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What happened to war talk and Trump skipping debates?

People really give a shit about abortions? Why do we, as assumed decent adults, give a shit about decisions that people in bad situations make? I tend to believe it has more to do with how we see things from our shoes and not those making the decisions.
 
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What happened to war talk and Trump skipping debates?

People really give a shit about abortions? Why do we, as assumed decent adults, give a shit about decisions that people in bad situations make? I tend to believe it has more to do with how we see things from our shoes and not those making the decisions.
Well considering how often we've heard about shutting down the federal touching government because of this topic, I'd say that a lot of people consider it more important than wars or Donald Trump.
 
Well, on a state level, states define what a fetus is. The federal gov't has its own definition of it. Varies from state to state. That's prolly why. Plus if the woman is 8 months pregnant, yeah I can see a double homicide. But if the woman is a week knocked up, then no. 1 single murder charge.

So what about this guy tricking his girlfriend jnto taking abortion pill that was sentenced?

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/crime...ng-girlfriend-abortion-pill-article-1.1593401

There's no consistency.
 
On an interesting level, I find it kind of comical that the black community votes Democrat despite it being the party that

A)Did not want to abolish slavery
B)Had Jim Crow laws
C)that is all about funding Planned Parenthood; an organization that was started by Margaret Sanger to eliminate inferior races (blacks-her words)
 
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Well considering how often we've heard about shutting down the federal touching government because of this topic, I'd say that a lot of people consider it more important than wars or Donald Trump.

While I was trying to be sarcastic it clearly won't hit home because of how sensitive people are on the subject. The fact that idiot lawmakers would consider shutting down the govt and their 6 figure jobs arguing about something they'd never have r to deal with outside of being politicians just proves me and my sarcasm on the topic right.

We need more abortions!
 
The rest of it is crap when I point out a huge hypocrisy in abortion? Are you serious? I just gave you a GD example of both situations where there's a baby in the womb of two women. One wants it and is murdered and her baby dies. The killer is charged with its murder. Another woman doesn't wants it, kills the baby and it's totally okay.

That's total BS.

Also, if we're going the route of "its her body. They can do what they want." Okay then. Then why is it illegal to use drugs? It's a woman's body, right? It doesn't matter if she's pumping herself full of crank so who cares, right?

Another example of hypocrisy and selective enforcement.

What about pregnant women who have been prosecuted for using drugs while they're with child?

Again. More hypocrisy.

Your whole justification is if something is a burden to someone somehow makes that baby's life less valuable.
So let's change the laws so that they are consistent. Does that make you happy? Who fought/supported to make the laws that way? I don't see anyone calling to have that done.

There is hypocrisy with many things if you peel the onion back far enough. If life is that sacred then all pro-lifers should be anti-abortion, anti-death penalty, anti-war, all vegans, anti-fur, anti-leather and anti all other products that require a life to die in order for you to have. It just depends where you want to draw the line...doesn't it?

The world is not perfect, laws are not perfect, humans aren't perfect.
 
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Who is paying for all of the ones not working now and living off of the government. My point is, where do we draw the line where it is ok to murder humans because they are now inconvenient to us.


And you don't think that will exponentially add to our debt? Then Warrior, you favor socialism. You want unwanted kids to be born in order for the gov't to take care of them. That's socialism.
 
Wait so Willy is for abortion?

It's a difficult choice. If the people of this country were more responsible and had the capability to raise these kids, well I'd say ban abortion. But the moment that it comes to becoming a tax payer burden, then that's where I draw the line. Unwanted kids. Sucks, but it's the truth.

I'd support the gov't giving out bigger tax breaks for the church if they took over ALL unaborted cases. House, feed, educate. Also church members would help the church raise these kids by giving up more than the 10% tithing. But churches can't discriminate. They would also have to taken in all the Muslim refugees and immigrants too. Then cut social services to almost nothing. Tax payers off the hook. Church and its members gets its unaborted babies and the tax payers get their money back.
 
It's a difficult choice. If the people of this country were more responsible and had the capability to raise these kids, well I'd say ban abortion. But the moment that it comes to becoming a tax payer burden, then that's where I draw the line. Unwanted kids. Sucks, but it's the truth.

I'd support the gov't giving out bigger tax breaks for the church if they took over ALL unaborted cases. House, feed, educate. Also church members would help the church raise these kids by giving up more than the 10% tithing. But churches can't discriminate. They would also have to taken in all the Muslim refugees and immigrants too. Then cut social services to almost nothing. Tax payers off the hook. Church and its members gets its unaborted babies and the tax payers get their money back.
This has potential. Instead of giving out bigger tax breaks though, the government strips away tax breaks altogether unless they take all unaborted cases.
 
Why do so many pro-life people only care about the unborn child...but after the child is born, they don't want that child to cost them any of their tax dollars?
Here is what we know. Most women who have abortions are poor. Children who are born to poor parents have a high likelihood of remaining poor meaning when they grow up they will repeat the cycle.
Your actions say that you want the child to be carried to term but don't give two shits about the child once it is out of the womb. Is that not the ultimate hypocrisy?
 
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Donald Trump is going to be the Republican nominee for President. Let that sink in for a moment. Donald Trump, out of hundreds of millions of people, is the guy they came up with. The best they could do or at least the best they can get by their wacko primary voters. Nice. Maybe they can get Ted Nugent to run next time. He can dress up in his camouflage deer hunting outfit at the debates and shoot apples off the moderators heads when he gets tired of cussing out the audience and throwing his bowie knife at people.
 
I think this going to backfire on Trump. Get this thing down to Trump and 1 other GOP and he doesn't win.
 
Liberals are so effing blind to their own double standards it's unbelievable. So, an unborn baby...

That's the part that people on the other side disagree about.

FTS, CNN is just as bad. CNN will fabricate any story in order. CNN are drama whores

CNN's failings are more general incompetence than anything they deliberately do. Seriously mismanaged.

Maybe we should just kill anyone in a state assisted mental institute. Or in prison at government expense. Or pull the plug on those with severe medical needs unless the family or the insurance company is willing to pay for their care? Or..let's just clean out the nursing homes--they aren't really providing any value and it sure costs a lot of money for their care.

THAT'S the old liberal caring spirit. If they are basically unwanted...why should we keep them alive unless they can pay for their own care?

See above.

The rest of it is crap when I point out a huge hypocrisy in abortion? Are you serious? I just gave you a GD example of both situations where there's a baby in the womb of two women. One wants it and is murdered and her baby dies. The killer is charged with its murder. Another woman doesn't wants it, kills the baby and it's totally okay.

That's a product of the laws that society enacted, not a moral justification for treating them differently. Obviously these are contentious issues, and the laws reflect the compromises that happen in a hotly contested issue in a democratic society. BTW, you can find hypocrisy in our laws on a number of subjects, not just fetuses.

Well, on a state level, states define what a fetus is. The federal gov't has its own definition of it. Varies from state to state. That's prolly why. Plus if the woman is 8 months pregnant, yeah I can see a double homicide. But if the woman is a week knocked up, then no. 1 single murder charge.

Absolutely.

So what about this guy tricking his girlfriend jnto taking abortion pill that was sentenced?

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/crime...ng-girlfriend-abortion-pill-article-1.1593401

There's no consistency.

See above.

On an interesting level, I find it kind of comical that the black community votes Democrat despite it being the party that

A)Did not want to abolish slavery
B)Had Jim Crow laws
C)that is all about funding Planned Parenthood; an organization that was started by Margaret Sanger to eliminate inferior races (blacks-her words)

Yes, because A) nothing changed at all here, nope, there was no shift in party politics in the 1960s and 1970s. FFS, this argument was floating around dial-up internet days. B) see A. C) yes, nothing changed at all, ever, and things are exactly the same. At least this last one wasn't widely circulated until the last couple years, so you're catching up.

If you're trotting out these arguments in 2016, you're either deliberately obtuse or mentally compromised. Or both.

Oh, here's one for you. Why do people who overuse words like freedom and liberty ejaculate at the words "founding fathers" when almost all of them were unapologetic slave owners and enacted a system restricting the vote to white male landowners? Kind of comical, no?

Who is paying for all of the ones not working now and living off of the government. My point is, where do we draw the line where it is ok to murder fertilized eggs because they are now inconvenient to us.

Generally, 20 weeks after conception. Sometimes 22 or 24 weeks.

If life begins at conception, then God is a mass murderer. As many as 75% of all conceptions miscarry. I'd say purgatory is getting full, but most miscarried fertilized eggs are just a handful of cells so the physical space they occupy is small. I jest around a serious subject, but only because I realize it's touchy and difficult. The more we know about life, the more old notions are challenged.
 
I think this going to backfire on Trump.
Everyone has said that about everything he has done for the last 7 months and the opposite has occurred.

call illegal immigrants criminals & rapists? disqualified from running!
attack John McCain? Oh, Trump is done!
attack Megan Kelly & Fox? That's it, stick a fork in him!
 
probably no worst than with the 30+ million illegal immigrants who werent wanted either

hahaha, considering most of the illegals are adult and it takes more money to raise a baby, I'd say you're waaaaay off on that comparison. Most "illegal pregnant mothers=legal babies in the U.S" so those children are already technically citizens and thus onto the welfare pay roll. It costs a lot more for children than it does an adult.

Apples and oranges. Oh, and I support massive deportation of illegals, so we're clear on that and I support the death penalty. Just so we're clear on that too.
 
The worst thing to happen to conservative politics was the evangelical right.

Ruined it. Evangelical right have no problems with socialism when it comes to personal freedoms. Zilch. They will use Gov't in the BIGGEST possible manner to govern people's personal freedoms. and that's a goddamn shame. Socialists and don't even have the insight to realize.

I'll stay proud to the Libertarian party, the only true American in this country. The rest are big fat phonies.
 
hahaha, considering most of the illegals are adult and it takes more money to raise a baby, I'd say you're waaaaay off on that comparison. Most "illegal pregnant mothers=legal babies in the U.S" so those children are already technically citizens and thus onto the welfare pay roll. It costs a lot more for children than it does an adult.

Apples and oranges. Oh, and I support massive deportation of illegals, so we're clear on that and I support the death penalty. Just so we're clear on that too.

But you got to remember that it's actually more because these illegals reproduce like freaking rabbits. Now we are paying for their kids and the adults.
 
But you got to remember that it's actually more because these illegals reproduce like freaking rabbits. Now we are paying for their kids and the adults.

That's my point Heisman, the babies who are coming from these illegals are more than likely to be U.S citizens. Anchor babies, Rick Perry's Dream Act in Texas.
 
They will use Gov't in the BIGGEST possible manner to govern people's personal freedoms.

Big difference between governing people's personal freedoms and protecting life. Governments should protect innocent life, or what do you really have?
 
Big difference between governing people's personal freedoms and protecting life. Governments should protect innocent life, or what do you really have?

No, you're rationalizing your belief system, your religious belief system. If the gov't gave enough shit about innocent lives we wouldn't kill innocents into collateral damages from wars. We wouldn't execute innocent people because DNA technology wasn't invented. We wouldn't be letting cops kill innocent people daily. No, you're using your belief to justify gov't interaction and that isn't the job of the gov't to appease your beliefs. Sorry, it doesn;t work that way. people who support pro-life are socialist communists. Sorry if the truth hurts.
 
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But you got to remember that it's actually more because these illegals reproduce like freaking rabbits. Now we are paying for their kids and the adults.
If every life is sacred to you then you shouldn't be concerned about from where a child comes, whether they are "legal or illegal" or how much they might cost you. They are still human beings. Just as early settlers risked their lives to cross an ocean looking for a better life, many "illegal immigrants" have also risked their lives leaving their homes seeking a better life in the U.S.
You are the one harping on the hypocrisy of laws and people views...isn't it hypocritical to be worried about/not want to pay for babies who are born into this world but then insist that every conceived child be brought to term? You prefer that a child be born and then die from starvation /malnutrition/ or illness than to not be born at all.
 
So you define person as a fertilized egg? What is your definition of person?
Love this line of attack, lets delve into it.

studies have shown that abortion rates are declining, and one possible reason is that young people have grown up seeing ultrasound pictures of babies in wombs starting at only a couple months. they know what it is, and what it is from day 1. trying to define what is inside a woman's belly as not being a human, or that it isnt but then somehow magically turns into one after 6 months (or 9 if you are Hillary or DWS) is almost being a.....science denier?

A fun thing, turning around Orwellian doublespeak language
 
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Big difference between governing people's personal freedoms and protecting life. Governments should protect innocent life, or what do you really have?
If you were truly worried about government protecting innocent life then you should have no problem with the government providing people with the essentials of life...food, shelter and clothing. And what about healthcare? education? Aren't they essential?
 
Other way around. You can't justify abortion. Just makes people's lives easier with no accountability.

Yes, I most certainly can. I may not like it, but I certainly can justify it based on the law that says an egg isn't a human being. But by all means, keep pushing this issue and watch whore ass Hillary get into office..
 
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