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How will they rule ??!

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    Votes: 41 82.0%
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    Votes: 9 18.0%

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They drill Antarctic ice cores in densely populated cities??? Amazing!
Move the goalposts...move, move the goalposts! One more time!

Were we talking about drilling ice cores in the tundra? No, we were talking about taking temperatures. And you didn't answer the question (call me SURPRISED! Not.) and you clearly do not know what I'm talking about. Again ... disappointed, but NOT surprised.
 
Move the goalposts...move, move the goalposts! One more time!

Were we talking about drilling ice cores in the tundra? No, we were talking about taking temperatures. And you didn't answer the question (call me SURPRISED! Not.) and you clearly do not know what I'm talking about. Again ... disappointed, but NOT surprised.
Ice cores are how we compare temperatures, nimrod. How else would we have temperature records from thousands of years ago? Were there cavemen out there with thermometers? You demonstrate your ignorance in every post.

And ice cores come from the Antarctic, not the tundra...
 
IOW, you were wrong & can't face it. And you do care since you responded. Make up your mind, Goofy.

We were talking about the Bill of Right the entire time.

I said Constitution, which obviously includes the Bill of Right.

Dion then deflected to war powers.

I admitted I should have not gotten lazy, and continued to explicitly say Bill of Rights, and not assume that was implied in context.

In my post you quoted, I literally said I slipped up.

You are a clown.
 
It isn't a deflection, it's the heart of the point. You've been arguing this whole time that "natural rights" exist as a function of just being human. That those rights are then suppressed by unjust governments. So why do you support our government suppressing them? You say it's great those rights are protected for citizens, but then want them taken away from noncitizens.

And of course I don't want "an all powerful State". I'm simply trying to analyze the world pratically and materially, not emotionally. So I point out the obvious shortcomings with the theory of "natural rights" existing in a vacuum separate from the civic entities that define them. Recognizing how glorious and fragile our created concept of rights is should inspire one to want to defend them even more, not buttress an "all powerful State".
Your strawman arguments are not very effective. Your first paragraph is all BS because I never said I support government suppressing rights. I guess you feel it's easy to support an argument when you get to invent the other person's point of view.

If you think the State should have the ability to decide what is a right and who gets them, you do support an all powerful State. If rights have no logical basis, and you are saying they don't, then whatever Government decides is correct. That's an all powerful State.
 
We were talking about the Bill of Right the entire time.

I said Constitution, which obviously includes the Bill of Right.

Dion then deflected to war powers.

I admitted I should have not gotten lazy, and continued to explicitly say Bill of Rights, and not assume that was implied in context.

In my post you quoted, I literally said I slipped up.

You are a clown.
Whether or not the Bill of Rights applies to noncitizens is immaterial to the point. As is the focus on the God part of 'natural rights'. And your attempted semantics between the Constitution and its Bill of Rights.

Simply: If one believes in the concept of 'natural rights' that are inherent to humans(whether God-given or naturally discovered or whatever) then they should be against suppressing those rights. Regardless of the legal complexities.

No one has as of yet explained why they do. Other than obviously the entire point of contention, their undocumented status, which even if taken to the worst extreme and there's no asylum legal complexities is a misdemeanor. Rarely do misdemeanors cause you to lose your constitutional rights.
 
Your strawman arguments are not very effective. Your first paragraph is all BS because I never said I support government suppressing rights. I guess you feel it's easy to support an argument when you get to invent the other person's point of view.
You don't support the government suppressing the natural rights of Heriberto Carbajal-Flores by removing his 2nd Amendment right? Then what are we even talking about?
If you think the State should have the ability to decide what is a right and who gets them, you do support an all powerful State. If rights have no logical basis, and you are saying they don't, then whatever Government decides is correct. That's an all powerful State.
The Constitution determines what rights we have. We the People.
 
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I think many people of all political persuasions believe that the earth is warming (we did come out of a Little Ice Age in the mid-1800s after all). The argument is more about WHY is the earth warming and/or what is causing it? Many conservatives believe that the earth's climate changes are due almost exclusively to natural phenomena and cyclical changes in the sun's intensity, orbital changes, volcanic activity, etc. Many liberals believe that mankind has an immense effect on the earth's climate and by de-Industrializing the world's economy we can 'fix' and/or 'control' the earth's climate. The 'science' surrounding climate change is controversial and, contrary to popular belief by many, is NOT settled (settled science being an oxymoron) and, in many cases, appears to be politically driven. Many reviews of climate change research have revealed data that is inconsistent, selectively used and, in some cases, falsely created to show a desired result.

Not a single person on this planet should want dirty air, foul water, poisoned soil, etc. No one. But, that's not good enough for the climate crusaders. With an amazing amount of arrogance and hubris, we are supposed to believe that we have the means to CONTROL the climate and 'stop the oceans rising' and reverse the melting of the icecaps, etc. If one only looks at some of the policies this administration has adopted, it is very easy to come to the conclusion that the climate emergency is a political ploy more than an existential crisis. Looking only at the mandate for EVs, we see an administration that ignores recent research that concludes EVs produce MORE harmful emissions than do ICEs, the problems associated with disposing of old batteries and panels, the mining operations to obtain the materials for this technology led by China who hates us and whose environmental and humanitarian history is, quite frankly, appalling, the cost of EVs for the average person, the lack of infrastructure to support millions of EVs, the higher wear and tear on roads and bridges due to the much heavier EVs, etc.

To many skeptics, whether the earth's climate is truly changing/warming is not the issue. The issue is that the 'elites' want to have total control over the world (WEF) and climate change is the premise for doing so. To many, the response to climate change is just the premise for a One World Order and a worldwide totalitarian state - you will own nothing and be happy.
The people that said that going from 350ppm CO2 to 450ppm CO2 would cause runaway warming really should look at different ice ages in our history... We had an ice age with 1800ppm CO2... if CO2 was that big of driver for heat then we'd have burned up millennia ago.
 
I think man is a cause of warming. Didn't use to think so, but recently attended a talk where the presenter showed how the traditional, hundreds of year correlation between sun intensity/earth orbit & earth temperatures isn't follwoing the pattern this time. By the pattern, temps would be dropping now. And there's no denying CO2 is rising - now 425ppm. I recall it being 280ppm at some point in the past. 1970?

Coal is by far the biggest man caused CO2 source at ~40%. Cars & vans are 10%.

So, should we be trying to stop/lower CO2 emissions? Beats me. Should be be imposing auto power source changes that do nothing to 50% reduce their CO2 emissions from materials sourcing to end life? I say hell no till you fix the coal issue, then lets talk.
Look up what ppm plants start to die on Earth.... You might be shocked to learn that we saved the planet by putting CO2 back into the atmosphere. Why do we get 100% of the blame but none of the credit?
 
How is climate change a hoax if temps are rising?

Also, I ask again, do you think a) temps are rising, b) dropping, or c) staying the same? With MAY, I can't tell what the hell you think.
Heat island effect. Look where temps are being taken. We all know blacktop and concrete get hotter than a nice green forest. If you take temps at 2ft off the ground inside a city.... it's going to read hotter than 50ft off the ground in a city or out in wooded area.
 
I'm not going to join in on a climate change debate, BUT, fossil fuels DO need to be replaced where it's practical, and can make a difference. For one thing, they're going to run out, no matter what, so...

Until battery technology makes a quantum leap, the single biggest move, mankind can make, to reducing CO2 is to go exclusively to nuclear power plants. There is nothing else even close.
Hydrogen fuel cells make more sense than battery powered cars. Lithium is really bad for the environment to mine. Hydrogen is pretty easy to get with solar power.
 
Ice cores are how we compare temperatures, nimrod. How else would we have temperature records from thousands of years ago? Were there cavemen out there with thermometers? You demonstrate your ignorance in every post.

And ice cores come from the Antarctic, not the tundra...
How do they know with any degree of certainty that taking a random core of ice from a few hundred feet down and taking it to a lab to look at it under a microscope or whatever the hell they do with it, is an accurate gauge of what the temps were globally 30,000 years ago? Thats not settled science. There’s no such thing. It’s a hypothesis based on whatever they gather from that core.
 
The people that said that going from 350ppm CO2 to 450ppm CO2 would cause runaway warming really should look at different ice ages in our history... We had an ice age with 1800ppm CO2... if CO2 was that big of driver for heat then we'd have burned up millennia ago.
 
How do they know with any degree of certainty that taking a random core of ice from a few hundred feet down and taking it to a lab to look at it under a microscope or whatever the hell they do with it, is an accurate gauge of what the temps were globally 30,000 years ago? Thats not settled science. There’s no such thing. It’s a hypothesis based on whatever they gather from that core.
The ice cores tell us directly via the ratio of heavy to light oxygen in the water molecules. Just because you personally are ignorant and have no idea what scientists are doing when they're "taking it to a lab to look at it under a microscope or whatever the hell they do with it" doesn't mean it's invalid. Just that means you personally are a moron.
 
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So just so you all know. Dion is again making shit up. He does not know what he is talking about. Claiming to be an expert in everything but has no clue what he is talking about.

He sounds like a bag of dumb parroting some flaky armed wokie homoglobo crap. You all are wasting your time trying with this pea brain

There is no climate change happening man made. He is spouting lies and regurgitated DSA talking points.
 
Ice cores are how we compare temperatures, nimrod. How else would we have temperature records from thousands of years ago? Were there cavemen out there with thermometers? You demonstrate your ignorance in every post.

And ice cores come from the Antarctic, not the tundra...
And we took core temps a 1000 years ago "nimrod" (you probably see that as a compliment)? Is that what you just argued? FTR, the tundra reference was just a side easter egg to the "frozen tundra of lambeau field". Sorry grammer police!! That went over your head too.

Again you demo that my original comment went way over your smooth brain. you have no idea what you are talking about, fool.
 
Heat island effect. Look where temps are being taken. We all know blacktop and concrete get hotter than a nice green forest. If you take temps at 2ft off the ground inside a city.... it's going to read hotter than 50ft off the ground in a city or out in wooded area.
Please explain this to our resident "expert in everything".

bwahahaha

He probably thinks Cal is a defense guru...
 
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So dion is now arguing that climate change is not cyclical throughout history.

And he accidentally forgot to tell us how many ms-13 members he allows into his house. And gives them guns.
 
And we took core temps a 1000 years ago "nimrod" (you probably see that as a compliment)? Is that what you just argued? FTR, the tundra reference was just a side easter egg to the "frozen tundra of lambeau field". Sorry grammer police!! That went over your head too.

Again you demo that my original comment went way over your smooth brain. you have no idea what you are talking about, fool.
That's how ice works. It's frozen. They're made up of snow that fell those thousands of years ago yes.
 
So dion is now arguing that climate change is not cyclical throughout history.

And he accidentally forgot to tell us how many ms-13 members he allows into his house. And gives them guns.
Cyclical meaning what? Sometimes things happen that make the temperature go up. Other times other things happen that make it go down. Both have happened at various times in our planet's long multibillion year history. Currently humans are burning lots of fossil fuels, pumping tons of CO2 into the atmosphere, making it go up. What about that is confusing?
 
Whether or not the Bill of Rights applies to noncitizens is immaterial to the point. As is the focus on the God part of 'natural rights'. And your attempted semantics between the Constitution and its Bill of Rights.

Simply: If one believes in the concept of 'natural rights' that are inherent to humans(whether God-given or naturally discovered or whatever) then they should be against suppressing those rights. Regardless of the legal complexities.

No one has as of yet explained why they do. Other than obviously the entire point of contention, their undocumented status, which even if taken to the worst extreme and there's no asylum legal complexities is a misdemeanor. Rarely do misdemeanors cause you to lose your constitutional rights.
For a simple response on a chat board and not another book ... Because we are intelligent enough to understand in a perfect world, there would be one set of rules for all.

However we live in a fallen world and live w jerks like you. Because of that, we have to have a set of rules we can all live within to function as a society. The good ole US of A has done the best at allowing for freedom and liberty than any other man made set of rules anywhere and at any time on this planet. People from other countries are not bound by our rules (and they prove it.) So why would they be bound by our rules and why would we be bound by theirs? It is really not any more complicated than that.

Now ... do your dishonest, non-discussion, gotcha thing.

Do you have to turn a paper in on this? Are you going to appropriately cite all of us? Or is this an app for harvard?
 
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Cyclical meaning what? Sometimes things happen that make the temperature go up. Other times other things happen that make it go down. Both have happened at various times in our planet's long multibillion year history. Currently humans are burning lots of fossil fuels, pumping tons of CO2 into the atmosphere, making it go up. What about that is confusing?
Yes or no ...

Has the climate changed on THIS planet for thousands and thousands of years?
 
However we live in a fallen world and live w jerks like you. Because of that, we have to have a set of rules we can all live within to function as a society. The good ole US of A has done the best at allowing for freedom and liberty than any other man made set of rules anywhere and at any time on this planet. People from other countries are not bound by our rules (and they prove it.) So why would they be bound by our rules and why would we be bound by theirs? It is really not any more complicated than that.
The person in question is here and is bound by our rules. If they kill someone they get prosecuted under our laws. Because we have authority as the crime was committed in our jurisdiction. Do you think undocumented people should be immune from all prosecution?
 
Please explain this to our resident "expert in everything".

bwahahaha

He probably thinks Cal is a defense guru...
I think it was Spain got caught doing this to explain record heat. They were putting their temp gauges 2 ft off the ground in a parking lot. They were showing a 4 degree difference on temp gauges just 20km away from each other. they were wanting to show a huge temp increase to justify bad policy.

Large cities will often be 2 or more degrees hotter than rural areas outside the city. It's not that the temperature is hotter its just that cities tend to absorb more of the suns rays and return them throughout the day.
 
So dion is now arguing that climate change is not cyclical throughout history.

And he accidentally forgot to tell us how many ms-13 members he allows into his house. And gives them guns.
So does he think we only had 1 ice age? Does he think the Earth has never been a snowball? How does he think we stopped being a snowball if CO2 is the only way to heat up?
 
Yes or no ...

Has the climate changed on THIS planet for thousands and thousands of years?
Yes of course. Did you watch the video I posted? Now a simple yes or no for you: is human activity causing the majority of the currently observed extreme warming?
 
The people that said that going from 350ppm CO2 to 450ppm CO2 would cause runaway warming really should look at different ice ages in our history... We had an ice age with 1800ppm CO2... if CO2 was that big of driver for heat then we'd have burned up millennia ago.
I'd like to see the 1800ppm & Ice Age data source. Thanks.
 
Look up what ppm plants start to die on Earth.... You might be shocked to learn that we saved the planet by putting CO2 back into the atmosphere. Why do we get 100% of the blame but none of the credit?
Plants & animals were living at 200ppm. So why do you think there is a need for more?
 
Yes of course. Did you watch the video I posted? Now a simple yes or no for you: is human activity causing the majority of the currently observed extreme warming?
Nope and EDIT: yep. The world is heating purely because of human activity. Specifically, science says it is caused by the curious branch of humanity, called the blowhardius lefticus. Because there is no resolution for the blowhardius lefticus, I propose that we reduce their activity by 100% starting today. So anyone that finds a blowhardius lefticus, please eliminate them ASAP and stop the suffering the rest of us endure daily.

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Can you prove beyond a reasonable doubt that human activity is THE majority cause? Can you define "extreme warming" as opposed to regular, or non extreme warming? What dataset did you use to discern the difference between warming and "extreme warming"? Or ...are you just baking your bias into that proverbial cake?

And since you agree with us that the climate has changed over the life of this planet ... has it changed without mankind? Yes or no? Did it change on its own? Yes or no? Is "extreme warming"in the room with us now?

You cannot use your unconcious and confirmation biases to form a compelling argument.
 
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Heat island effect. Look where temps are being taken. We all know blacktop and concrete get hotter than a nice green forest. If you take temps at 2ft off the ground inside a city.... it's going to read hotter than 50ft off the ground in a city or out in wooded area.
The temps are based on standardized locations, not blacktop locations. And if only blacktop, why would the temps be higher today than 50 years ago on the same blacktop?
 
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They just showed a poll on Ingraham Angle that Trump was leading biDIM in all the swing states but…., all the down ballot dims were leading the republicans. People are STUPID!
They don't want abortion restrictions, like that or not.
 
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