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Defend to the end. Drain the swamp!!
Enjoy your tax cuts that phase out, better wages and bonuses for execs and a safer American embassy.![[jumpingsmile]](http://l.yimg.com/j/assets/img/emoticons/happy/happy0028.r191677.gif "Jumping Smile [jumpingsmile]")
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Enjoy your tax cuts that phase out, better wages and bonuses for execs and a safer American embassy.
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This is another lie. They don't just automatically phase out, regardless. The only way they'll be allowed to phase out is if greedy Democrats are in power and purposely allow them to.
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This is a big win for "his team", don't you get it?
Guarantee he's not the only leftist popping a cork tonight over this verdict.
Not a final bill yet and this is one of the reasons.
They extended the Bush tax cuts. Try again.
http://www.kentucky.com/news/politics-government/article44550042.html
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Try again, what? You're talking in absolutes when it's not a given that they are going phase out, only a possibility. They don't phase out no matter what, nothing can be done about it. They have to be allowed to phase out.
The plan is for Congress to reimplement them when the time comes. That's why it matters who's in power. A Republican majority isn't going to allow them to phase out.
There will be a civil war. I have zero doubts. It will happen in Europe and here. It's inevitable.
It's a stumbling block for a reason and of course if passed, yes it's possible and currently designed that way, 2027. lol
Not with regards to the Bush tax cuts though.
Record profits don’t mean squat to the American worker if the company is making those profits by using foreign workers.
Wages are frozen because manufacturing job losses are being replaced by service sector jobs that simply don’t pay as much.
Jesus Christ, it isn’t rocket science. The Dems are opposing this because they know it’ll work, and only further their loss of blue collar voters.
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One second... enjoy your tax cuts that phase out..
Next..the bill ain't finished yet.
Well no shit Sherlock. Your second point was actually correct.. too bad it diminishes tour others on the subject.
The phase out isn't guaranteed and it's only in place if the economy doesn't reduce the debt from the bill. It's also not in the house bill and a few senators are trying to get rid of it
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Yes, possible. You're posting like it's a forgone conclusion that they automatically phase out, no ifs, ands or buts. Like I said, that's a lie.
That's how it's currently written. Anything to the contrary is a complete fabrication. As are eliminating state/local tax deductions and mandatory FIFO with regards to capital gains taxes no matter how long you've been investing in a security. Why TF do you think it's stalled all of a sudden? Your people don't like some of these provisions.
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Jameslee tries to act like hes down the middle and its laughable. Hes as hardcore as a lib as any of the others.
In my opinion, corporate income taxes should be zero. Politicians have done a good job selling poorly educated voters on the idea that what corporations pay in taxes offsets what we would otherwise have to pay in taxes as individuals. The problem is corporations pass through the taxes in the price of their products. They don't actually pay taxes. We pay them when we purchase their products. Corporations cannot operate in the long run at a loss. They have to recover all their expenses, including taxes, through the price of their products. All that is being accomplished with corporate income taxes is that we have no idea what percentage of our income actually goes to taxes because some of it is hidden in the price of products and services we buy. This allows politicians to raise taxes without getting the push back from citizens they would get if those taxes were directly taken out of our pay.
I think any hidden taxes like this should be eliminated altogether. If we could easily tell what we are paying in total taxes it would create a check against government spending. With hidden taxes, it reduces that check by allowing government to raise taxes in areas where citizens don't realize it affects them. In my mind, this is poor public policy and only benefits politicians.
A side benefit would be that business would be much more competitive operating in this country which would create jobs.
Again, that's a lie. The phase out is not guaranteed (unless Democrats are in power). It's a safety measure to make the budget math work. When the time comes, if it's not necessary, they do not have to be phased out. You claiming it's guaranteed is the only fabricating taking place.
It gets closer and closer every day IMO. Events like today are making it close to inevitable.
Being.while will be the best choice for a dumbass like you to be friends with, if Muslims get here.
Huh? You people think that giving more concessions to the corporation benefits workers in jobs and wages. Will Rodgers called it Trickle Down during the Hoover administration.
WTF Bill? There is so much corporate profit that is contrary to that belief but you sheeple keep buying that line over and over and over.
Let me be clear. Operation expense or wages is the number 1 highest cost to a business. With record corporate profit as witnessed by a long bull market economy, we've had plenty of time for rising wages or repatriation of foreign assets or factories built here instead of overseas. We're just not seeing enough of it as compared to executive bonus pay, stock buybacks and dividends. This leads to the largest disparity of wealth in human history as history repeats itself over and over and over again.
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I am with you except for the notion that politicians are raising corporate taxes. That would be a death sentence for any pol and is why the corporate tax rate has steadily declined for decades to the lowest level it's ever been in the US. This is what they never tell us in this race to the bottom.
They don't pay taxes anyways. Are they they expecting them to be given even more low income bonuses and get twice as much back?
Therein lies the sticking point for republicans. What if it's necessary to end in 2027 and they can't be extended? Iow, what if the budget is pure shit as it often is with govt budgets and projections? The idea that there is no guarantee to be extended, irks republicans so it's stalled without a vote since they can't win right now.
This country hardly ever goes an entire decade without revisiting its tax policy. There's a better chance they get renewed/adjusted well before '27 even gets here, especially if Trump wins another term.
Again, you acting like they're guaranteed to phase out is a lie. You sound like a woman, guaranteeing/complaining about something she thinks, could, eventually, possibly, maybe happen a decade from now.
I completely agree with your last paragraph. You cannot replace manufacturing workers with service sector workers and expect wages to increase.
Profits are high and CEO’s are getting ridiculous payouts and golden parachutes because they have moved the labor to third world countries. So how do you even the playing field where American workers with higher wages can compete with third world workers?
You can either levy tariffs on imports, or lower taxes. They ain’t coming back on their own if we keep doing the same ol same ol.
The scenario you provide only benefits the Govt, and the companies. High taxes, offshore factories. That means more And more people dependent on the Govt, you cool with that? That isn’t freedom.
YOU'RE the actor, the defender, the politician. I'm pointing out how it's
WRITTEN to end and how this is upsetting to YOUR people.
The lie comes straight from you that democrats are holding up this legislation now or down the road. It could happen in 2027 but it's not GUARANTEED to happen. When Trump loses, YOUR people will be the obstructionists again. But right now YOUR TEAM doesn't have 50 votes with the majority in power yet again.The Donald has to be combing over the opposite way right about now.
The idea was moving them overseas would lead to higher wages for the jobs here. This hasn't happened in 40 years Bill. Why would more concessions in the form of lower taxes change this mindset?
Anyway good nite Dude. Sleep well.
Wouldn' lower taxes invite more foreign industry here.....which would be more jobs. Regardless the govt needs less money in its hands..period
For the last time, they are not guaranteed to phase out, nor is it written that way. It's a safety measure. A 'what if' or 'just in case'.
Also, 1.) It's an immediate win for middle class. 2.) Only a long-term loss if we don't revisit tax policy for a decade, which effectively never happens in the US.
I'll put it to you like this. They're guaranteed to phase out the way it was guaranteed Trump would never win; or the way it was guaranteed the market would crash into the dark ages once he won; or the way it's guaranteed that our allies will be alienated because of hurt Muzzie feelings. Comprehend?
I never said Democrats were holding up this legislation. You made that up. I said if they get phased out a decade from now, or at any time, it's more than likely because greedy Democrats have regained power.
Yeah, I get it, though. I do. #Resist at all cost, even if you have to make up things to feign outrage about.
By the way, thanks for finally admitting that you were full of shit earlier when you, matter of factly, said they phased out.
Yes, because their rich donors want a tax break. Republicans have already told us why they are doing it.
I'm sure there are a few that are moving because of taxes but they are moving factories primarily to take advantage of cheap labor.
But these jobs aren't necessarily being moved, there being eliminated and consolidated as well. Even China is losing manufacturing jobs to automation and robotics now.
It's really hard to feel sorry for corporations when they've been posting record profits for several years now.
I doubt there are any corporations that actually pay the current corporate tax rate. GE's was effectively ZERO a couple years ago.
This entire tax cut is just a big giveaway to the rich and the donor class, with some leftovers for the rest of us. I mean seriously most middle class folks get a few extra dollars each paycheck or something ridiculous?
Is anyone surprised that the individual tax cuts are temporary and will turn into a tax increase in a few years yet the corporate tax cuts are permanent?
There is absolutely zero need for this right now. If you're going to add a trillion dollars to the deficit why not an infrastructure program instead? Our country is in desperate need of upgrades to bridges, tunnels, waterways, highways, railways, etc.
Why are you giving away money to the wealthy while science and research is being cut? I mean this came out just yesterday. Our lead in the AI race is evaporating thanks to Mr America First. If we lose the AI race, it's lights out. And your parties anti-immigrant rhetoric isn't helping bring in the foreign talent we're gonna need to win it.
http://www.newsweek.com/us-could-lose-russia-china-war-artificial-intelligence-726603
I truly believe Republicans are incapable of looking beyond their next meal. China's launched a quantum satellite for unhackable communications and we're trying to bring back coal. Trump is just giving China the global leadership position. Every ridiculous tweet he sends puts other countries a couple steps closer to China and away from us. The TPP would have been a significant firewall against China's influence and we're too stupid to understand it.
Yeah, I'm sure it's as accurate as the millions of illegal voters b.s. Only people caught voting illegally were Trump voters
I love how a pedophile thinks he's got Christian values. That dude is nothing but a fraud. HIm and all other pedophile protectors down in Alabama.
If Jose Garcia Zarate truly found the gun wrapped in some clothes and it accidentally discharged in his hand, then how would that make him guilty of felony gun possession? If it really happened the way they said it did he wouldn't be guilty of any of the charges. Unless I'm missing something. So why would the gun charge stick if none of the other ones did?
So he just found a wrapped up object and it turned out to be a gun that accidentally discharged in his hand? What a crock of shit!
So he just found a wrapped up object and it turned out to be a gun that accidentally discharged in his hand? What a crock of shit!
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