POLITICAL THREAD

[BlueRunner11]

Why go to all that trouble to pin it on the guy that lost the election? 🤣🤣🤣
Then stopping the process of certifying the election of the guy that did win it in the process in order to make the loser look bad??? 🤣🤣🤣
Do you have any idea how flipping STUPID that sounds????

It only makes sense if you stole an election.

Half the country thinks it was including the guy who will be trying to run again next chance he gets and likely be looking for justice. Do you honestly think all the reasons behind trying to lock him up now is because (out of all the politicians), he’s the only “bad” guy?

I refuse to believe even liberals can’t see it for what it is.

 

[Dionysus444]

That is a pretty low bar.

See just the other day we were jovially swapping stories about drug misadventures and now you hate me passionately. All because you're awash in silly nationalistic fervor and I'm not. All these imaginary lines on the map do is divide people, just like they're doing now between you and me. If you want to love and believe in something it should be the lofty ideals we were founded on, not just #America®.

 

[UK82]

Over 16,000 pages and not one change of opinions by either side. Lesson in futility.

 

[Mash 2.4]

Good riddance. Hope it was Iranian incompetency and not another regional escalation, but either way the world is better without him.

I’d say it’s eff around with Mossad and find out.

 

[sambowieshin]

Agreed. But one side waves the American flag and loves the constitution. The other side waves Palestinian flags, Lgbtiqa+ flags, Communist flags, Anarchist flags, and hate the constitution and want to subvert it every day.

Yeah....Trumplicans ONLY wave Old Glory and love the Constitution....... until they lose an election.
No other flags for them. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Trump claims grounds for "termination" of U.S. Constitution

The former president's latest unfounded claim of "massive fraud" has left fellow Republicans grappling once again with how to respond.

www.cbsnews.com

Photo of upside-down flag at Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito's house raises concerns: Report

"I had no involvement whatsoever in the flying of the flag," Justice Alito said.

abcnews.go.com

 

[sambowieshin]

It only makes sense if you stole an election.

Half the country thinks it was including the guy who will be trying to run again next chance he gets and likely be looking for justice. Do you honestly think all the reasons behind trying to lock him up now is because (out of all the politicians), he’s the only “bad” guy?

I refuse to believe even liberals can’t see it for what it is.

Sure some of the judicial charges against him right now are to make his life miserable. But Jan 6th was ALL on Trump.
He initiated the rally. He spoke at the rally. He called all of his whackos there on the premise of a lie.
The Feds would have zero interest at that point of stopping or slowing down the certification of Joe Biden that day. He had already been declared President. No reason at all to do that. And at the end of the day.....If people are that damn stupid to follow someone off a cliff then they deserve whatever happens to them.
The devil made me do it defense is BS.

Your theory makes zero sense.

 

[sambowieshin]

Quoting Flip Wilson? Actually not that old.

That excuse started way before Flip Wilson buddy.

Genesis 3:1-24 The serpent was more clever than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. The serpent said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat fruit from any tree in the garden’?” The woman sai | New International Reader’s Versi

The serpent was more clever than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. The serpent said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat fruit from any tree in the garden’?” The woman sai

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[BlueRunner11]

Sure some of the judicial charges against him right now are to make his life miserable. But Jan 6th was ALL on Trump.

Glad you admitted as much.

So the same people weaponizing the judicial system against their political opponent wouldn’t orchestrate a psyop to damage the man as well?

If you believe your first statement, then logically you’d have to admit it’s not out of the realm of possibilities.

And yes, lots of idiots did some dumb stuff on that day as well.

 

[Marleydogg]

I thought you were anti-war?

One can be anti-war, and still support our service members who had to go, you complete racist commie boy.

 

[sambowieshin]

Glad you admitted as much.

So the same people weaponizing the judicial system against their political opponent wouldn’t orchestrate a psyop to damage the man as well?

If you believe your first statement, then logically you’d have to admit it’s not out of the realm of possibilities.

And yes, lots of idiots did some dumb stuff on that day as well.

Not saying that he is innocent of all the charges because he's not.
All I'm saying is that if he wasn't such a POS and a clear and present danger to our nation, the powers that be probably would have let a sleeping dog lie.
Some of the charges are a stretch (porn star hush money/Exaggerating his assets)
While others like the election interference and fake elector charges are spot on.

 

[Marleydogg]

Sad Cold War BS. Does cheering carpet bombing make you feel strong, clown?

Who knows. Your president authorized cluster bomb usage outside of norms. Explain that one. And why you'll vote for him again, Mr. IDEALIST

 

[Marleydogg]

Not saying that he is innocent of all the charges because he's not.
All I'm saying is that if he wasn't such a POS and a clear and present danger to our nation, the powers that be probably would have let a sleeping dog lie.

Jesus, you are a fascist sick person ate tf up with TDS. Maybe worse than NetCat.

 

[sambowieshin]

Jesus, you are a fascist sick person ate tf up with TDS. Maybe worse than NetCat.

Name one other President in the history of the United States besides Trump that held a rally resulting in his crowd attacking the US Capitol. And I'm the fascist??
If Trump is the only name you can come up with....you may need to rethink your allegiance to the Inciter in Chief.
That action disqualified him forever in the minds of many Americans.
On a purely logical basis, how is that not clear to all??

 

[Dionysus444]

Who knows. Your president authorized cluster bomb usage outside of norms. Explain that one. And why you'll vote for him again, Mr. IDEALIST

Because we don't use them anymore. We're dumping all our old surplus munitions on them. Ukraine and Russia had both been firing cluster munitions at each other the whole war before that, why do you care?

 

[sambowieshin]

Over 16,000 pages and not one change of opinions by either side. Lesson in futility.

If I say it one more time....you will finally comprehend.

 

[BlueRunner11]

Not saying that he is innocent of all the charges because he's not.
All I'm saying is that if he wasn't such a POS and a clear and present danger to our nation, the powers that be probably would have let a sleeping dog lie.
Some of the charges are a stretch (porn star hush money/Exaggerating his assets)
While others like the election interference and fake elector charges are spot on.

Or maybe, just maybe he’s a clear and present danger to those powers that be. Current events tend to make a lot more sense from this perspective.

I have a hard time believing the powers that be are out there doing the Lords work trying to end a man just because he’s a POS. DC is full of them.

 

[Marleydogg]

Do I trust our government is always out for us and providing honest answers about everything? Hell no.
Look no further than the many stories of experiments like the non treatment of syphilis on blacks at Tuskegee.
Our government has a history of lying to the American people.
But here is where I differ with you. Why the hell would the FBI take the time and effort to plant people in a pro Trump crowd to try and create a violent riot that stopped the official certification of Joe Biden as President???
He'd already officially been declared the winner.
So were the FBI agents Anti Biden? Were they working for Trump to try and overturn the electoral college vote in order to make Trump President? If so, then it absolutely was an insurrection attempt.
If they weren't pro Trump and were working on Joe Biden's behalf....wtf would they want to stop or slow down the electoral college certification that made Joe Biden officially President?
So if your theory is correct....either it WAS an insurrection attempt by Trump friendly FBI agents or it was an attempt to stop Biden from being declared President by Biden friendly FBI agents...That.Makes.Zero. Sense. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Either way, your rationale and logic for this tin foil hat theory MAKES ZERO LOGICAL SENSE unless you can prove it was an insurrection attempt by the FBI on Trump's behalf.

How in the world can you write this, after you were the BRANCH COVIDIAN of all the CORONABROS on here?

You disgust me.

 

[HymanKaplan]

See just the other day we were jovially swapping stories about drug misadventures and now you hate me passionately. All because you're awash in silly nationalistic fervor and I'm not. All these imaginary lines on the map do is divide people, just like they're doing now between you and me. If you want to love and believe in something it should be the lofty ideals we were founded on, not just #America®.

You turned thanking Vietnam war veterans, regardless of how you feel about the war into a political pissing match.

Those people we were honoring were just kids when they were sent over there. Most didn't have a choice, many didn't return, and a majority of combat vets had their lives damaged in ways that still haunt them today.

They didn't start that stupid war. And when they got home, their country threw them on the scrap heap. What possible problem could you have for acknowleding the sacrifices they had to make?

Most of those guys probably hadn't even had the chance to VOTE when they got drafted. This is NOT a political/jingoistic/MAGA pro war thing. It takes no money from the government, it's all privately funded. It's REALLY about trying to make up for how badly they were treated by not only their government, but by society in general. I cannot fathom anyone having a problem with, or criticizing it.

You haven't attended one, and yet you're perfectly fine with judging it from your high horse. I find your attitude towards it appalling and offensive. You have no idea what it means to the families or the men that were sent over to someplace they didn't want to go to, for reasons they didn't understand, and then be cast aside and derided when they got back.

I didn't see a single MAGA hat, political sign, protest, or politician there. It was just about saying thanks, and sorry for how you were treated/mistreated.

You're attitude is callous and ignorant IMO. And for what? Does it really bother you that their day was brightened, so much so that you have to deride it and mischaracterize it as political brainwashing? I'm sure, in person, we'd get along, and I don't mind the political sparring etc. but I think you were out of line on this one.

I've said my peace.

 

[sambowieshin]

Or maybe, just maybe he’s a clear and present danger to those powers that be. Current events tend to make a lot more sense from this perspective.

I have a hard time believing the powers that be are out there doing the Lords work trying to end a man just because he’s a POS. DC is full of them.

Look...if he had lost the last election, conceded like he should have and come back to run again....more power to him.
But that's not what he did. He claimed the election was rigged before the election.
He claimed the election was rigged after the election.
He pressured state workers to change results.
He created fake electors.
He incited a riot at our Capitol.
He asked Pence to break Constitutional law.
He lied about the voting machines.
He continues to lie about the election.
That is ALL unacceptable in our system of government.
It's not about policy. If it was he might get my vote.
For me it is about a man who thinks he is bigger than our Constitution and rule of law.

 

[sambowieshin]

How in the world can you write this, after you were the BRANCH COVIDIAN of all the CORONABROS on here?

You disgust me.

You obviously have a worm issue like Kennedy.

 

[Dionysus444]

Or maybe, just maybe he’s a clear and present danger to those powers that be.

How? Genuinely curious, not being a contrarian. What threat does Trump pose?

 

[HymanKaplan]

He appears to be a major threat to overly exuberant DA's LOL

They and their cases are dropping like flies in a bug light.

 

[BlueRunner11]

How? Genuinely curious, not being a contrarian. What threat does Trump pose?

Well since war has been topic of the day, we could start there. I’d think he’d get at least a few points from you for not feeding the US war machine and bombing every 3 world country into oblivion.

 

[HymanKaplan]

I know the response already. He would have if the HOR hadn't kept him so tied up that he couldn't get around to it.

 

[Marleydogg]

Name one other President in the history of the United States besides Trump that held a rally resulting in his crowd attacking the US Capitol. And I'm the fascist??
If Trump is the only name you can come up with....you may need to rethink your allegiance to the Inciter in Chief.
That action disqualified him forever in the minds of many Americans.
On a purely logical basis, how is that not clear to all??

Well, Village Idiot, one could point out many democrats whose rhetoric during Floyd riots led directly to an attack on the White House, and perpetuated nationwide riots for months. While Dem Governor's and Mayors refused to quell it.

Harris, Pelosi, Schumer, the squad, etc etc.

In fact, I seem to recall you gloating about 'bunker boy'.

I'm not a Trump fan, but I despise the likes of YOU.

 

[Marleydogg]

Because we don't use them anymore. We're dumping all our old surplus munitions on them. Ukraine and Russia had both been firing cluster munitions at each other the whole war before that, why do you care?

Because they are extremely lethal, you sick fvck.

 

[HymanKaplan]

Not to mention turning a blind eye (which is essentially de facto endorsement) to protests at Supreme Court Justices' homes, meant to intimidate them. (And, in fact, illegal. Or used to be. What is legal and illegal seems to be open to the arbitrary whims of the USAG and the DOJ now. )

 

[Marleydogg]

Because we don't use them anymore. We're dumping all our old surplus munitions on them. Ukraine and Russia had both been firing cluster munitions at each other the whole war before that, why do you care?

Also, going to guess are probably a bit more advanced that what was being used, despite you're extensive knowledge of USA, Russian, and Ukraine munitions, and John Kirby telling you so, affirming what salon and Vox said.

 

[Dionysus444]

You turned thanking Vietnam war veterans, regardless of how you feel about the war into a political pissing match.

Those people we were honoring were just kids when they were sent over there. Most didn't have a choice, many didn't return, and a majority of combat vets had their lives damaged in ways that still haunt them today.

They didn't start that stupid war. And when they got home, their country threw them on the scrap heap. What possible problem could you have for acknowleding the sacrifices they had to make?

Most of those guys probably hadn't even had the chance to VOTE when they got drafted. This is NOT a political/jingoistic/MAGA pro war thing. It takes no money from the government, it's all privately funded. It's REALLY about trying to make up for how badly they were treated by not only their government, but by society in general. I cannot fathom anyone having a problem with, or criticizing it.

You haven't attended one, and yet you're perfectly fine with judging it from your high horse. I find your attitude towards it appalling and offensive. You have no idea what it means to the families or the men that were sent over to someplace they didn't want to go to, for reasons they didn't understand, and then be cast aside and derided when they got back.

I didn't see a single MAGA hat, political sign, protest, or politician there. It was just about saying thanks, and sorry for how you were treated/mistreated.

You're attitude is callous and ignorant IMO. And for what? Does it really bother you that their day was brightened, so much so that you have to deride it and mischaracterize it as political brainwashing? I'm sure, in person, we'd get along, and I don't mind the political sparring etc. but I think you were out of line on this one.

I've said my peace.

You posted about it in the political thread. I'm pretty sure that isn't me making it political. Like I already said, we had already started the back-and-forth when you edited your regret for that into another post. You should have left it there as the instigator, but you wanted the last word. So be it.

 

[Marleydogg]

You turned thanking Vietnam war veterans, regardless of how you feel about the war into a political pissing match.

Those people we were honoring were just kids when they were sent over there. Most didn't have a choice, many didn't return, and a majority of combat vets had their lives damaged in ways that still haunt them today.

They didn't start that stupid war. And when they got home, their country threw them on the scrap heap. What possible problem could you have for acknowleding the sacrifices they had to make?

Most of those guys probably hadn't even had the chance to VOTE when they got drafted. This is NOT a political/jingoistic/MAGA pro war thing. It takes no money from the government, it's all privately funded. It's REALLY about trying to make up for how badly they were treated by not only their government, but by society in general. I cannot fathom anyone having a problem with, or criticizing it.

You haven't attended one, and yet you're perfectly fine with judging it from your high horse. I find your attitude towards it appalling and offensive. You have no idea what it means to the families or the men that were sent over to someplace they didn't want to go to, for reasons they didn't understand, and then be cast aside and derided when they got back.

I didn't see a single MAGA hat, political sign, protest, or politician there. It was just about saying thanks, and sorry for how you were treated/mistreated.

You're attitude is callous and ignorant IMO. And for what? Does it really bother you that their day was brightened, so much so that you have to deride it and mischaracterize it as political brainwashing? I'm sure, in person, we'd get along, and I don't mind the political sparring etc. but I think you were out of line on this one.

I've said my peace.

He's a pompous Racist Commie Boy, can't help himself to not be a complete prlck.

Mentally ill, clearly.

 

[Marleydogg]

You obviously have a worm issue like Kennedy.

Sure thing, SCIENCE DUDE.

 

[Marleydogg]

How? Genuinely curious, not being a contrarian. What threat does Trump pose?

Pulls an Elon and fires 80% of useless government workers (twitter), and it runs just as, if not.more efficiently than before?

 

[BlueRunner11]

Look...if he had lost the last election, conceded like he should have and come back to run again....more power to him.
But that's not what he did. He claimed the election was rigged before the election.
He claimed the election was rigged after the election.
He pressured state workers to change results.
He created fake electors.
He incited a riot at our Capitol.
He asked Pence to break Constitutional law.
He lied about the voting machines.
He continues to lie about the election.
That is ALL unacceptable in our system of government.
It's not about policy. If it was he might get my vote.
For me it is about a man who thinks he is bigger than our Constitution and rule of law.

He didn’t believe he lost. Half the country didn’t either. That’s a major problem to have as a country when you claim a free and fair election.

If Dems hadn’t muddied the water with all the new rules, mail ins, covid, etc (which was by design) then maybe there wouldn’t be this problem in the first place if Biden had legitimately won.

But now, trying to arrest the man that claims it was stolen and anyone else of influence that speaks out about just reinforces all those beliefs among those that feel something shady went on.

 

[Dionysus444]

Well since war has been topic of the day, we could start there. I’d think he’d get at least a few points from you for not feeding the US war machine and bombing every 3 world country into oblivion.

? What did he do, or not do, that the uniparty MIC establishment would've/wouldn't've? Other than inflaming tensions in the ME by moving the capital of Israel to Jerusalem.

 

[Dionysus444]

Pulls an Elon and fires 80% of useless government workers (twitter), and it runs just as, if not.more efficiently than before?

Did he do that?

 

[Dionysus444]

Because they are extremely lethal, you sick fvck.

I mean yeah, they're bombs. That's the point. You're saying we should have destroyed them instead of giving them to Ukraine? Why did we just keep them in storage then and not destroy them?

 

[HymanKaplan]

You posted about it in the political thread. I'm pretty sure that isn't me making it political. Like I already said, we had already started the back-and-forth when you edited your regret for that into another post. You should have left it there as the instigator, but you wanted the last word. So be it.

And I acknowledged/owned that.

Be that as it may, it doesn't justify, IMO, your generalized and crass opinions on something that you have grossly mischaracterized. You made the leap to it being a political rally, with a bunch of right wing fascists, and glorifying war. You made incorrect assumptions about it. And I honestly have no idea why you would do that. Politics had no presence or place there. I assure you.

Is that all you have to say? You don't want to address my post? You still just want to pick at loose threads?

I didn't bring politics into my original post. I was just sharing a story. Just like we shared drug stories the other night.


This was my original post:


I started a thread about it already, but I was at the Lexington airport last night, to greet the Honor Flight Veterans (mostly Vietnam but quite a few Korean vets as well), and I can't encourage you all enough, to get on the Kentucky Honor Flight website, look at the schedule, and try to go and greet them when they return. It was an unbelievable experience. Put the politics aside, and honor these folks. They deserve it, and their appreciation was palpable.

People lined up on both sides, for the entire length of the airport, with signs, flags, cheering on the veterans (especially the Vietnam vets, who were severly mistreated, in some cases, the FIRST time they came home) It's an extremely worthy cause to support; both financially and in person.


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I can only assume that the presence of American flags is what triggered you. Because I didn't express a single political opinion in the post. Quite the opposite in fact.

If you just HAVE to work politics into it, think of it as showing support for young men, many of whom had their lives ransacked, by an evil government that then went on to cast them aside like so much firewood. I mean, if you just HAVE to have a political pacifier to suck on.

I have a sincere question for you. Are you generally happy as a person? You don't come across that way. (and this is coming from a person that most would describe as a misanthrope)

 

[Dionysus444]

And I acknowledged/owned that.

Be that as it may, it doesn't justify, IMO, your generalized and crass opinions on something that you have grossly mischaracterized. You made the leap to it being a political rally, with a bunch of right wing fascists, and glorifying war. You made incorrect assumptions about it. And I honestly have no idea why you would do that. Politics had no presence or place there. I assure you.

Is that all you have to say? You don't want to address my post? You still just want to pick at loose threads?

I didn't bring politics into my original post. I was just sharing a story. Just like we shared drug stories the other night.


This was my original post:


I started a thread about it already, but I was at the Lexington airport last night, to greet the Honor Flight Veterans (mostly Vietnam but quite a few Korean vets as well), and I can't encourage you all enough, to get on the Kentucky Honor Flight website, look at the schedule, and try to go and greet them when they return. It was an unbelievable experience. Put the politics aside, and honor these folks. They deserve it, and their appreciation was palpable.

People lined up on both sides, for the entire length of the airport, with signs, flags, cheering on the veterans (especially the Vietnam vets, who were severly mistreated, in some cases, the FIRST time they came home) It's an extremely worthy cause to support; both financially and in person.


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I can only assume that the presence of American flags is what triggered you. Because I didn't express a single political opinion in the post. Quite the opposite in fact.

It's laden with political landmines: "especially the Vietnam vets, who were severely mistreated, in some cases, the FIRST time they came home" "They deserve it" "It's an extremely worthy cause to support; both financially and in person."

Look you do you, but you don't see the kind of culture that stuff reinforces? I had the same reaction to the bayou trash talking about his Daughters of the Confederacy rally the other day.

 

[HymanKaplan]

Honestly? No. I don't see how friends and family, expressing support for their loved ones that served in the military, fosters dangerous cultural undertones. As I said, there was absolutely NOTHING political about what I attended. I think the folks there would have been offended by it. I know that "I" would have been.


I'll have to plead ignorance on the bayou trash/DOC. (although, Daughters of the Confederacy, at first blush, doesn't sound very good LOL) I can only speak to what I saw first hand.

 

[Dionysus444]

I have a sincere question for you. Are you generally happy as a person? You don't come across that way. (and this is coming from a person that most would describe as a misanthrope)

I'm a skeptic. A cynic. I attack all sacred cows with the same vehemence. Society, religion, politics, morals, philosophy, physics. People think that's great and join in if it's one they're personally skeptical of. But turn that lens on one of their pets, most often the flag or the cross, and they get all indignant.