POLITICAL THREAD

[AustinTXCat]

WSJ:

771,480

The estimated number of people who were homeless in the U.S. in 2024, a record, according to the Department of Housing and Urban Development. The tally marks an 18% increase from a year earlier, and was fueled by factors including an influx of migrant families, a lack of affordable housing and natural disasters.

Thanks, Joe! Thanks, Kamala!

 

[Bigmikeydelight]

ban it because it keeps the peace? and not because it is morally reprehensible? do better for your kid, man.

Here’s the libertarian in me. I don’t care what other people do. I will not be taking my kids to such events and so if a family does that, that’s isn’t a decision for me to make. If you guys want to take that ability for a family to do that, that’s fine too because either way my children will it be exposed. The second option requires lifting on your end, though.

 

[Lost In FL]

If someone broke into your home but brought kids, the kids don't get to just stay even when their parents are removed. Not only are they not here legally, but we must remove every incentive for illegal immigration.



They are not but they are not the one committing the crime. Still doesn't mean they should be allowed to stay.

The children are not here legally, meaning they are here illegally. That's my point.

Not their fault, fair, but they are here illegally and need to be removed with their parents or sent back to their familia from wherever they came. But make no mistake, they are here illegally too.

Edit: the kids did break the law too. One can argue "not their fault", okay, but it is still illegal.

 

[Lost In FL]

Here’s the libertarian in me. I don’t care what other people do. I will not be taking my kids to such events and so if a family does that, that’s isn’t a decision for me to make. If you guys want to take that ability for a family to do that, that’s fine too because either way my children will it be exposed. The second option requires lifting on your end, though.

Why can't cigarette companies advertise on TV anymore? You are probably too young to remember Joe Camel. Why do game makers have to put a rating on their games? The libertarian in me doesn't give 2 chits whether they do or not. But I'm an adult. But if we "accept" those rules as a society ...

These rules were put in place because kids cannot tell right from wrong at that age and are severely impressionable. Similarly, kids should not be allowed in strip clubs or drag shows of any kind. It is not appropriate for their age. Why that is debatable is really strange to me.

 

[Bigmikeydelight]

Why can't cigarette companies advertise on TV anymore? You are probably too young to remember Joe Camel. Why do game makers have to put a rating on their games? The libertarian in me doesn't give 2 chits whether they do or not. But I'm an adult. But if we "accept" those rules ...

These rules were put in place because kids cannot tell right from wrong at that age and are severely impressionable. Similarly, kids should not be allowed in strip clubs or drag shows of any kind. It is not appropriate for their age. Why that is debatable is really strange to me.

Ban it. I have no issue on banning it.

 

[sambowieshin]

Stop it you idiot. You proved our point. They did not choose to leave but were forced to, for their lives. Would they have gone to Egypt if Harrod had not killed the first birn sons? No. They sought refuge and were classic refugees. Nothing else.

They did not wake up and say....lets emigrate to Egypt. They did not remain and become Egyptian. They were refugees who returned at the first opportunity. Gawd you are stoooopid.

So they were ASYLUM seekers just like I said. Thanks to you as well for proving my point yet again. Like clockwork.
Just like the many refugees that cross the border into the United States every day seeking refuge and asylum from gangs, governments and other dangers.
By your logic....Egypt should have taken Baby Jesus from his mom's arms...put him in a cage.....and sent Mary and Joseph packing back to King Harod.
Better to be stupid than wicked and heartless.
It's never too late to come to the light.

Read. Your. Bible.

"The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God."
Leviticus 19:34

"And you are to love those who are foreigners, for you yourselves were foreigners in Egypt."
Deuteronomy 10:19

“This is what the Lord Almighty said: ‘Administer true justice; show mercy and compassion to one another. Do not oppress the widow or the fatherless, the foreigner or the poor. Do not plot evil against each other.’
Zechariah 7:9-10

Keep on loving one another as brothers and sisters. Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it. Continue to remember those in prison as if you were together with them in prison, and those who are mistreated as if you yourselves were suffering.
Hebrews 13:1-3

 

[vhcat70]

If someone broke into your home but brought kids, the kids don't get to just stay even when their parents are removed. Not only are they not here legally, but we must remove every incentive for illegal immigration.

Attempt at analogy fails. A home is private property where privacy is invaded & perhaps physical & property damage is caused. See VZ gangs. Entry into US isn't into private property & attacks nothing.

Once more, why punish grown adults who have done nothing wrong? Vindictive as hell. Much more productive to legalize them.

 

[vhcat70]

WSJ:

771,480

The estimated number of people who were homeless in the U.S. in 2024, a record, according to the Department of Housing and Urban Development. The tally marks an 18% increase from a year earlier, and was fueled by factors including an influx of migrant families, a lack of affordable housing and natural disasters.

Thanks, Joe! Thanks, Kamala!

Data: 0.2% of the population including migrants.

 

[DrH. Lecter]

So they were ASYLUM seekers just like I said. Thanks to you as well for proving my point yet again. Like clockwork.
Just like the many refugees that cross the border into the United States every day seeking refuge and asylum from gangs, governments and other dangers.
By your logic....Egypt should have taken Baby Jesus from his mom's arms...put him in a cage.....and sent Mary and Joseph packing back to King Harod.
Better to be stupid than wicked and heartless.
It's never too late to come to the light.

Read. Your. Bible.

"The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God."
Leviticus 19:34

"And you are to love those who are foreigners, for you yourselves were foreigners in Egypt."
Deuteronomy 10:19

“This is what the Lord Almighty said: ‘Administer true justice; show mercy and compassion to one another. Do not oppress the widow or the fatherless, the foreigner or the poor. Do not plot evil against each other.’
Zechariah 7:9-10

Keep on loving one another as brothers and sisters. Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it. Continue to remember those in prison as if you were together with them in prison, and those who are mistreated as if you yourselves were suffering.
Hebrews 13:1-3

I missed the part in the Bible where they went to the Egyptian embassy and applied for asylum. You certainly got me there. Did they use the Pharoah app?

 

[DrH. Lecter]

So they were ASYLUM seekers just like I said. Thanks to you as well for proving my point yet again. Like clockwork.
Just like the many refugees that cross the border into the United States every day seeking refuge and asylum from gangs, governments and other dangers.
By your logic....Egypt should have taken Baby Jesus from his mom's arms...put him in a cage.....and sent Mary and Joseph packing back to King Harod.
Better to be stupid than wicked and heartless.
It's never too late to come to the light.

Read. Your. Bible.

"The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God."
Leviticus 19:34

"And you are to love those who are foreigners, for you yourselves were foreigners in Egypt."
Deuteronomy 10:19

“This is what the Lord Almighty said: ‘Administer true justice; show mercy and compassion to one another. Do not oppress the widow or the fatherless, the foreigner or the poor. Do not plot evil against each other.’
Zechariah 7:9-10

Keep on loving one another as brothers and sisters. Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it. Continue to remember those in prison as if you were together with them in prison, and those who are mistreated as if you yourselves were suffering.
Hebrews 13:1-3

/2

What about THOU SHALT NOT BE AN EFFING LIAR.

 

[AshWilliams]

So they were ASYLUM seekers just like I said. Thanks to you as well for proving my point yet again. Like clockwork.
Just like the many refugees that cross the border into the United States every day seeking refuge and asylum from gangs, governments and other dangers.
By your logic....Egypt should have taken Baby Jesus from his mom's arms...put him in a cage.....and sent Mary and Joseph packing back to King Harod.
Better to be stupid than wicked and heartless.
It's never too late to come to the light.

Read. Your. Bible.

"The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God."
Leviticus 19:34

"And you are to love those who are foreigners, for you yourselves were foreigners in Egypt."
Deuteronomy 10:19

“This is what the Lord Almighty said: ‘Administer true justice; show mercy and compassion to one another. Do not oppress the widow or the fatherless, the foreigner or the poor. Do not plot evil against each other.’
Zechariah 7:9-10

Keep on loving one another as brothers and sisters. Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it. Continue to remember those in prison as if you were together with them in prison, and those who are mistreated as if you yourselves were suffering.
Hebrews 13:1-3

Cherrypicking idiot.

How about this one:

Rev. 21:8
"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

Be afraid, samboy.

 

[Bigmikeydelight]

Cherrypicking idiot.

How about this one:

Rev. 21:8
"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

Be afraid, samboy.

Can you point out the parts of the Bible that allow for you to be so mean spirited?

 

[Lost In FL]

Can you point out the parts of the Bible that allow for you to be so mean spirited?

I make no claims to being a "scholar", but Matthew 21:12 and Mark 11:15. Jesus was pissed because people were doing evil things in His Father's house. When being pissed (or "mean spirited") at evil, it must not be a sin.

IOW, you gotta take a stand somewhere. Some of us choose to fight the evil that is on here.

 

[Bigmikeydelight]

I make no claims to being a "scholar", but Matthew 21:12 and Mark 11:15. Jesus was pissed because people were doing evil things in His Father's house. When being pissed (or "mean spirited") at evil, it must not be a sin.

IOW, you gotta take a stand somewhere. Some of us choose to fight the evil that is on here.

Sure. But this isn’t a case where one person is just and another one is wicked. It’s two different mindsets trying to tackle the same problem. Sam isn’t evil for advocating for immigrants. You’re also not evil for wanting them to apply for immigration status in their own country and waiting for the process.

 

[Catfan in Tn.]

Arizona attorney general warns Trump deporting Dreamers would be a ‘bright red line’

Arizona Attorney General Kris Mayes told The UK Guardian newspaper in an interview that deporting DACA recipients and Dreamers are a 'red line' in a legal sense.

www.foxnews.com

 

[JumperJack]

Can you point out the parts of the Bible that allow for you to be so mean spirited?

What a foolish question.

“Pointing out the wrongdoing of others is mean! and being mean is a sin, right?”

 

[Lost In FL]

Sure. But this isn’t a case where one person is just and another one is wicked. It’s two different mindsets trying to tackle the same problem. Sam isn’t evil for advocating for immigrants. You’re also not evil for wanting them to apply for immigration status in their own country and waiting for the process.

You don't know Sam well enough. Trust me on this. He is evil.

 

[Bigmikeydelight]

What a foolish question.

“Pointing out the wrongdoing of others is mean! and being mean is a sin, right?”

The name calling certainly isn’t Jesus approved. We all sin, we just sin differently.

You don't know Sam well enough. Trust me on this. He is evil.

It’s unfortunate that he’s agnostic, I believe. But calling him a myriad of names anytime he post probably won’t make him reconsider his stance.

 

[Girthang]

You don't know Sam well enough. Trust me on this. He is evil.

And he's just being dishonest/ disingenuous again and again. He keeps leaving "illegal" out of his comments every time. Just another lying dirt bag hell bent on twisting words and wasting everyone's time.

He won't spend a minute considering giving illegal immigrants access to his home, cars, or bank accounts, retirement, etc. He's a virtue signaling liberal, fcol. That's not what they DO to "help." They'll sell their relatives for money in the right situation

In the meantime, it's you that should be paying more for their faux causes

 

[AustinTXCat]

** Wise Words Department **

"Juarez is reported to be the most dangerous city in America."

-Rick Perry

(Heh, good old Texas Governor)

 

[DrH. Lecter]

Can you point out the parts of the Bible that allow for you to be so mean spirited?

You dont believe anything in the Bible so your 6th grade debate troll is silly.

 

[UKBrassowTipIN]

Odds @sambowieshin buys the narrative

 

[DrH. Lecter]

Well no, I am arguing philosophy. There’s a reason why people say communism looks the best on paper.

When Stalin collected all the grain under the guise of sharing it with the masses was communism. Intentionally starving the Ukrainians happened under a communist regime, but itself is not communism.

Same with the Muslims in china now. The reeducation and imprisonment is not a philosophy of communism itself, but done by a dictator bent on controlling all aspects of life.

Same with the Tartars and Crimeans.

So if you want to continue this talk, just know I’m talking philosophies. Best socialist examples would be the Nordic hybrid system we see today.

How racially diverse are those, that you call Socialist hybrid systems? I believe some of those are constitutionally Christian BTW.

On paper? Like a Unicorn?

 

[Bigmikeydelight]

You dont believe anything in the Bible so your 6th grade debate troll is silly.

I believe Jesus died for our sins and then rose 3 days later. I also listen to Southland every Sunday. Grew up in the church and attended Canada Creek Baptist church every Wednesday and Sunday growing up.

 

[Bigmikeydelight]

How racially diverse are those, that you call Socialist hybrid systems? I believe some of those are constitutionally Christian BTW.

On paper? Like a Unicorn?

It wouldn’t work here. You’re talking about populations of 4 million to our 335 million behemoth. But the universal healthcare would certainly work here and actually save families about 2k a year. Universal income will also need to be considered as AI encompasses more of our lives.

 

[DrH. Lecter]

Sure. But this isn’t a case where one person is just and another one is wicked. It’s two different mindsets trying to tackle the same problem. Sam isn’t evil for advocating for immigrants. You’re also not evil for wanting them to apply for immigration status in their own country and waiting for the process.

Sambo is "anti American" for advocating illegal immigration. Then fighting to try to get them counted in the census and allowing them to vote without ID in our elections. Calling Patriots Nazis and racists. That all verges on being a traitor.

 

[SDC888]

I see you want to jump aboard. So what far left policies did Hitler hold. This is all trivial, but Ash seems hellbent to frame Hitler as a leftist and now you want in on the fun.

Regardless, he was a populist like the others and like 45 and 47. I’m not immediately saying that is a bad thing. Sometimes doing the right and popular thing and not being bound to party norms is a good thing. It could also be a slippery slope.

It is indeed trivial; one just must be well read. Your TLDR videos won't suffice. Actually read books written by competent authors, not your agenda driven marxist pseudo intellectuals.

The National Socialists shared everything in common with other socialists except the National part, hence the name, National. Of course there were other marked differences, like who ultimately controlled what, but they bear stark similarity to the modern Left, not the Right. The American Right are classical liberals, laissez-faire capitalists, wholly opposed to your socialist authoritarianism, national or otherwise. Authoritarianism is not "right-leaning;" it's collectivist, which is what you are. The American right is individualist, "don't tread on me!" You're just like Marxist brethren dionl oser we had before you surely, whose chosen namesake god is a pederast and chosen avatar was "we will tread on you!" You're authoritarian, not them. It's not "authoritarian" when they demand you stop sexualizing your students.

 

[DrH. Lecter]

I believe Jesus died for our sins and then rose 3 days later. I also listen to Southland every Sunday. Grew up in the church and attended Canada Creek Baptist church every Wednesday and Sunday growing up.

My apologies.

 

[DrH. Lecter]

It is indeed trivial; one just must be well read. Your TLDR videos won't suffice. Actually read books written by competent authors, not your agenda driven marxist pseudo intellectuals.

The National Socialists shared everything in common with other socialists except the National part, hence the name, National. Of course there were other marked differences, like who ultimatley controlled what, but they bear stark similarity to the modern Left, not the Right. The American Right are classical liberals, laissez-faire capitalists, wholly opposed to your socialist authoritarianism, national or otherwise. Authoritarianism is not "right-leaning;" it's collectivist, which is what you are. The American right is individualist, "don't tread on me!" You're just like Marxist brewthren dionloser we had before you surely, whose chosen namesake god is a pederast and chosen avatar was "we will tread on you!" You're authoritarian, not them. It's not "authoritarian" when they demand you stop sexualizing your students.

Bravo.

 

[SDC888]

At this point anything I say will just be repeating myself, I think you and I are probably over 95% in agreement on all of this. I don't think anyone is immune from criticism. I think they had a bad couple days and they needlessly gave the other side a gift.

In just over 3 weeks Trump takes office and all the talk will be about the decisions he is making, about what he deems so urgent he has to do it in his first week, first month, etc. And sooner than that, all the talk will sadly I'm assuming be about blanket pardons and whatever else the Dems have cooked up for the last minute. The visa issue will come up again in due time, I hope both factions drop it for just a little while though.

Probably over 99%... some excellent posts you made there, kudos.

 

[UKBrassowTipIN]

Well no, I am arguing philosophy. There’s a reason why people say communism looks the best on paper.

When Stalin collected all the grain under the guise of sharing it with the masses was communism. Intentionally starving the Ukrainians happened under a communist regime, but itself is not communism.

Same with the Muslims in china now. The reeducation and imprisonment is not a philosophy of communism itself, but done by a dictator bent on controlling all aspects of life.

Same with the Tartars and Crimeans.

So if you want to continue this talk, just know I’m talking philosophies. Best socialist examples would be the Nordic hybrid system we see today.

The by product of socialism is that it leads to communist dictatorships.

People talk about the disadvantages of capitalism but negate the disadvantages of socialism. There is no utopia it's not possible...every system will be flawed, and since perfect or "real", whether "real" socialism or "real" capitalism, don't exist (we don't live in a real capitalist society now) the one that is more beneficial is the one you go with and flawed capitalism is better than flawed socialism, and the down spiral of capitalism is way better than the down spiral of socialism.

Nordics aren't socialist. So you may say, okay fine, it's capitalist then let's do that. But the left and progressives don't want to do that. They are strict on immigration, are homogeneous ppl, some of the countries ate propped up by....natural gas. Commies like bernie tend to skip over the top 10% only pay around 25% of taxes in Scandinavia, that's almost half of what the top 10% pay here, they also have low corporate tax. Americans are more entrepreneurial, and tgus dont collectively accept the middle class giving up more of their income, as tgey do there. Bernie says billionaires shouldn't exist...there are a lot in Scandinavia especially after all countries combined being a much smaller country than the US. There's no commie inheritance tax either in most of their countries, socialists hate that. They also don't fund other countries wars other than the little nato asks. Etc etc

In other words, democratic socialists here claim they want things, but they've only nitpicking the things they want they actively advocate against the other things in our own country

 

[Bigmikeydelight]

My apologies.

It's all good.

It is indeed trivial; one just must be well read. Your TLDR videos won't suffice. Actually read books written by competent authors, not your agenda driven marxist pseudo intellectuals.

The National Socialists shared everything in common with other socialists except the National part, hence the name, National. Of course there were other marked differences, like who ultimately controlled what, but they bear stark similarity to the modern Left, not the Right. The American Right are classical liberals, laissez-faire capitalists, wholly opposed to your socialist authoritarianism, national or otherwise. Authoritarianism is not "right-leaning;" it's collectivist, which is what you are. The American right is individualist, "don't tread on me!" You're just like Marxist brethren dionl oser we had before you surely, whose chosen namesake god is a pederast and chosen avatar was "we will tread on you!" You're authoritarian, not them. It's not "authoritarian" when they demand you stop sexualizing your students.

My socialist philosophies are already popular with democrats and Republicans alike. The best thing about Trump is that the policies that I like that are popular, UHC and universal healthcare, have a much better chance at gaining momentum in his tenure than by any traditional republican or democrat.

I am actually excited about Trump's tenure. Best case scenario, his unique approach will take the best ideas the dems and pubs have and he will incorporate them regardless. He's not tethered to republican norms this go around.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

The children are not here legally, meaning they are here illegally. That's my point.

Not their fault, fair, but they are here illegally and need to be removed with their parents or sent back to their familia from wherever they came. But make no mistake, they are here illegally too.

Edit: the kids did break the law too. One can argue "not their fault", okay, but it is still illegal.

Kids dont make the conscious choice to invade. Their parents did. So they are not here legally, but did not themselves commit a crime because they lacked the intent. Its a small distinction but i agree with your overall premise.

Attempt at analogy fails. A home is private property where privacy is invaded & perhaps physical & property damage is caused. See VZ gangs. Entry into US isn't into private property & attacks nothing.

Once more, why punish grown adults who have done nothing wrong? Vindictive as hell. Much more productive to legalize them.

Its the exact same. Can say the same thing for any sporting venue, place of business, etc.

It isnt vindictive. Being here illegally or not is an unemotional analysis and its one of the few times the law is pretty binary. You are either here legally or you are not.

Removing all incentive to come here is by far the best way to combat this insane problem.

 

[SDC888]

Sure. But this isn’t a case where one person is just and another one is wicked. It’s two different mindsets trying to tackle the same problem. Sam isn’t evil for advocating for immigrants. You’re also not evil for wanting them to apply for immigration status in their own country and waiting for the process.

No, it most definitely is not. This is precisely such a case.

Mass unfettered immigration as practiced by this joke of an outgoing administration is most certainly a great evil, for all concerned. The reasons for this are readily apparent to anyone who is fair minded, i.e. not corrupted by perverse incentives or ideology.

Sam's deceptive and disingenuous "argumentation" is also evil, never mind the fact that it is in support of a great evil. Engaging him on this topic is its own evil because he is magnifying his error. He's stirring the pot, the name-calling he gets in response is not what's precluding him. He's traded good for evil and called it good. They'll reap what they've sown.

 

[SDC888]

 

[hmt5000]

Here we go again. Yep. Of all the 500k + dreamers, not a one has done anything wrong. Legalize them ALL!

YOU GET A CITIZENSHIP, YOU GET A COTIZENSHIP!!

Christ, you're approaching Village Idiot levels of stupid here.

It's wild once the mention of Trump actually doing what he ran on that VH becomes an unhinged open boarder and big government advocate... LOL

 

[BBUK]

Arizona attorney general warns Trump deporting Dreamers would be a ‘bright red line’

Arizona Attorney General Kris Mayes told The UK Guardian newspaper in an interview that deporting DACA recipients and Dreamers are a 'red line' in a legal sense.

www.foxnews.com

P_SS on his legal sense... Go with them...

 

[yes_takeaside]

Nobody like Bernie has ever done anything good for anybody because no one like him can.

He's a loser: an ideologue, a grifter, A con.

Bernie has never had a real job doing anything. He’s rich because every time he ran for office he hired his wife as a campaign worker and paid her a lot each time. He’s a parasite.

 

[SDC888]

Bernie has never had a real job doing anything. He’s rich because every time he ran for office he hired his wife as a campaign worker and paid her a lot each time. He’s a parasite.

Taking from the rich to give to the poor is atonement.

 

[warrior-cat]

The only ppl that say this are: immature philosophers or dishonest philosophers. The immature NEVER take into account the sinful nature of mankind. The dishonest type from a lap of luxury, never admitting they would backstab someone in a heartbeat if they were hungry enough.

Communism fails every time. Every time. The only exception would perhaps be a small community, that is protected by a larger, free society. The amish would not survive in china, saudi, etc.

To disagree is foolishness.

Communism fails because...Man (generalized term meaning humans). There will always be greed and corruption, and communism will not work because there will always be evil people who will want it all or as much as they can get. Not meaning billionaires or millionaires per say, but leaders who use communistic/socialistic/dictatorship or totalitarian rule over the people. These leaders want riches and power and will keep the people down to keep it. The best system in this world is the capitalistic system by far. Yes, there are corrupt and evil people in this system as well, but we have thus far been able to keep it going. Unfortunately, there are forces in this country (namely liberal democrats) who have increasingly damaged our country by trying to change us to one of the afore mentioned styles of governance.

Liberalism is a cancer, always has been and always will be. We dodged a bullet (literally) with this last election. We (patriotic Americans) must remain diligent (especially leaders like Trump) and keep the evil that is liberalism out of complete power. If they get it, we will fall.