POLITICAL THREAD

[TheFrontRunner]

It will get the conversation going, which needs to be had. We don't need to import the third world. The left benefits from this as they seek to balkanize us, to degrade our culture, to destroy patriotism. Remember that Marxist we used to have Dion? "Western CIv doesn't exist. "

It's treasonous to the American worker.

I was listening to podcast this morning while doing something. Guy made the point, which I agree with, essentially we should do some sort of a moratorium on immigration. Only the top .1 % until we figure things out, stabilize our lower income economy.




Get educated. Seriously... WHo educated the educators?

SPeaking of dion... THat's worse than Dion and his "History" degree.

At this point anything I say will just be repeating myself, I think you and I are probably over 95% in agreement on all of this. I don't think anyone is immune from criticism. I think they had a bad couple days and they needlessly gave the other side a gift.

In just over 3 weeks Trump takes office and all the talk will be about the decisions he is making, about what he deems so urgent he has to do it in his first week, first month, etc. And sooner than that, all the talk will sadly I'm assuming be about blanket pardons and whatever else the Dems have cooked up for the last minute. The visa issue will come up again in due time, I hope both factions drop it for just a little while though.

 

[sambowieshin]

No, your dumb ass kept referring to them incorrectly as IMMIGRANTS.

By dictionary definition, they were REFUGEES.

Now it appears your single mind has caught on to what about 20 people here have been telling you for days, amd here you slyly try and backtrack now.

That's your M.O.

Screech stupidity, double amd triple down, then sheepishly act like that what everyone told you is what you were saying all along.

In other words, you're a useless piece of shit Village Idiot.

From AI....
"A person can be both a refugee and an immigrant. A refugee is someone who is forced to leave their home country due to war, violence, or persecution, and is unable to return home safely. An immigrant is someone who chooses to leave their home country to live in another country."
They were both.
Just because they later returned, doesn't mean they weren't refugees and immigrants at one time during their journeys.
You are such a low level IQ minion that your brain only processes information in simple black/white pieces.
Two different things can both be true at the same time.
The funniest part of all this is that the whole basis for your argument is the desire to brainwash yourself into believing that Jesus was never in any way/shape or form similar to the same people you wanna throw in cages and treat like sh**.
Your little pea brain can't handle the hard truth of the man in the mirror.
WWJD???

 

[sambowieshin]

Anyone of any age entering the US illegally is breaking the law, along with anyone aiding them, and anyone harboring them. Just in case anyone was wondering....

Anyone can enter at any place or time into US territory and LEGALLY claim ASYLUM.
Their case may not be substantiated via the court process but they are allowed to enter until their case is heard.
Nothing illegal about it.

 

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[Bigmikeydelight]

Get educated. Seriously... WHo educated the educators?

SPeaking of dion... THat's worse than Dion and his "History" degree.

I see you want to jump aboard. So what far left policies did Hitler hold. This is all trivial, but Ash seems hellbent to frame Hitler as a leftist and now you want in on the fun.

Regardless, he was a populist like the others and like 45 and 47. I’m not immediately saying that is a bad thing. Sometimes doing the right and popular thing and not being bound to party norms is a good thing. It could also be a slippery slope.

 

[Cold Stout Beer]

Hoodie is the best of Liberals these days. Gotta make the rest of them SEETHE. 🤣

 

[HeismaNole]

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If white privilege was a thing, you wouldn’t have white people pretending to be a different race to get privileges 😂

 

[Lost In FL]

Nope. Children arriving with their parents are not breaking a law, just the parents.

So the children came here legally?

 

[bigblueinsanity]

We don't seem to need as much imported intelligence as they try to suggest though, and the more you read about H1B visas the less you think we need most of them here.

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"The economics of it: These body shops are headed by former hiring managers from Big Tech companies. They bring people to America, rent apartments for them, and house about 10 together in one apartment.

They put these recipients through a ~4 week bootcamp of basic tech training, fraudulently rewrite their resumes, teach them how to interview.

The body shops land them jobs, primarily at the companies these hiring managers came from, and pay the workers less than half of the money in hand.Ex. Job is listed as a $200k salary, but the company is contracted with the body shop *not* the H1B worker, and the worker is actually paid closer to $40 an hour. The body shops pocket most of the money and are making millions by essentially trafficking people."

The other important thing about that number is it assumes all are equal because they have the same education level. Unfortunately not so, because in the US, much of that education is spent on woke bs. That's why almost everyone under 30 is an insufferable little sh1t who is practically worthless in the job space.

Idk how anyone runs a company nowadays. Hiring is impossible especially for entry level.

 

[Girthang]

What cannot be explained to those that cherry pick Bible verses, is that their understanding of the Bible is limited, as are all of their attempts to compare it to the modern social model.

Israel as founded was not a political entity but a combination of faith and nation. It was at its founding a combination of those who were descendants of Jacob, and those from the nations that attached themselves to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. They were the sojourners/foreigners spoken of in the verses they will quote.

They were not simply asylum seekers, nor were they allowed in simply because they wanted prosperity.

The sojourners/foreigners spoken of were entering Israel TO FOLLOW the God of the Israelites and were required to give up their ties to their former faith and practices to follow the law as given to Moses by God in the wilderness. If they did not follow the laws, they were subject to the same penalties for failing to do so. Namely stoning/death.

People trying to enter the country for monetary gain and not willing to assimilate, were not allowed except temporarily and only if vouched for or sponsored by someone the govt recognized as legitimate. The person sponsoring them would house them and be responsible for their actions, which is why it was infrequently done.

To compare illegal immigrants to true asylum seekers is way past disingenuous at this point. It's malicious in its mischaracterization. People entering a property seeking monetary or property gains are by foundational definition thieves and their actions fundamentally illegal.

Unless anyone in this country is willing to legally allow any immigrants to enter their homes, confiscate their property, and begin living with them, they are complete hypocrites and unworthy of an audience. They are liars and frauds and know it. Please stop speaking with them as they have a spirit with which you cannot reason.

Political asylum seekers have a process.
Visa seekers and non-resident aliens have a process.
Dual citizens have a process.

That process involves obeying all of the laws of this country upon entry into the country. Violation of those laws should require greater punishment to people entering the country than those already having citizenship, because it demonstrates the malicious intent of those entering. Those entering illegally should be sentenced appropriately as spies, precisely because they are, by entering without regard to laws and restrictions, not intending to follow our laws as citizens are required, but to undermine the very foundation of the republic.

Intent is declared by action.

Just as a thief declares their intent by attempting to steal, just as an invader declares their intent by breaking in, and just as a follower declares their intent by NOT following their master, so too does an immigrant or citizen declare their intentions by trying to circumvent the laws and destroy the borders of this country. It is treasonous and the death penalty should apply.

Likewise, when they enter this country illegally, they have voluntarily given up their protections as a citizen of another country. No protections should be afforded them. No requirement of return is there at that point, because they have chosen to enter rather as a combatant or enemy of the state. Those aiding and abetting them likewise, and the latter are directly responsible for all crimes committed by those whom they allow or encourage to enter illegally.

Mary and Joseph and their children were subject to the laws of Egypt while they were there. It was never a permanent move. It was clearly and stated specifically as temporary, and cannot be honestly compared to people flooding across an internationally recognized border.

If they have entered illegally, it is our responsibility to find them, take them into custody, confiscate their property and finances gained, require them to return finances and property exported by them, and either export them if they cooperate or execute them based on their crimes while illegally in this country. It is is a crime to be here illegally. The fruit of being here illegally is also rendered stolen. Sending stolen goods across the border to another country is a federal offense, with serious consequences, and should be treated as such.

 

[Blackish_Mamba]

I see you want to jump aboard. So what far left policies did Hitler hold. This is all trivial, but Ash seems hellbent to frame Hitler as a leftist and now you want in on the fun.

Regardless, he was a populist like the others and like 45 and 47. I’m not immediately saying that is a bad thing. Sometimes doing the right and popular thing and not being bound to party norms is a good thing. It could also be a slippery slope.

Dion the Canadian, fascism and socialism are a degree of the same thing. You support both.

I don’t know why you keep doing this. But you’re wrong.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

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Jmo but i think the odds are high that one of trump, Elon, or rfk dont make it the next 4 years. They are going to disrupt maybe trillions of dollars.

 

[Blackish_Mamba]

So the children came here legally?

He is a traitor. He supports illegal aliens.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Nope. Children arriving with their parents are not breaking a law, just the parents.

I agree they aren't breaking the law. However they too must go.

 

[TheFrontRunner]

 

[HeismaNole]

https://www.facebook.com/share/15iDMintht/?

 

[Girthang]

"The foreigner who resides with you shall be to you as the citizen among you..."

Meaning subject to the same laws. Subject to the same consequences. You treat the person as their actions warrant.

"Resident" (one who resides) alien also means they have not entered illegally, but through proper legal channels.

Very simple and straight forward reasoning. Only evil people twist words like some do, but their father is the father of lies and twisting of words. He was that way from the very beginning

 

[Girthang]

Hitler's left leaning policies emanated from the basic belief that the state is supreme, but only as long as it conforms to his current choices regarding its existence and powers.

This is the heart of the left's dogma and always has been.

Slavery was always OK with the left, if it's on their terms. Fascism is OK if it's on their terms. Abuse is OK as long as it's on their terms. Breaking the law is OK as long as it's on their terms. The standard can be the standard only so long as it's on their terms.

Their terms are ever-changing, just like their leadership and definitions of words and feelings.

 

[Bigmikeydelight]

Dion the Canadian, fascism and socialism are a degree of the same thing. You support both.

I don’t know why you keep doing this. But you’re wrong.

They’re actually on opposite ends of the spectrum.

 

[Girthang]

Children being brought into the country illegally are not citizens of this country. They need to go back to their parents, and with their parents.

This is of course moot when it comes to the vast majority of children brought here through this illegal process, because they did not come with their parents. At this point they need to be rescued and returned to their families.

 

[DrH. Lecter]

Despite the lies and fear mongering by the left. Lies that turned Sambortion into a complete whining tweenage rape fantasies fabulist....the data shows just the opposite. Abortions are slightly up over predobs. Dems are finding plenty of ways to kill off future Dems, while saving taxpayers future costs to the social safety net. Win win.

More than six in 10 US abortions in 2023 were done by medication — a significant jump since 2020

The data was released a week before the high court will hear arguments in a case that could impact how women get access to mifepristone.

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[vhcat70]

I agree they aren't breaking the law. However they too must go.

So even if the family eludes "capture" for say 10-12 years, the kids have jobs, they aren't even with their parents anymore (Dead?, Missing?), they need to go? FWIW, I disagree that they do - as I said many times.

 

[vhcat70]

Trump’s Tariffs Will Refill the Swamp​

"During his first term, Donald Trump promised to “drain the swamp.” That didn’t happen. Now he may actually do the opposite. If Mr. Trump succeeds in imposing across-the-board tariffs, the swamp will grow."

"The problem is that Mr. Trump’s tariff program would energize and empower these elites. By directing government to impose levies on allies and adversaries alike, he’d be giving more strength to the swamp monsters he’s supposed to be defeating.

"When Washington wants to impose new taxes, including tariffs, the companies and people who would be affected rush to trade associations, public-relations firms and lobbyists for help. These outfits then encourage their clients to make sizable donations to elected officials and their political-action committees. That doesn’t ensure the elected officials will take the company’s side, but it can often open their doors for access."

"We saw this play out in response to Mr. Trump’s tariffs during his first term. When he imposed strict steel and aluminum tariffs in 2018, thousands of U.S. companies lobbied the Commerce Department to end the tariffs or exempt their operations. Some companies exempted from the tariffs lobbied the Commerce Department to keep them in place on their competitors.

As his tariff regime expanded, the number of companies deploying lobbyists in Washington tripled. According to the Journal, there were roughly 100 groups lobbying on tariff issues when Mr. Trump took office. By June 2018, there were nearly 450. Imagine how many more there will be if his second-term tariff program is as expansive as he’s promising."

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[Bigmikeydelight]

Hitler's left leaning policies emanated from the basic belief that the state is supreme, but only as long as it conforms to his current choices regarding its existence and powers.

This is the heart of the left's dogma and always has been.

Slavery was always OK with the left, if it's on their terms. Fascism is OK if it's on their terms. Abuse is OK as long as it's on their terms. Breaking the law is OK as long as it's on their terms. The standard can be the standard only so long as it's on their terms.

Their terms are ever-changing, just like their leadership and definitions of words and feelings.

Authoritarianism is right leaning. Removal of Jews, Jehovah witnesses, gays, handicapped, and anyone else that is not desirable is a far right leaning construct.

Socialism and communism is all about equality abroad. Sometimes that means everyone starves, right?

I think most people here are right leaning, but I’m not accusing anyone here of being Hitler. I am also not accusing that of Trump.

Slavery by definition would also not be a policy of the left as it is placing a class below another.

 

[Girthang]

Allowing a majority or minority in our society to dictate what is right or wrong, what can be spoken or not spoken, contrary to the constitution is fascism. It is also socialism. Putting someone in prison for speaking differently is fascism. Putting someone in prison for speaking against social norms is socialism.

They are not on different ends of some fictitious spectrum.

This Republic has laws that prevent you from taking away or infringing on the rights of other citizens. You may not assault them or their property. You may not even seek to remove their rights from them. It is considered treason to promote a law that would seek to cause the death of an innocent life. Borders and property lines are to be enforced and protected. Citizens and their rights are to be protected.

Running naked in public is illegal. Sexual and physical abuse of children is illegal. Directly threatening to harm someone is grounds for them defending themselves. Trying to enter or refusing to leave a private property from which you are barred by the owner is illegal, and grounds for lethal defense.

Crimes require just and blind punishment. They cannot be investigated, prosecuted, and punished based on political affiliation, race, gender, religion, or any other criteria.

Wanting the govt to decide what is wrong based on who is in power, rather than adhering to a set of principles that transcend feelings and social whims, is fascism and socialism.

 

[DrH. Lecter]

From AI....
"A person can be both a refugee and an immigrant. A refugee is someone who is forced to leave their home country due to war, violence, or persecution, and is unable to return home safely. An immigrant is someone who chooses to leave their home country to live in another country."
They were both.
Just because they later returned, doesn't mean they weren't refugees and immigrants at one time during their journeys.
You are such a low level IQ minion that your brain only processes information in simple black/white pieces.
Two different things can both be true at the same time.
The funniest part of all this is that the whole basis for your argument is the desire to brainwash yourself into believing that Jesus was never in any way/shape or form similar to the same people you wanna throw in cages and treat like sh**.
Your little pea brain can't handle the hard truth of the man in the mirror.
WWJD???

Stop it you idiot. You proved our point. They did not choose to leave but were forced to, for their lives. Would they have gone to Egypt if Harrod had not killed the first birn sons? No. They sought refuge and were classic refugees. Nothing else.

They did not wake up and say....lets emigrate to Egypt. They did not remain and become Egyptian. They were refugees who returned at the first opportunity. Gawd you are stoooopid.

 

[ukalumni00]

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Biden is such a mastermind. Left all of that equipment behind so they would kill themselves trying to operate it…

 

[DrH. Lecter]

Authoritarianism is right leaning. Removal of Jews, Jehovah witnesses, gays, handicapped, and anyone else that is not desirable is a far right leaning construct.

Socialism and communism is all about equality abroad. Sometimes that means everyone starves, right?

I think most people here are right leaning, but I’m not accusing anyone here of being Hitler. I am also not accusing that of Trump.

Slavery by definition would also not be a policy of the left as it is placing a class below another.

Then explain the Uyghuars in Communist China. I know that you smug leftists have convinced yourself of moral superiority, that all ills are on the right... That is nonsense.

Stalin jailing gays in the Soviet Union?
Communist North Korea? Is there gay marriage? Can you get a sex change? NO

I can continue disprovimg your list if you'd like.

 

[augustaky1]

Biden is such a mastermind. Left all of that equipment behind so they would kill themselves trying to operate it…

Brilliant!

Unlike that helicopter, it went right over their heads. <- Lame, I know, and I don't care; I made myself chuckle.

 

[TheFrontRunner]

This self-righteous, biased tool once moderated a presidential debate and was a White House correspondent. Shocker people lost trust in the media. This is a top ten 'didn't age well' post of 2024.

 

[Girthang]

Stop it you idiot. You proved our point. They did not choose to leave but were forced to, for their lives. Would they have gone to Egypt if Harrod had not killed the first birn sons? No. They sought refuge and were classic refugees. Nothing else.

They did not wake up and say....lets emigrate to Egypt. They did not remain and become Egyptian. They were refugees who returned at the first opportunity. Gawd you are stoooopid.

Quit being so nice to it. Maybe it will go away

 

[Girthang]

Then explain the Uyghuars in Communist China. I know that you smug leftists have convinced yourself of moral superiority, that all ills are on the right... That is nonsense.

Stalin jailing gays in the Soviet Union?
Communist North Korea? Is there gay marriage? Can you get a sex change? NO

I can continue disprovimg your list if you'd like.

He's just FOS and knows it. Probably gets a woody if anyone even responds to him

 

[Bigmikeydelight]

Then explain the Uyghuars in Communist China. I know that you smug leftists have convinced yourself of moral superiority, that all ills are on the right... That is nonsense.

Stalin jailing gays in the Soviet Union?

I can continue disprovimg your list if you'd like.

Well no, I am arguing philosophy. There’s a reason why people say communism looks the best on paper.

When Stalin collected all the grain under the guise of sharing it with the masses was communism. Intentionally starving the Ukrainians happened under a communist regime, but itself is not communism.

Same with the Muslims in china now. The reeducation and imprisonment is not a philosophy of communism itself, but done by a dictator bent on controlling all aspects of life.

Same with the Tartars and Crimeans.

So if you want to continue this talk, just know I’m talking philosophies. Best socialist examples would be the Nordic hybrid system we see today.

 

[Blackish_Mamba]

Stop it you idiot. You proved our point. They did not choose to leave but were forced to, for their lives. Would they have gone to Egypt if Harrod had not killed the first birn sons? No. They sought refuge and were classic refugees. Nothing else.

They did not wake up and say....lets emigrate to Egypt. They did not remain and become Egyptian. They were refugees who returned at the first opportunity. Gawd you are stoooopid.

It’s even more than that. Jesus wasn’t the typical refugee. He had to leave as you said. Herod is a blood descendant of Esau who God hated and gave Isreal to Jacob. Esau bloodline went to the fallen angels Luciferians as he mated with them. The whole Esau bloodline became proselytized and Jewish converts. That whole bloodline is Luciferians. Wouldn’t be surprised if ended up in the Bauer (Rothchilds).

Sam picked the most stupid example.

 

[Lost In FL]

Well no, I am arguing philosophy. There’s a reason why people say communism looks the best on paper.

The only ppl that say this are: immature philosophers or dishonest philosophers. The immature NEVER take into account the sinful nature of mankind. The dishonest type from a lap of luxury, never admitting they would backstab someone in a heartbeat if they were hungry enough.

When Stalin collected all the grain under the guise of sharing it with the masses was communism. Intentionally starving the Ukrainians happened under a communist regime, but itself is not communism.

Same with the Muslims in china now. The reeducation and imprisonment is not a philosophy of communism itself, but done by a dictator bent on controlling all aspects of life.

Same with the Tartars and Crimeans.

So if you want to continue this talk, just know I’m talking philosophies. Best socialist examples would be the Nordic hybrid system we see today.

Communism fails every time. Every time. The only exception would perhaps be a small community, that is protected by a larger, free society. The amish would not survive in china, saudi, etc.

To disagree is foolishness.

 

[AshWilliams]

I see you want to jump aboard. So what far left policies did Hitler hold. This is all trivial, but Ash seems hellbent to frame Hitler as a leftist and now you want in on the fun.

Regardless, he was a populist like the others and like 45 and 47. I’m not immediately saying that is a bad thing. Sometimes doing the right and popular thing and not being bound to party norms is a good thing. It could also be a slippery slope.

Straw man and a LIE. I never said that, nor am I "hellbent on framing" him.

Try again, fraud.

 

[AshWilliams]

Authoritarianism is right leaning. Removal of Jews, Jehovah witnesses, gays, handicapped, and anyone else that is not desirable is a far right leaning construct.

Socialism and communism is all about equality abroad. Sometimes that means everyone starves, right?

I think most people here are right leaning, but I’m not accusing anyone here of being Hitler. I am also not accusing that of Trump.

Slavery by definition would also not be a policy of the left as it is placing a class below another.

Notice how DESPERATE "bigmikey" (a.k.a. Dion) is to ABANDON his wacky attempt to rehabilitate Bernie Sanders. He's literally attacking a straw man about Hitler in a Hail Mary.

 

[AshWilliams]

They’re actually on opposite ends of the spectrum.

You're wrong.

 

[Bigmikeydelight]

The only ppl that say this are: immature philosophers or dishonest philosophers. The immature NEVER take into account the sinful nature of mankind. The dishonest type from a lap of luxury, never admitting they would backstab someone in a heartbeat if they were hungry enough.

Communism fails every time. Every time. The only exception would perhaps be a small community, that is protected by a larger, free society. The amish would not survive in china, saudi, etc.

To disagree is foolishness.

That’s why I am not advocating for a socialist society, merely the components that would fit nicely into the society we have now.

Straw man and a LIE. I never said that, nor am I "hellbent on framing" him.

Try again, fraud.

Well you’ve called him a commie and a socialist, but you haven’t called him what he is. He’s a fascist.

 

[Bigmikeydelight]

You're wrong.

No I am not. They’re equally bad if that’s what you are saying, but they are not the same.