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WTH

Keep in mind this guy at one point worked in the GWB admin so the past few years when he has ranted anything at the GOP the media jumped all over it with the byline of "former Bush official slams....". Now that he is officially a Dem those idiotic rants are not as attractive.

 

[Dionysus444]

*crickets* from resident open borders advocates.

End the war on drugs.

 

[anon_l8pbkn96tg3j6]

lol, Pocahontas . . . this is real life.

 

[WKBlu]

While all of you go about the Paddock freely today, take a moment to remember our brother Willy, and how his absence here is a farce and an injustice.

 

[WKBlu]

 

[oldsports_]

The Trump administration is now forcing parents seeking asylum to accept deportation if they want to see their children, even those who have passed initial asylum screenings.

Proof, link?
Or just more of your Liberal ignorance?

 

[KingOfBBN]

Yep. Even Mary Surratt was sentenced to death and all they really proved was that the meetings took place in her home. We have tons of people who should be tried for treason right now.

 

[USSLair]

While all of you go about the Paddock freely today, take a moment to remember our brother Willy, and how his absence here is a farce and an injustice.

I did my time. He is doing fine I'm sure.

 

[KingOfBBN]

You know I'm a fan of lists so I figured I would jot down some of the crazy stuff the left has done recently and the past couple of years while calling others "Nazis."

- Created race hoax after race hoax sometimes even writing pro Trump stuff to try and make it look like a conservative did it before it being exposed that it was a black guy and then the stories drop.
- Spied on a president and his team
- Created a fake dossier
- Had the FBI trying to get Trump
- Threatened electors
- Had DNC donors fund women to accuse Trump of sexual assault and funneled the money through Gloria Allred/Lisa Bloom
- Committed violence against conservative voters all across the country on campus and at rallies
Chased this kid where he had to run for his life


Angry mob egged a female Trump supporter


Also did this

Attacked this guy

Had these guys unleashed on conservatives and compared to WWII soldiers

Routinely do this crap

Rand Paul attacked

Harassed Sarah Sanders and told her she wasn't welcome, followed her family across the street to harass them
Set up a protest outside Stephen Miller's house
Donnie Deutch calling Trump supporters Nazis
Maxine Waters inciting violence against Trump's admin
Peter Fonda calling on someone to kidnap Trump's son and put him in a cage with pedophiles
Sen. Maggie Hassan blames President Trump for her intern yelling “___ you!” at him through the halls of the U.S. Capitol. The intern was not fired.


A ton more listed on https://www.breitbart.com/big-journ...ence-and-harassment-against-trump-supporters/

 

[warrior-cat]

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Good, that is what needs to be done with them. No suing or tax payer court cost.

 

[warrior-cat]

MAGA BASTIGES!

 

[warrior-cat]

Yeah because nothing like that ever happened to an Obama supporter

I'm really worried that the right has collectively gotten a case of the Alzheimer's. Don't seem to remember how they acted for 8 years.

I LOVE what Trump is doing. He is getting the left so pissed off they may finally start playing dirty like Republicans have for years. F bipartisanship and F the norms. For some reason, watching the Republicans steal a Supreme Court seat didn't seem to do it. So thank you Trump.

When we get control of the House, Senate and WH again, gloves need to come off. Push through more Supreme Court justices until the illegitimate Gorsuch nomination is rendered limp(well within Congress purview - 11 should do it), make universal voter registration a thing, grant statehood to DC and Puerto Rico, allow California to break up into 7 states, expand the federal courts, pass new voting rights act that gives felons who have done their time the right to vote again and gets rid of Voter ID laws, give illegals a path to citizenship, and move to multi-member House districts to negate gerrymandering. SInce Trump can slap tariffs in the name of national security, use the same excuse to create a national green energy plan that destroys the coal and oil industry. Get rid of the Electoral College and replace with winner of popular vote. Restore power to the working class by reversing Citizens United, make it illegal to withhold any campaign donor names over $1000 to restore transparency. Tame the next 'Trump' by making it mandatory for a presidential candidate to release tax returns, illegal for candidate to own any business that gets money outside of our borders, and give people the ability to demand a recall election on a President after 2 years if 60% of voters want it. Should also make it illegal to have any family member hold an office higher than Post Master.

Time for Dems to fight fire with fire because Republicans don't respect bipartisanship or 'norms'. Notice none of these items have anything to do with abortion, gay rights, political correctness, universal healthcare, trans bathrooms, etc.

DNR

 

[warrior-cat]

From what I've seen there's only evidence of Brennan spying on journalists, not sure I have seen evidence this was directed by Obama. Regardless this is a black eye on his administration for sure. Of course Brennan is still a Republican in my eyes, regardless of how much he hates Trump.

And there's ZERO evidence Obama had the FBI spy on Trump. Now Paige was being watched by the FBI long before he came onto the Trump campaign. Was the FBI supposed to stop investigating shady characters simply because they now work for Trump's campaign?

It doesn't make sense that Obama would spy on Trump yet allow the FBI, who he supposedly wielded all this power over, continue to hound Hillary about the emails and make the remarks Comey did a week before the election. Sorry, not buying it.

While Trump himself may not have colluded with Russia, there's plenty of evidence that several people on his team were doing just that. In exchange for money, power, or both. How many on Trump's team have lied about meeting with Russians and then changed their stories when confronted with the evidence? NONE of that is shady to you huh?

Interesting you mention Wikileaks who was working with both the Trump campaign and the Russian government to systematically release these hacked Hillary emails.

You me, nor anyone else on here knows how much evidence Mueller has. I do know that what 5 or 6 people have been charged with something relating to this investigation. We know Trump tried to kill the investigation several times. That he constantly tries to undermine the investigation(which is also called obstruction of justice btw). For someone so innocent, he sure doesn't act like it.

Why is it that Trump is given a free pass for his and his associates actions but Obama is automatically guilty for anything that any Democrat 'may' have done. And the FBi is burned at the stake for what increasingly looks like 'doing their f'ing job'.

This kinda sums up the probable cause for collusion. If this was Obama, he would be guilty of treason in the eyes of everyone on this board. Compare this evidence to the evidence you just provided that 'proves' Obama committed treasonous espionage.

DNR

 

[warrior-cat]

The circumstantial case for collusion
It’s worth backing up to recall what we all saw on camera before anyone knew anything about an FBI investigation, before FBI Director James Comey was fired in an effort to halt the investigation, and before Mueller and his team revealed anything:

• Two separate hacks of Democratic Party emails — one purloining a trove of internal Democratic National Committee emails and one that stole a ton of correspondence from John Podesta’s personal Gmail account — were perpetrated over the course of 2016, by what are now believed to have been agents operating on behalf of the Russian government.
• These emails were not immediately released, and they were not released by the hackers who obtained them. Instead, the emails were disseminated to the public by using Julian Assange and WikiLeaks as an intermediary. Their releases also seemed strategically timed — the DNC emails disrupted efforts to create a show of unity between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders at the beginning of the Democratic National Convention, while the Podesta emails were released right after the infamous Access Hollywood tape.
• Trump and his campaign, at the time, believed these emails were a big deal and cited them frequently. Trump built substantial portions of his campaign messaging around narratives — typically half-true at best — contained in the emails, and made no bones about welcoming the hacking.
• “WikiLeaks, I love WikiLeaks,” he said on several occasions on the campaign trail, and he also explicitly called on the Russian government to hack and release Hillary Clinton’s emails.
• Trump also spent the 2016 campaign running an overtly pro-Russian campaign message, praising Vladimir Putin’s leadership, defending him from allegations of murdering his political opponents, and calling for a realignment of US strategy in Syria and Ukraine.

I would not necessarily call any of this “evidence” of collusion, but it’s certainly grounds for suspicion. It gave the impression that Trump was on some level coordinating his campaign messaging with the Russian hackers, and that either he was taking a pro-Putin line in exchange for Russian help or he sincerely believed in the pro-Putin line and therefore saw nothing wrong with accepting Russian assistance.

That said, Trump was asked about this possibility explicitly during the campaign. And during the campaign and the transition, both he and his team issued at least 20 denials of any contact between his camp and the Russians. And where evidence really enters the picture is that they were lying.

There was extensive outreach between Trump and Russia
In reality, as exhaustively documented by the Moscow Project, there were extensive communications between people in Trump’s orbit and Russian government figures or others who had, or purported to have, close ties to the Putin regime.

Some of this communication — including Michael Cohen’s January 2016 email to Dmitry Peskov and Ivanka Trump’s October 2015 exchange with Dmitry Klokov — was ostensibly about efforts to construct a Trump-branded building in Moscow. Some of it, including the various escapades of George Papadopoulos and Carter Page, involved relatively peripheral players in Trumpworld, who didn’t have strong pre-campaign ties to Trump or play a post-campaign role in the administration.

But some of it was quite high-level and explicitly about the campaign. Donald Trump Jr., for example, took a meeting with the deputy governor of Russia’s central bank while attending the National Rifle Association’s annual convention in Kentucky in May 2016. The meeting was arranged by a US conservative activist named Paul Erickson, who got in touch with senior Trump campaign aide Rick Dearborn to set it up, explicitly as a step toward creating back-channel communications between Russia and the campaign.

And, of course, Trump Jr., along with Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort, attended the infamous Trump Tower meeting whose purpose was explicitly described as “part of Russia and its support for Mr Trump” and was said to involve incriminating information about Hillary Clinton.

That Trumpworld was clearly open to both political collusion and financial dealmaking with the Russian government doesn’t demonstrate that either actually occurred. But it’s unquestionably evidence in favor of the possibility. The fact that all of this was lied about and swept under the rug is further evidence (though, again, not proof) that there was Russia-related wrongdoing that is being covered up. And it’s striking that we continue to learn new things about contacts between Trump and Russia — the Ivanka story is new this week — rather than there having been a moment at which everyone got religion and decided to come clean.

And then there’s Paul Manafort.

The Manafort-Deripaska nexus is very suspicious
Paul Manafort had worked for years in Republican Party politics in the 1970s and ’80s, but by the second decade of the 21st century, he was primarily working in Ukraine. Then in March 2016, Donald Trump hired him to run his presidential campaign and smooth over badly frayed relations with the GOP establishment.

Two weeks after he boarded the Trump train, Manafort emailed Konstantin Kilimnik, who’d been his key lieutenant in Kiev for years:

“I assume you have shown our friends my media coverage, right?” Manafort wrote.

“Absolutely,” Kilimnik responded a few hours later from Kiev. “Every article.”

“How do we use to get whole,” Manafort asks. “Has OVD operation seen?”

OVD, in this context, is Oleg Deripaska, a wealthy Russian oligarch to whom Manafort was deeply in debt. Critically, despite the debts, Manafort agreed to go work for Trump for free. But he wanted to know how he could use his unpaid work for Trump to “get whole” with Deripaska.

Manafort, in other words, clearly saw his work for Trump as directly linked to his work for pro-Russian forces. Manafort is also currently preparing to stand trial for a broad array of financial crimes related to this work. It’s conventional for both the Trump camp and Manafort’s legal team to say that the charges are unrelated to the 2016 campaign, but that is merely assuming the conclusion. If Manafort did in fact use his US activities to “get whole” with his former client, then the two issues are clearly quite linked.

The truth in this matter is, as with much of the rest of the story, unclear. But, again, there is clearly evidence here.

Known lies DNR

 

[warrior-cat]

The collusion in plain sight
Last but by no means least, it’s worth recalling that there’s something fundamentally odd about the entire framing of the collusion question.

A political candidate’s relationship to a hostile foreign power would normally be framed differently. The discovery of covert collusion would be used as evidence that the candidate harbored a secret desire to repay the foreign power. But in Trump’s case, there was absolutely no secret! Trump quite openly ran on a pro-Russia platform, adopting Russian views on the conflicts in Syria and Ukraine, defending Putin’s character, and vowing to break up the NATO alliance.

It’s of course not illegal for a candidate for office to espouse pro-Russian foreign policy views. But to an extent, there was plenty of “collusion” in plain view throughout 2016 — crimes were committed and Trump openly praised them; he offered pro-Russia policy in exchange for Russian assistance, received the assistance that he sought, and has labored ever since to avoid investigating or punishing Russia’s crimes.

Here, ultimately, is where Paul Ryan’s argument completely falls apart. The speaker says “there’s no evidence of collusion” but also isn’t willing to go full Trump, denounce the investigation as a fraud, and call for its end. Instead, he says, “this is about Russia and what they did and making sure they don’t do it again.” But Trump has always been clear that he doesn’t think Russia did anything wrong, doesn’t want the full details to become known, doesn’t want anyone punished, and has no particular interest in making sure they don’t do it again. And that, itself, is perhaps the most powerful evidence of collusion.

Source: - https://www.vox.com/2018/6/11/17438386/trump-russia-collusion

Even more ridiculous: Trump wants to meet with Putin alone, no aides, no translators, nothing. Compare that to his meeting with the North Korean dictator. Hmmm, and this is probably BIGGER news to most Americans. LIke I've said over and over again, someone so innocent has never looked so guilty in the entire history of the world.

Known lies DNR

 

[warrior-cat]

This is the heart of the problem. Nobody listens to our fellow countrymen anymore because of what team they're on. If someone isn't on your side you dismiss every single thing they say. How are we supposed to come together or find any middle ground when both sides are just shouting at each other and no one is listening? Just going to result in alternating tyrannies depending on who won the last election. The confirmation nuclear options taken by both parties are a prime example of this.

Because normally everything he post is just an opinion piece trumped up to make Trump look bad. Mostly lies and conjecture at best. Usually proven false before the next page comes in. Most of you on the left saturate the news media and social websites trying to control the narrative so that the real story (the truth) does not get out.

 

[warrior-cat]

You're lying. I know you've seen evidence of it because you read my post.

The whistleblower leaked email provided clearly says -- "There is specific tasker from the WH to go after anyone printing materials negative to the Obama agenda. Even the FBI is shocked"

What do you think "WH" stands for? Who do you think directed it? The DOJ and FBI didn't take it upon themselves to be so brazen. They had orders from the White House.



Your own source admits that none of it is actually evidence. There are FISA warrants, government surveilled campaign members, illegally unmasked names and moles who infiltrating the campaign proving the Obama administration spied on the Trump campaign just like his adminstration spied on journalists. The best you have is Trump once said he loved Wikileaks.



And last but not least, the writer's b.s. opinion, which is way off base, is the most powerful evidence of collusion he/she can offer us.

Let's break it down.



Trump has been clear that there was no collusion. He definitely thinks Russia did something wrong.



The Republicans have been fighting for two years for transparency. It's the Democrats, DOJ and FBI who have been fighting not to release information.

They claim redacted materials are a matter of national security, but when we finally see some of it unredacted, it's actually not sources and methods, but instead corruption they're trying to hide.

They're also guarding the FISA applications with their lives because they lied on them and submitted unverified "evidence" to the FISA judge, which is illegal.



Russia has been punished by Trump. It was the Obama administration who knew in advance what Russia was up to. Instead of stopping them, Obama's NSA gave the stand down order.

After two years the jury is out. Trump has been tougher on Russia than Obama. It's not what he says, but what has actually been done that counts.

Trump and Obama: Who's really tougher on Russia?
Despite the Apparent Bromance, Trump Has Been Tough on Russia
Trump is tougher on Russia than Obama was



That's why in his proposed '19 budget he's requesting a shit ton of money for all things cybersecurity. He requested it in '18, too. Again, it's all about what's being done. The opinions over at VOX are irrelevant.

Trump requests $3.3B for DHS cyber unit in 2019

And here is most of it debunked for you DION. Do you now understand or are you just pissing in the wind hoping everyone else gets wet too.

 

[warrior-cat]

Just saw the Drudge headline regarding the unemployment number. Every single client I talk to, with zero exceptions, will tell you about the inability to find people who will just show up to work on time.

If you are hard drug free and can show up consistently on time, there are countless jobs out there at this point.

But you can also sit on your ass, do drugs and collect welfare checks.

So most are going to take the path of least resistance.

The lefties are going to complain that some of these jobs are only paying 20-40k and you can't support a family on that. I agree. That's why you shouldn't be having a goddam family if all you're making is 20-40k. And we should stop incentivizing the reckless irresponsibility of the people who are populating this country with children they can't support. There are plenty of places to move up from those started jobs doing the repetitive motions on teh manufacturing lines.

It really depends on where you live. $20-$40 thousand goes a good ways in some states.

 

[Mashburned]

This is the heart of the problem. Nobody listens to our fellow countrymen anymore because of what team they're on. If someone isn't on your side you dismiss every single thing they say. How are we supposed to come together or find any middle ground when both sides are just shouting at each other and no one is listening? Just going to result in alternating tyrannies depending on who won the last election. The confirmation nuclear options taken by both parties are a prime example of this.

^^^

The problem with that post, aside from the fact it came from a low information poster with 349372489 screenames, is the fact THAT ONE PARTY LITERALLY WANTS TO END OUR COUNTRY. They would change the gd name if they could! They hate everything the USA stands for. Period. It's never been more clear. Obama snuck in and changed us on some somewhat sneaky crap, now Trump has uncovered their real agenda and democrats literally running campaigns on FREE HEALTHCARE!!! FREE EDUCATION!!!!! FREE ASYLUM FOR ALLLL!!!! ....not to mention the war on police, white people, etc etc a portion of the left is all about.

It would be very wonderful if the left came back down to earth and started talking about helping the USA instead of helping gd terrorists in s-hole countries. Our own citizens have enough problems, and we can't possibly ever solve all of them, nor should we as govt is not designed to cure all, but we could make more progress as a nation if we focused on ourselves a bit more.

You non american losers can DIAF. Period.

 

[UKBrassowTipIN]

 

[PFJ_Reg]

This is the heart of the problem. Nobody listens to our fellow countrymen anymore because of what team they're on.

If cardkilla wants to be listened to, he should avoid ignorant dumbass comments like below. I mean, damn.

they may finally start playing dirty like Republicans have for years.

Time for Dems to fight fire with fire because Republicans don't respect bipartisanship or 'norms'.

 

[AustinTXCat]

I LOVE what Trump is doing. He is getting the left so pissed off they may finally start playing dirty like Republicans have for years. F bipartisanship and F the norms. For some reason, watching the Republicans steal a Supreme Court seat didn't seem to do it. So thank you Trump.......

 

[Mojocat]

Just saw a celebratory article about the woman who accosted Scott Pruitt while he was eating lunch. After he resigned, she of course is now someone to admire and behold, a model. I also just read - once again - on a conservative blog that "the left is not going to like the new rules." Meaning once a D is in office, you can expect the same kinds of treatment towards them as what Pruitt, Sanders and others have been subjected to.

Really? I can't see it. Of course, the entire environment will be different. When a Republican is in office, the phrases applicable are "speaking truth to power" and "dissent is the highest form of patriotism." Verbal confrontation is not frowned upon - civility is a privileged white virtue after all - it's encouraged. When a Democrat is in office, none of that applies. Were a Republican Senator to make a similar statement as what Maxine Waters made, encouraging confrontations, it would be roundly pilloried.

This is how the media covers protesters when a Democrat is in office:



There are no "New Rules." There are different rules depending on who is in power. Same as it ever was.

 

[Free_Salato_Blue]

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Yeah not sure these tariffs are a great deal. A few steel and metal jobs may come back but a bunch of mid-western farmers lost a main customer of grain.
Plus China owns like 90% of the rare earth metals. Components from your smart phone to US military drones.

 

[qwesley]

Just saw a celebratory article about the woman who accosted Scott Pruitt while he was eating lunch. After he resigned, she of course is now someone to admire and behold, a model. I also just read - once again - on a conservative blog that "the left is not going to like the new rules." Meaning once a D is in office, you can expect the same kinds of treatment towards them as what Pruitt, Sanders and others have been subjected to.

Really? I can't see it. Of course, the entire environment will be different. When a Republican is in office, the phrases applicable are "speaking truth to power" and "dissent is the highest form of patriotism." Verbal confrontation is not frowned upon - civility is a privileged white virtue after all - it's encouraged. When a Democrat is in office, none of that applies. Were a Republican Senator to make a similar statement as what Maxine Waters made, encouraging confrontations, it would be roundly pilloried.

This is how the media covers protesters when a Democrat is in office:

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There are no "New Rules." There are different rules depending on who is in power. Same as it ever was.

Exactly, you had two huge EPA disasters under Obama and no one even knew who led it. Carney and Ernest rarely got asked tough questions, press briefings were rarely covered, and they both lied their asses off. Take Carney for example, the amount of BS he spewed about ACA was astounding....let's say a mother whose premiums and deductibles skyrocketed harassed him at dinner, do you think she would have covered with sympathy? pffft.

 

[KingOfBBN]

Just saw a celebratory article about the woman who accosted Scott Pruitt while he was eating lunch. After he resigned, she of course is now someone to admire and behold, a model. I also just read - once again - on a conservative blog that "the left is not going to like the new rules." Meaning once a D is in office, you can expect the same kinds of treatment towards them as what Pruitt, Sanders and others have been subjected to.

Really? I can't see it. Of course, the entire environment will be different. When a Republican is in office, the phrases applicable are "speaking truth to power" and "dissent is the highest form of patriotism." Verbal confrontation is not frowned upon - civility is a privileged white virtue after all - it's encouraged. When a Democrat is in office, none of that applies. Were a Republican Senator to make a similar statement as what Maxine Waters made, encouraging confrontations, it would be roundly pilloried.

This is how the media covers protesters when a Democrat is in office:

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There are no "New Rules." There are different rules depending on who is in power. Same as it ever was.

Media will always be the DNC PR firm and attack dog. That is never going to change. But if they expect conservatives to just sit down and be quiet and let the left go nuts after everything they have done, no way in hell. That's why there will undoubtedly be massive violence in the streets. You don't go as crazy as the left does and then get reeled back into normalcy without something drastic.