POLITICAL THREAD

[HymanKaplan]

Ha, what would I have to be afraid of? Are you threatening me with physical violence over a propaganda rally? Hahahahaha 'America, love it or have a clown on your ass!' hahahahaha

Well, at least I get out of my house and actively support SOMETHING. I don't just complain from my keyboard.

If you want to protest the Honor Flights, I already volunteered to provide transportation, and while I disagree with you, I'll gladly do my level best to defend your right to protest them, onsite. That's the absolute truth. Unless you're willing to do something, your rhetoric isn't worth a wad of used gum on the sidewalk.

You're a "watcher", not a doer. You should have gone into Sports Journalism.

 

[HymanKaplan]

Yeah, and (paid)politicians with both Ds and Rs by their name did all of the above. So attempting to turn it into a partisan attack like you are isn't just disingenuous, but flat out historically inaccurate.

No, it's only inaccurate in your uninformed mind. You have an unlimited capacity to rearrange "the blame" LOL.

 

[warrior-cat]

From the article:

"Trump himself was not charged but was referred to as an unindicted co-conspirator."*

*(that means they had no evidence on him, but they had to squeeze him in there SOMEHOW.) LOL

As I said in an earlier post, he chases headlines not truth.

 

[Dionysus444]

Do I trust our government is always out for us and providing honest answers about everything? Hell no.
Look no further than the many stories of experiments like the non treatment of syphilis on blacks at Tuskegee.
Our government has a history of lying to the American people.
But here is where I differ with you. Why the hell would the FBI take the time and effort to plant people in a pro Trump crowd to try and create a violent riot that stopped the official certification of Joe Biden as President???
He'd already officially been declared the winner.
So were the FBI agents Anti Biden? Were they working for Trump to try and overturn the electoral college vote in order to make Trump President? If so, then it absolutely was an insurrection attempt.
If they weren't pro Trump and were working on Joe Biden's behalf....wtf would they want to stop or slow down the electoral college certification that made Joe Biden officially President?
So if your theory is correct....either it WAS an insurrection attempt by Trump friendly FBI agents or it was an attempt to stop Biden from being declared President by Biden friendly FBI agents...That.Makes.Zero. Sense. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Either way, your rationale and logic for this tin foil hat theory MAKES ZERO LOGICAL SENSE unless you can prove it was an insurrection attempt by the FBI on Trump's behalf.

Thank you for outlining the obvious absurdity. What they're alleging is that agent provocateurs were in the crowd riling them up. And even if they were(all the rightwing militias are a quarter feds anyway), so what? THE TRUMPERS STILL DID IT. By their argument every single person in any riot ever shouldn't be prosecuted because there are agent provocateurs in the crowd. Every Portland molotov, every BLM riot arson, every single thing that these same people sit here and complain about day-in day-out. Every one had agents in the mob and tear gas being shot into them. Like somehow QAnon Shaman shouldn't be prosecuted for sitting in the Speaker's chair because there was a fed whispering naughty things to him lol.

 

[Dionysus444]

No, it's only inaccurate in your uninformed mind. You have an unlimited capacity to rearrange "the blame" LOL.

Alright then, just the facts. Under whose administration, R or D, did we begin our involvement in Vietnam?

 

[HymanKaplan]

Alright then, just the facts. Under whose administration, R or D, did we begin our involvement in Vietnam?

JFK - Democrat

 

[Catfan in Tn.]

Rubio backs Trump deportation plan, reversing previous statements: 'Invasion of the country'

Sen. Marco Rubio seemingly changed his stance on former President Trump's plan to use the military to deport millions of illegal immigrants from the country.

www.foxnews.com

 

[HymanKaplan]

Under which administration did the Vietnam war end? R or D

Under which administration was the draft abolished? R or D

 

[HymanKaplan]

Nixon - R

Nixon - R

 

[HymanKaplan]

LBJ (D) was the first to put boots on the ground (IIRC), but JFK started the counter-insurgency efforts that ultimately led to that.

 

[HymanKaplan]

Korean War - Truman (D)

WWI - Wilson (D)

WWII - FDR (D)

 

[screwduke1]

POS

 

[HymanKaplan]

Who ended the Korean "War/Conflict"?

IKE - R

 

[HymanKaplan]

Russia/Ukraine - Biden (D)

 

[HymanKaplan]

Guess my work for the night here is done. LOL

 

[hmt5000]

Once more, I don't any reason to defend myself from non-supported nonsensical claims. Spouting off with nothing to back yourself up is fine by MAGA though.

I'm a conservative. MAGA isn't such. Supporting Trump may or may not be.

So you got nothing.

 

[hmt5000]

I have mixed emotions on all of that. I don't share SOME younger folks' sentiment about this country, but, sort of what you said; I think they have no perspective of just how good we have it here, and that isn't entirely their fault. It's the fault of society, that hasn't PROVIDED that persepective.

I'd be much more amenable to student loan forgiveness if a period of civil service was attached to it. Not necessarily the military (but that would count), but some manner of humanitarian service etc.

It's like a smart guy once said... "the worst thing that ever happened to you is still the worst thing you've had happen to you".... Lots of these young kids can look at death and rape in other countries and without a hint of irony.... complain about their cell service going out while stuck on the side of the road".... Lots of people in our country have had it so good that they don't even understand what "bad" is.

 

[Dionysus444]

JFK - Democrat

LOL wrong. Eisenhower, Republican. A stumble off the blocks.

 

[sambowieshin]

Thank you for outlining the obvious absurdity. What they're alleging is that agent provocateurs were in the crowd riling them up. And even if they were(all the rightwing militias are a quarter feds anyway), so what? THE TRUMPERS STILL DID IT. By their argument every single person in any riot ever shouldn't be prosecuted because there are agent provocateurs in the crowd. Every Portland molotov, every BLM riot arson, every single thing that these same people sit here and complain about day-in day-out. Every one had agents in the mob and tear gas being shot into them. Like somehow QAnon Shaman shouldn't be prosecuted for sitting in the Speaker's chair because there was a fed whispering naughty things to him lol.

It's the oldest and lamest excuse in the world.....The devil made me do it.

 

[hmt5000]

America could not be more divided. Just check out this thread.

Agreed. But one side waves the American flag and loves the constitution. The other side waves Palestinian flags, Lgbtiqa+ flags, Communist flags, Anarchist flags, and hate the constitution and want to subvert it every day.

 

[HymanKaplan]

LOL wrong. Eisenhower, Republican. A stumble off the blocks.

Ummm, wrong.

You're talking semantics, I'm talking WAR. Such a typical "argument" from you. LOL Military "advisors" are the flimsiest of arguments.

What a reach. Hahaha. See? This is why you're terrible at this.

Move along, "gum"

 

[sambowieshin]

Where was this energy during Covid and the experimental mandated injections that people got a free hamburger and fries to take or lose their jobs?



So they could pin it all on Trump and have people like you fall for it not to mention put the fear of God in anyone daring to ever question an election again.

Its basically exactly what you do when you steal an election and plan to do it again.

Why go to all that trouble to pin it on the guy that lost the election? 🤣🤣🤣
Then stopping the process of certifying the election of the guy that did win it in the process in order to make the loser look bad??? 🤣🤣🤣
Do you have any idea how flipping STUPID that sounds????

 

[JumperJack]

 

[hmt5000]

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It's wild that an old school working class racist is now pretending to be super woke. It's like we don't have 40 years of statements and votes to go off of. LOL.

 

[Dionysus444]

It's the oldest and lamest excuse in the world.....The devil made me do it.

Yeah. There's a big difference between 'circumstances led me to think this way and so I acted on those thoughts in a maybe not rational manner' and 'a guy in the crowd I was in yelled to storm the building, so I totally did! I wasn't going to before that and never would have at any other time, but that random dude yelling it in the crowd meant I just had to, ya know?'

 

[UK82]

It's the oldest and lamest excuse in the world.....The devil made me do it.

Quoting Flip Wilson? Actually not that old.

 

[HymanKaplan]

Like Trump telling people to hold a peaceful demonstration?

God, you two are something. LOL

 

[Dionysus444]

You're talking semantics, I'm talking WAR. Such a typical "argument" from you. LOL Military "advisors" are the flimsiest of arguments.

LBJ (D) was the first to put boots on the ground (IIRC), but JFK started the counter-insurgency efforts that ultimately led to that.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA how can you lack the self-awareness to post these two things on the same page? You contradicted your own argument before you even made it!

 

[HymanKaplan]

Because they're two different things. And, even if you're too dim to understand that. LBJ (Democrat) went from covert to overt by sending American troops over there. (Which, if you might or might not recall, was what precipitated this.)

I really hope you're just being obstinate, and that you're honestly not this stupid.


But if you really want to play the semantics game, the US first became involved in the Indo-China war under Truman, NOT IKE. LOL

Truman was a Democrat, BTW.

Let me dumb it down for you a little more: Democrats have displayed a carniverous taste for sending American kids/soldiers overseas that DWARFS the Republicans' propensity to do so. And THAT, is what Al Gore likes to call an "Inconvenient Truth" LOL

You're NEVER going to win dude.

 

[HymanKaplan]

You should probably get some rest and try again tomorrow. (It won't make difference, but at least you'll be well-rested)

later "gum"

 

[Bill Cosby]

Honor flight is is just a bunch of fascists jerking each other off. I chose to honor the real anti fascists by picking them up from their moms houses and sending them to the CHAZ district where they once fought tyranny.

 

[Dionysus444]

Because they're two different things. And, even if you're too dim to understand that. LBJ (Democrat) went from covert to overt by sending American troops over there. (Which, if you might or might not recall, was what precipitated this.)

I really hope you're just being obstinate, and that you're honestly not this stupid.

If you really were trying to play that semantic game you would've said LBJ from the jump then. But you didn't, you said JFK immediately, then covered your bases with LBJ. Neither of which was correct, by the way, as Eisenhower started our military propping up of the violent, corrupt Diem regime.

And a post from several years ago on what I think about JFK:

Warmonger JFK sucked. Beholden to the moneyed interests. Just like most other mainstream Democrat (and Republican) presidents. Wouldn't have supported him had I been alive at the time. Don't think you understand who you're dealing with here if this is your line of attack.

Which is what started this debate. Dems and Reps are both uniparty shills for the state's warmongering. Only the left and ring wings are actually antiwar. The whole establishment center is where all the war support comes from.

 

[HymanKaplan]

LOL - Mix the 'vegetables/hard facts' around the plate all night long. It won't make them go away. LOL

You're awash...

Listing...

Taking on water...

 

[Dionysus444]

Agreed. But one side waves the American flag and loves the constitution. The other side waves Palestinian flags, Lgbtiqa+ flags, Communist flags, Anarchist flags, and hate the constitution and want to subvert it every day.

One side waves the Confederate, Russian, and Gadsden flags and removes constitutional rights from the people for the first time in American history. The other side fights the institutions of power for those very human rights every day and tries to enshrine them in our beloved Constitution. See how easy it is?

 

[JumperJack]

Chances that we see some teary-eyed mourners at the pro-Hamas camps? I’d say 20-30%.

 

[HymanKaplan]

It's a shame that Ayatollah Ali Khamenei decided to give up his seat and take the bus.

I'm sure the fog was Israel's fault.

 

[Dionysus444]

Honor flight is just a bunch of fascists jerking each other off.

You said it more eloquently in satire than I did in sincerity lol. Kudos.

 

[HymanKaplan]

You said it more eloquently in satire than I did in sincerity lol. Kudos.

That is a pretty low bar.

 

[Dionysus444]

Chances that we see some teary-eyed mourners at the pro-Hamas camps? I’d say 20-30%.

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Good riddance. Hope it was Iranian incompetency and not another regional escalation, but either way the world is better without him.

 

[ukalum1988]

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