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Sure. But this isn’t a case where one person is just and another one is wicked. It’s two different mindsets trying to tackle the same problem. Sam isn’t evil for advocating for immigrants. You’re also not evil for wanting them to apply for immigration status in their own country and waiting for the process.
You don't know Sam well enough. Trust me on this. He is evil.
 
What a foolish question.

“Pointing out the wrongdoing of others is mean! and being mean is a sin, right?”
The name calling certainly isn’t Jesus approved. We all sin, we just sin differently.
You don't know Sam well enough. Trust me on this. He is evil.
It’s unfortunate that he’s agnostic, I believe. But calling him a myriad of names anytime he post probably won’t make him reconsider his stance.
 
You don't know Sam well enough. Trust me on this. He is evil.

And he's just being dishonest/ disingenuous again and again. He keeps leaving "illegal" out of his comments every time. Just another lying dirt bag hell bent on twisting words and wasting everyone's time.

He won't spend a minute considering giving illegal immigrants access to his home, cars, or bank accounts, retirement, etc. He's a virtue signaling liberal, fcol. That's not what they DO to "help." They'll sell their relatives for money in the right situation

In the meantime, it's you that should be paying more for their faux causes
 
Well no, I am arguing philosophy. There’s a reason why people say communism looks the best on paper.

When Stalin collected all the grain under the guise of sharing it with the masses was communism. Intentionally starving the Ukrainians happened under a communist regime, but itself is not communism.

Same with the Muslims in china now. The reeducation and imprisonment is not a philosophy of communism itself, but done by a dictator bent on controlling all aspects of life.

Same with the Tartars and Crimeans.

So if you want to continue this talk, just know I’m talking philosophies. Best socialist examples would be the Nordic hybrid system we see today.
How racially diverse are those, that you call Socialist hybrid systems? I believe some of those are constitutionally Christian BTW.

On paper? Like a Unicorn?
 
How racially diverse are those, that you call Socialist hybrid systems? I believe some of those are constitutionally Christian BTW.

On paper? Like a Unicorn?
It wouldn’t work here. You’re talking about populations of 4 million to our 335 million behemoth. But the universal healthcare would certainly work here and actually save families about 2k a year. Universal income will also need to be considered as AI encompasses more of our lives.
 
Sure. But this isn’t a case where one person is just and another one is wicked. It’s two different mindsets trying to tackle the same problem. Sam isn’t evil for advocating for immigrants. You’re also not evil for wanting them to apply for immigration status in their own country and waiting for the process.
Sambo is "anti American" for advocating illegal immigration. Then fighting to try to get them counted in the census and allowing them to vote without ID in our elections. Calling Patriots Nazis and racists. That all verges on being a traitor.
 
I see you want to jump aboard. So what far left policies did Hitler hold. This is all trivial, but Ash seems hellbent to frame Hitler as a leftist and now you want in on the fun.

Regardless, he was a populist like the others and like 45 and 47. I’m not immediately saying that is a bad thing. Sometimes doing the right and popular thing and not being bound to party norms is a good thing. It could also be a slippery slope.

It is indeed trivial; one just must be well read. Your TLDR videos won't suffice. Actually read books written by competent authors, not your agenda driven marxist pseudo intellectuals.

The National Socialists shared everything in common with other socialists except the National part, hence the name, National. Of course there were other marked differences, like who ultimately controlled what, but they bear stark similarity to the modern Left, not the Right. The American Right are classical liberals, laissez-faire capitalists, wholly opposed to your socialist authoritarianism, national or otherwise. Authoritarianism is not "right-leaning;" it's collectivist, which is what you are. The American right is individualist, "don't tread on me!" You're just like Marxist brethren dionl oser we had before you surely, whose chosen namesake god is a pederast and chosen avatar was "we will tread on you!" You're authoritarian, not them. It's not "authoritarian" when they demand you stop sexualizing your students.
 
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It is indeed trivial; one just must be well read. Your TLDR videos won't suffice. Actually read books written by competent authors, not your agenda driven marxist pseudo intellectuals.

The National Socialists shared everything in common with other socialists except the National part, hence the name, National. Of course there were other marked differences, like who ultimatley controlled what, but they bear stark similarity to the modern Left, not the Right. The American Right are classical liberals, laissez-faire capitalists, wholly opposed to your socialist authoritarianism, national or otherwise. Authoritarianism is not "right-leaning;" it's collectivist, which is what you are. The American right is individualist, "don't tread on me!" You're just like Marxist brewthren dionloser we had before you surely, whose chosen namesake god is a pederast and chosen avatar was "we will tread on you!" You're authoritarian, not them. It's not "authoritarian" when they demand you stop sexualizing your students.
Bravo.
 
At this point anything I say will just be repeating myself, I think you and I are probably over 95% in agreement on all of this. I don't think anyone is immune from criticism. I think they had a bad couple days and they needlessly gave the other side a gift.

In just over 3 weeks Trump takes office and all the talk will be about the decisions he is making, about what he deems so urgent he has to do it in his first week, first month, etc. And sooner than that, all the talk will sadly I'm assuming be about blanket pardons and whatever else the Dems have cooked up for the last minute. The visa issue will come up again in due time, I hope both factions drop it for just a little while though.

Probably over 99%... some excellent posts you made there, kudos.
 
Well no, I am arguing philosophy. There’s a reason why people say communism looks the best on paper.

When Stalin collected all the grain under the guise of sharing it with the masses was communism. Intentionally starving the Ukrainians happened under a communist regime, but itself is not communism.

Same with the Muslims in china now. The reeducation and imprisonment is not a philosophy of communism itself, but done by a dictator bent on controlling all aspects of life.

Same with the Tartars and Crimeans.

So if you want to continue this talk, just know I’m talking philosophies. Best socialist examples would be the Nordic hybrid system we see today.
The by product of socialism is that it leads to communist dictatorships.

People talk about the disadvantages of capitalism but negate the disadvantages of socialism. There is no utopia it's not possible...every system will be flawed, and since perfect or "real", whether "real" socialism or "real" capitalism, don't exist (we don't live in a real capitalist society now) the one that is more beneficial is the one you go with and flawed capitalism is better than flawed socialism, and the down spiral of capitalism is way better than the down spiral of socialism.

Nordics aren't socialist. So you may say, okay fine, it's capitalist then let's do that. But the left and progressives don't want to do that. They are strict on immigration, are homogeneous ppl, some of the countries ate propped up by....natural gas. Commies like bernie tend to skip over the top 10% only pay around 25% of taxes in Scandinavia, that's almost half of what the top 10% pay here, they also have low corporate tax. Americans are more entrepreneurial, and tgus dont collectively accept the middle class giving up more of their income, as tgey do there. Bernie says billionaires shouldn't exist...there are a lot in Scandinavia especially after all countries combined being a much smaller country than the US. There's no commie inheritance tax either in most of their countries, socialists hate that. They also don't fund other countries wars other than the little nato asks. Etc etc

In other words, democratic socialists here claim they want things, but they've only nitpicking the things they want they actively advocate against the other things in our own country
 
My apologies.
It's all good.
It is indeed trivial; one just must be well read. Your TLDR videos won't suffice. Actually read books written by competent authors, not your agenda driven marxist pseudo intellectuals.

The National Socialists shared everything in common with other socialists except the National part, hence the name, National. Of course there were other marked differences, like who ultimately controlled what, but they bear stark similarity to the modern Left, not the Right. The American Right are classical liberals, laissez-faire capitalists, wholly opposed to your socialist authoritarianism, national or otherwise. Authoritarianism is not "right-leaning;" it's collectivist, which is what you are. The American right is individualist, "don't tread on me!" You're just like Marxist brethren dionl oser we had before you surely, whose chosen namesake god is a pederast and chosen avatar was "we will tread on you!" You're authoritarian, not them. It's not "authoritarian" when they demand you stop sexualizing your students.
My socialist philosophies are already popular with democrats and Republicans alike. The best thing about Trump is that the policies that I like that are popular, UHC and universal healthcare, have a much better chance at gaining momentum in his tenure than by any traditional republican or democrat.

I am actually excited about Trump's tenure. Best case scenario, his unique approach will take the best ideas the dems and pubs have and he will incorporate them regardless. He's not tethered to republican norms this go around.
 
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The children are not here legally, meaning they are here illegally. That's my point.

Not their fault, fair, but they are here illegally and need to be removed with their parents or sent back to their familia from wherever they came. But make no mistake, they are here illegally too.

Edit: the kids did break the law too. One can argue "not their fault", okay, but it is still illegal.

Kids dont make the conscious choice to invade. Their parents did. So they are not here legally, but did not themselves commit a crime because they lacked the intent. Its a small distinction but i agree with your overall premise.

Attempt at analogy fails. A home is private property where privacy is invaded & perhaps physical & property damage is caused. See VZ gangs. Entry into US isn't into private property & attacks nothing.

Once more, why punish grown adults who have done nothing wrong? Vindictive as hell. Much more productive to legalize them.

Its the exact same. Can say the same thing for any sporting venue, place of business, etc.

It isnt vindictive. Being here illegally or not is an unemotional analysis and its one of the few times the law is pretty binary. You are either here legally or you are not.

Removing all incentive to come here is by far the best way to combat this insane problem.
 
Sure. But this isn’t a case where one person is just and another one is wicked. It’s two different mindsets trying to tackle the same problem. Sam isn’t evil for advocating for immigrants. You’re also not evil for wanting them to apply for immigration status in their own country and waiting for the process.
No, it most definitely is not. This is precisely such a case.

Mass unfettered immigration as practiced by this joke of an outgoing administration is most certainly a great evil, for all concerned. The reasons for this are readily apparent to anyone who is fair minded, i.e. not corrupted by perverse incentives or ideology.

Sam's deceptive and disingenuous "argumentation" is also evil, never mind the fact that it is in support of a great evil. Engaging him on this topic is its own evil because he is magnifying his error. He's stirring the pot, the name-calling he gets in response is not what's precluding him. He's traded good for evil and called it good. They'll reap what they've sown.
 
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Here we go again. Yep. Of all the 500k + dreamers, not a one has done anything wrong. Legalize them ALL!

YOU GET A CITIZENSHIP, YOU GET A COTIZENSHIP!!

Christ, you're approaching Village Idiot levels of stupid here.
It's wild once the mention of Trump actually doing what he ran on that VH becomes an unhinged open boarder and big government advocate... LOL
 
The only ppl that say this are: immature philosophers or dishonest philosophers. The immature NEVER take into account the sinful nature of mankind. The dishonest type from a lap of luxury, never admitting they would backstab someone in a heartbeat if they were hungry enough.

Communism fails every time. Every time. The only exception would perhaps be a small community, that is protected by a larger, free society. The amish would not survive in china, saudi, etc.

To disagree is foolishness.
Communism fails because...Man (generalized term meaning humans). There will always be greed and corruption, and communism will not work because there will always be evil people who will want it all or as much as they can get. Not meaning billionaires or millionaires per say, but leaders who use communistic/socialistic/dictatorship or totalitarian rule over the people. These leaders want riches and power and will keep the people down to keep it. The best system in this world is the capitalistic system by far. Yes, there are corrupt and evil people in this system as well, but we have thus far been able to keep it going. Unfortunately, there are forces in this country (namely liberal democrats) who have increasingly damaged our country by trying to change us to one of the afore mentioned styles of governance.

Liberalism is a cancer, always has been and always will be. We dodged a bullet (literally) with this last election. We (patriotic Americans) must remain diligent (especially leaders like Trump) and keep the evil that is liberalism out of complete power. If they get it, we will fall.
 
Sure. But this isn’t a case where one person is just and another one is wicked. It’s two different mindsets trying to tackle the same problem. Sam isn’t evil for advocating for immigrants. You’re also not evil for wanting them to apply for immigration status in their own country and waiting for the process.
False. Democrats don't care about immigrants. They only care about POWER. They want to use immigrants so they can buy their votes so they can continue to vote themselves power and money. They realize that they aborted fifty million children and that they can't win elections without ignorant, slave voters, so they are trying to import as many as possible. This ISN'T my opinion; they've ADMITTED this.

If Democrats really cared about solving the world's problems, you'd see a very different response. I bet Laken Riley wouldn't think the Democrats are trying to solve the problem.

Judas Iscariot was the very first leftist. And he was evil to the core, so much so that he became demon possessed.

John 12:3-6

Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment.

Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him,

Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?

This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.

PERFECT description of Democrats.
 
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The name calling certainly isn’t Jesus approved. We all sin, we just sin differently.
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...you are STILL whinging about name calling, after all the name calling you did?

What an absolute girl you are.

First you call names, then you whinge about it, then you try to hide behind your pregnant wife's skirts, then you call someone a meanie-head.

Maybe you should take a break. You seem to be able to dish it out but not able to take it.

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It’s unfortunate that he’s agnostic, I believe. But calling him a myriad of names anytime he post probably won’t make him reconsider his stance.
LOL

Sam is beyond redemption. He has seared his conscience with a hot iron, and God has given him over to a reprobate mind. There is no reasoning with him. He also holds the title of DUMBEST poster on this thread, despite your best efforts to unseat him. You better hope he doesn't die, though.
 
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Why are you running away from Bernie Sanders? You like the guy, DEFEND him. Explain why he idolized the Soviet Union, responsible for murdering tens of millions.

I have a question. Can a cow survive by feeding from its udder?
Guys.

Notice that mikey didn't answer my question.

He's terrified of my question, because it proves his UBI/socialist crap doesn't work.
 
It's all good.

My socialist philosophies are already popular with democrats and Republicans alike. The best thing about Trump is that the policies that I like that are popular, UHC and universal healthcare, have a much better chance at gaining momentum in his tenure than by any traditional republican or democrat.

I am actually excited about Trump's tenure. Best case scenario, his unique approach will take the best ideas the dems and pubs have and he will incorporate them regardless. He's not tethered to republican norms this go around.
You literally DON'T believe ANY of what you just said.

You want Trump to fail and you want another Obama to usher in the end of personal liberty and prosperity.

No sane Republican would EVER advocate for a UBI.

Can a cow survive by feeding off its own udder?
 
I'm a bit torn on this issue. On one hand if they ban TikTok...they will eventually end up banning pretty much any app or website they don't like. We all know they will do that. However tho...TikTok is trash and has an obvious negative effect on people and probably hurts society as a whole. So which side do you take here?
 
Exactly.

"We can't drill our way to prosperity"

"We can't deport millions of illegals"

"Trump can't wave a magic wand and bring all those jobs back"

"Trump can't win"
We can't land on the moon. We can't build a space shuttle that can land back on Earth. We can't build the Hoover Dam.... We can't even build the Panama Canal.
 
At this point anything I say will just be repeating myself, I think you and I are probably over 95% in agreement on all of this. I don't think anyone is immune from criticism. I think they had a bad couple days and they needlessly gave the other side a gift.

In just over 3 weeks Trump takes office and all the talk will be about the decisions he is making, about what he deems so urgent he has to do it in his first week, first month, etc. And sooner than that, all the talk will sadly I'm assuming be about blanket pardons and whatever else the Dems have cooked up for the last minute. The visa issue will come up again in due time, I hope both factions drop it for just a little while though.
I don't think Trump and Vance are even pro H1B visas. Maybe Elon and Vivek are trying to change that. Vance even said in a speech not long ago that we will not be importing foreign workers (paraphrasing) anymore or some such like that.
 
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Kids dont make the conscious choice to invade. Their parents did. So they are not here legally, but did not themselves commit a crime because they lacked the intent. Its a small distinction but i agree with your overall premise.
We agree on premise. Here is where I'm struggling with this distinction: we have many crimes that needs NO INTENT.

So, while the children may/may not intended to break the law and get here illegally, they still broke the law. I don't know if the law requires "intent" regarding illegal immigration. Seems like they are either here illegally or not. IOW intent is not a requirement. JMO.
Its the exact same. Can say the same thing for any sporting venue, place of business, etc.

It isnt vindictive. Being here illegally or not is an unemotional analysis and its one of the few times the law is pretty binary. You are either here legally or you are not.

Removing all incentive to come here is by far the best way to combat this insane problem.
Agree 100
 
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