POLITICAL THREAD
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I really liked the dumb way of explaining today. It's not a touchdown, more like a first down.
We're still on the 50 yard line but we're driving and got the momentum.
We're still on the 50 yard line but we're driving and got the momentum.
Which is why a single Democrat not voting for it is extremely silly.
I'm not even sure they are going to agree with him on stuff they like such as infrastructure.
Launched out of a hospital bed over the border wall while being tear gassed by riot police.
https://massie.house.gov/newsroom/p...statement-on-american-health-care-act-no-vote
Rep. Massie's Statement on American Health Care Act "No" Vote
As recently as a year ago, Republicans argued that mandates were unconstitutional, bailouts were immoral, and subsidies would bankrupt our country. Today, however, the House voted for a healthcare bill that makes these objectionable measures permanent.
The former Democrat Speaker of the House was rightfully derided for imploring Members to vote for a healthcare bill to “find out what was in it.” Yet today, we voted on a healthcare bill for which the text was available only a few hours before the vote. In fact, the Congressional Budget Office had no time to even provide Congress with a preliminary estimate of the full cost of this bill.
By repealing a small number of Obamacare mandates, while leaving others in place, this bill runs the risk of destroying what remains of the individual health insurance market. The option in this bill that allows States to apply for waivers from some Obamacare mandates is well-intentioned. However, it falls far short of our promise to repeal Obamacare. There also remains the risk that State legislatures, like our federal legislature, are unable to withstand the political pressure from lobbyists who defend Obamacare, and the pressure from those who receive Obamacare’s welfare handouts.
This bill should have included measures that allow Americans to take charge of their own healthcare and get the government out of the way. These measures include allowing the deduction of health insurance costs from income taxes, giving everyone the ability to purchase insurance across state lines, and allowing individuals to band together through any organization to purchase insurance.
In weighing my vote, I heeded the wise advice that “one should not let the perfect be the enemy of the good.” If this bill becomes law, it could result in worse outcomes, fewer options, and higher prices for Kentuckians who seek health care. In summary, I voted against this bill not because it’s imperfect, but because it’s not good.
Absolutely. Its the first step of getting rid of probably the worst legislation in American history. You got to start somewhere, the bill can't repeal itself.
I send this to my two liberal friends still every weekend along with a bunch of other hilarious videos like the Young terks meltdown.
I just have it saved on my phone. Let's just say I don't get a response back anymore but they see it.
I do believe it is gone Willy. I'll see if I can find a link.
It wasn't a win for a full repeal of government controlled healthcare, but it was a win in the sense that the disaster known as Obamacare is one step closer to not being the law of the land.
Mandate is gone, if this bill becomes law. It's been one of the main priorities since the first bill.
Also, Trump signed an EO back in January that put a go around in place so people didn't have to pay the mandate until he and the Republicans could sign something into law.
Understanding that he has a potentially long road ahead, Trump chose to exercise what power he had as president to "minimize the unwarranted economic and regulatory burdens" of Obamacare. The executive order, dated Jan. 20, 2017, allows government agencies, "to the maximum extent permitted by law... to waive, defer, grant exemption from, or delay the implementation of any provision or requirement of the Act [Affordable Care Act] that would impose a fiscal burden on any State or a cast, fee, tax penalty, or regulatory burden on individuals, families, healthcare providers, health insurers, patients, recipients of healthcare services, purchasers of health insurance, or makers of medical devices, products, or medications."
In 2014 and 2015, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) provided leniency to those individuals who failed to include proof of their health coverage during the previous year. However, the IRS had made it clear that any Form 1040s (the standard tax form) filed for the 2016 calendar tax year without line 61 filled in -- the line that would demonstrate to the IRS if you had health coverage or paid the SRP -- would be rejected.
Trump's executive order changed everything.
According to Yahoo Finance, the IRS will once again be accepting electronic and paper tax returns for calendar year 2016 without line 61 filled in.
Now here's where things get tricky. On one hand, the ACA is still the health law of the land, even if it seems to be living on borrowed time. This means the individual mandate is still law, and those who choose not to purchase health insurance should be paying the SRP, unless they're exempt. On the other hand, without line 61 filled in, the IRS has no guarantee that the taxpayer paid the SRP or was even insured in 2016.
The IRS has suggested that if it has a question about a particular tax return it'll follow up with those taxpayers after the filing process is over. However, the IRS has also previously said that it wouldn't garnish wages or go after a person's property for not paying the SRP. In effect, Trump's executive order has made it nearly impossible for the IRS to collect the SRP or to concretely verify an individuals' health insurance status.
This bill is gonna change so much from now until the final product. But it's just great to get the ball rolling.
Awesome. I'm telling my employer to go stick that health insurance up their ass. Just give me the cash munny
He's over the top even for me. I was a big supporter when he was first running, but he's being silly now. Lost my vote. Hope a conservative runs against this reactionary.
Nice find Moe. It gone.
And as Lair said the bill will change even more. The Senate will almost certainly modify it. Its far from a finished product, but you have to get first downs to move the ball down the field. And this was a first down
And as Lair said the bill will change even more. The Senate will almost certainly modify it. Its far from a finished product, but you have to get first downs to move the ball down the field. And this was a first down
Compared to Ocare, no. Compared to repeal, yes. They are worlds apart.
Dems are good at recognizing issues that ought to be fixed. They are terrible at implementing fixes because costs - $ and social - are no object to any goal for them & that's where they lose. Pubs much better at resolving these dilemmas once they are forced to; the Ocare abomination, but can't bring themselves to implement the improvements to begin with.
Yea while I agree with what he's saying, full repeal of Obamacare was never gonna fly.
So let's just do nothing?
I still think letting I die on its own would of been, but this will help faster I guess.
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During France's presidential debate last night, Macron accused Le Pen of colluding with the Russians, who spreading fake news about him.Oh, and the Secret Service protecting her allowed people to pelt her in the face with eggs without taking any action. The only thing they did was to hold their hands over her face to protect her eyes. Whoever it was throwing eggs should've been Goldberg speared.
He plays the politics. He stays true to his but he knew that it would get enough votes.
Holding my breath. Geert should have won. They could steal it. BS report yesterday that Macaroni surged into the poll lead. That is just a cover story for the Soros machine hack.
The same could have been said about Obamacare. There were olive branches extended to get GOP support, concessions offered but the GOP took the hardline approach that they were going to vote lock step against it. When that became apparent the Democrats said FU and wrote the bill.
Obamacare will fail, Trumpcare will fail...all for the same reasons...but the noose is now around the GOP's neck assuming the new bill gets through the senate.
The smart thing to have done would have to say that you're trying to fix Obamacare and kept it as a "Democratic" program. Now when Trumpcare fails...you can't blame anyone else.
Yep. Soros is running the show there. Macron is just a cuck
Stop lying. The only olive branch they offered Republicans was "We have to pass this bill before you can see what's in it"? They wrote the bill secretly, in the dark of the night, then forced it through. You're full of it, making it up as you go, reliving some delusional revisionist history.
Ah, but Trump will claim that it is Repeal and Replace making him and the GOP the owners and therefore responsible for all the good and bad that come of it.
The much wiser option would have been to claim "modify and live with it"...then they could have continued to hang any of the failures on Obama and the Democrats.
In whatever form it passes, it will eventually fail because the issues causing the rises in healthcare costs have not been addressed.
As long as healthcare remains a for-profit industry it will continue to seek the highest ROI meaning that costs will continue to rise and people will be priced out of the market. Those priced out will still use the system and will incur costs that will be passed along to those who are paying the freight. That cycle will continue to repeat itself until there is a critical mass large enough that is on the outside looking in.
Actually you would be wrong.
Obama and the Democrats wanted to offer a public option to private insurance...more or less a buy-in to Medicare but pulled it due to GOP opposition.
insurance will fail in this country because it is no longer insurance. an insurance policy is something you buy hoping nothing happens. the company hedges this and hopes as well. if you own a house and it burns down, and you didn't have insurance on it, you can't simply then go buy insurance to cover the losses and expect a company buy in. it's insane. also, you have to pay for your homeowner's insurance, car insurance etc. you don't simply get it for having a home but expect the other homeowners to pay extra on their policies so the govt can take what they need to cover your home.
that and lawyers and everyone is fat and in poor health in this country.
that and lawyers and everyone is fat and in poor health in this country.
Bipartisan bill. That neither side is happy, is a good sign.
I can tell you that some on both sides did. Ask Steve Beshear. He fought it tooth and nail. Then the dems trot him out as their rebuttal speaker. Of course msm said nothing of it.
I can tell you that some on both sides did. Ask Steve Beshear. He fought it tooth and nail. Then the dems trot him out as their rebuttal speaker. Of course msm said nothing of it.
President Barack Obama on Wednesday laid out a series of compromises he's willing to make to get a health care overhaul through a nervous Congress.
Laying out a series compromises doesn't = allowing them to review/read the entire bill. Nice try, though. The Republicans were 100% opposed because they never had the chance to actually read what was in the bill. No one had a clue what Obamacare even was. Only a moron would vote for that. Reminds me of the morons who sign contracts without reading the entire thing.
Exactly. It's nearly impossible for anyone to participate in the healthcare system without insurance. Yet if you show up at the ER they have to treat you. They can't repossess that care if you don't can't pay.
Every other form of insurance only pays for the losses of the policy holders. Healthcare providers pass along losses to the insured so the insured must pay for both their care and the care of those who cannot pay.
Present all you want, but you and I will probably disagree on the definition of a conservative, so I'm not sure what it will accomplish. Just because the media labels some group conservative doesn't mean they really are.
