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No. Last 6 years of election results and his handling of covid are though. He can't attack on covid and he/his candidates lost nearly every contested race of the last 6 years.

His main man oz lost to a brain dead invalid when most anyone else would've won easily.

If trump is the nom, he'll lose and take winnable down ballot races with him. Fair or not, voters will vote against him more than for him. There are 6 years of election results that are all the proof anyone needs.
He won in in 2020 and to pretend otherwise I would have to consider disingenuous on your part. Do you really believe Biden got more than 74 million votes? I get that you don't like Trump and I acknowledge you have some legit points but you guys get a little over the top imo.
 
They're all going to get participation trophies.

Going through MP training, I attended a Physical Armed Restraint School (basically judo type stuff). One day I was goofing off and not taking things serious. In a second or two, the instructor had me in a neck drag. We were back to back with my feet in the air. He could've easily broken my neck. I was glad when he released me and I started paying more attention. I guess he couldn't do that today.
 
Reparations are bullsh**.
I want reparations for my Irish ancestors during the potato famine.
Reparations for the Jewish slaves....
Reparations for the Egyptian slaves....
Reparations for the Greek slaves....
Reparations for the Roman slaves....
Reparations for the African slaves....
Reparations for the Native American slaves....
Reparations for the Chinese slaves....
Get in line for $$$ for all the f'ing slaves over the last 3000 years.
Good luck with that.
Loons can't afford such crap.

 
Interesting...where did Jesus come from? Who was He? Did He have divine character? Where was He before being born in Bethlehem?
You’re saying Jesus was God so He spoke the Old Testament too. If you’re going to seriously argue that every word of the Old Testament has to be followed to the letter you have many more problems than homosexuality. Wearing linen and wool together, eating fat(aren’t steaks quintessentially American?) or shellfish, farming different crops together, or what about not shaving?

Leviticus 19:27 “Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.”
 
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Loons can't afford such crap.

I always question as to how they are going to divide this money they do not have.

So if you are 100% black (you will have to go to the deepest part of Africa for this ) you get the full amount.

If you are 50% black do you get a 1/2 share.

What if you are 50% black with slave blood but your white half owned slaves. What now?

What if you are black and black slave owners owned your ancestors. Do you get double?

What if you are black and have Chinese ancestors mixed in. Will you hit the lottery and get 3x the amount.

I got real excited and sent off for an ancestry DNA kit. It came back 0% African blood. Crushed beyond belief. But I will survive.
 
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He isn’t questioning the validity of one law. He’s pointing out that strict, literal interpretations are always subservient to common sense context. In general God said to not work on the Sabbath. But if circumstances arise where other needs are more pressing, not only must you do so, but it would be wrong not to as the needs of the ox(sick man) outweigh the commandment about the Sabbath. And he uses literally one of the Ten given directly by God to illustrate that point. We are always balancing competing interests and interpreting anything, even the Ten Commandments, literally, universally, and unflinchingly is not what they’re there for.


He specifically referenced one of the Ten Commandments, not a law created by the Pharisees. And pointedly chose to break it to help a sick man. I think you should reexamine your interpretation of the passage with open eyes.

Yes and no. The Pharisees defined what “Keeping the Sabbath Holy” meant for everyone else. They were the religious leaders of the time but not any God would approve of.

They added so many things that you weren’t supposed to do that day and only certain ways you could do things that it actually became way more laborious for the individual trying to avoid breaking the Sabbath.

This was never Gods intention and did the opposite of what he commanded.

So Jesus did break the Pharisees interpretation of the law and rules they had set. But again, it was an incorrect interpretation meant to boost the Pharisaical standing by their “good works” merit system and crush any of those who couldn’t measure up or meet their standard.

The Pharisees and Scribes wanted Jesus dead because he was a threat to the religious system of works based salvation they had created, not Gods.
 
Smoething which is all in your deluded minds, distorted worldview.

No one is stopping people from being transgender or being drag queens. Hell, I doubt there is a single person here who believes an adult shouldn't be legally allowed to "transition," or that you shouldn't be allowed to enjoy your "acrobatic" shows. No one advocates for that (your strwaman).

You cross the line though when you start corrupting children, for whom you don't have any true empathy, let's be eral here. You have a problem far greater than you are capable of appreciating.
It's just not that simple. It's nice to live in a black and white world where everything fits neatly in each little compartment of your right wing ideology but that's not how everyone sees the world.
I get the reluctance to perform life altering sex change surgery on kids under 18. I actually agree with that stance. That is a permanent and irreversible decision.
Where I differ is on seeking puberty blockers under a doctor's care with the help of a psychologist and parents. Most of the effects of puberty blockers can be reversed later if necessary. But it gives a kid struggling with this issue some extended time to make this decision. It essentially places puberty on hold temporarily so that permanent changes like breast growth, enlarged shoulders/hands/feet/brow bone etc don't take full effect.... Which could require more surgery later if they do.
To me.... that is a compassionate comprise that makes sense.
If your primary focus is on kid's safety then the absolutist and draconian decision to stop all treatment is going to have the exact opposite effect. This population has one of the highest suicide rates of any group. These laws are going to make that worse...not better.
These laws are not about helping kids because these lawmakers are well aware of the suicide stats on untreated gender dysphoria. They just chose to ignore the stats for political gain.

 
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False. Always with a caveat or a but. Just wishy-washy response to cover the bases in case one of the other liberals here shames you for wanting to kill a robber.
Warrior.... I have two guns and won't hesitate to use them if necessary. Got no problem killing a thief in my house or one threatening my life.
I'm just not sure I'd be as quick to pull the trigger over someone else's 50 bucks in a liquor store taken by a thief trying to get away.
 
I always question as to how they are going to divide this money they do not have.

So if you are 100% black (you will have to go to the deepest part of Africa for this ) you get the full amount.

If you are 50% black do you get a 1/2 share.

What if you are 50% black with slave blood but your white half owned slaves. What now?

What if you are black and black slave owners owned your ancestors. Do you get double?

What if you are black and have Chinese ancestors mixed in. Will you hit the lottery and get 3x the amount.

I got real excited and sent off for an ancestry DNA kit. It came back 0% African blood. Crushed beyond belief. But I will survive.
Pure blooded no doubt in your mind.
 
Yes and no. The Pharisees defined what “Keeping the Sabbath Holy” meant for everyone else. They were the religious leaders of the time but not any God would approve of.

They added so many things that you weren’t supposed to do that day and only certain ways you could do things that it actually became way more laborious for the individual trying to avoid breaking the Sabbath.

This was never Gods intention and did the opposite of what he commanded.

So Jesus did break the Pharisees interpretation of the law and rules they had set. But again, it was an incorrect interpretation meant to boost the Pharisaical standing by their “good works” merit system and crush any of those who couldn’t measure up or meet their standard.

The Pharisees and Scribes wanted Jesus dead because he was a threat to the religious system of works based salvation they had created, not Gods.
Yes but that’s the same point. That overly literal interpretations are the problem.

The Fourth Commandment says, (Exodus 20:8-11) 8 “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.”

That clearly says to do no work. What is the definition of work though? The Pharisees were mad at him for healing people which, as you say, they defined as work. Jesus clearly points out that work, and the law that involves it, is subjective by using the example of the ox fallen in a hole rather than his own healing. Moving an ox is clearly work, more so than his ambiguous healing, yet still ‘breaking’ the commandment is the right thing to do because the ox is in need right then. Work is relative to the context involved. It’s a rebuke of how the Pharisees used the letter of the law to violate the spirit of the law via strict, literal interpretations(turning what was just supposed to be a day of rest into criminal penalties for doing anything). Which is exactly what many people who think of themselves as the most devout Christians today do.
 
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So let me get this straight..... Republicans are passing laws all across red state America in the name of "protecting the children".
Gotta protect the kids from drag queens. How many kids were killed or injured by drag queens in the last year??
Gotta protect the kids from themselves and turning trans. How many kids died from taking trans medications vs died from suicide because they weren't receiving trans medical/psychological care??
Gotta protect kids from those library books. How many kids were killed by library books?? How many kids even checked those books out when they can surf porn anytime on their phones??
Gotta protect kids from those evil teachers and public schools. How many kids were killed by teachers vs died from having their heads blown off by an AR15???

But when it comes to protecting kids from actual, verifiable dangers..... Republicans say there's nothing they can do about the leading cause of death of American children.
It's impossible to even try to do anything to help. It's pointless. Bad stuff is impossible to stop.
You can't make criminals follow the laws even if they are passed right? Unless it's trans, gay, teachers, and drag queen laws.

Those laws were NEVER about protecting kids. They are All about legalizing hatred toward anyone that is outside of the white, Christian mold.

If Republicans truly gave a sh** about "protecting kids" they would be passing any law possible to reduce gun violence asap. But it's not about protecting kids....it never was.
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You’re saying Jesus was God so He spoke the Old Testament too. If you’re going to seriously argue that every word of the Old Testament has to be followed to the letter you have many more problems than homosexuality. Wearing linen and wool together, eating fat(aren’t steaks quintessentially American?) or shellfish, farming different crops together, or what about not shaving?

Leviticus 19:27 “Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.”

Context is important. Leviticus means “matters of the Levites” and was a manual from God as how the Israelites should live Holy and separated from the world. This is the Old Covenant. Jesus later established a New Covenant which instead of the old rituals, ceremonies, and sacrifices were no longer needed…He was the ultimate and final sacrifice. Salvation was now possible for the Jews and the Gentiles.

The whole point of the Law was for people to realize it’s impossible to keep. Not to say Hey I can keep it better than this person or that person. Perfection is Gods standard. This puts everyone is the same boat…imperfect people who have broken Gods Law and in need of a Savior.

So no, haircuts don’t matter today. Red meat, clothing fabric, etc. But other things still do. There are things that were established in the OT, that are still confirmed as sin in the NT. Homosexuality as well all sexual sin (outside of man +woman in marriage) being one.
 
You’re saying Jesus was God so He spoke the Old Testament too. If you’re going to seriously argue that every word of the Old Testament has to be followed to the letter you have many more problems than homosexuality. Wearing linen and wool together, eating fat(aren’t steaks quintessentially American?) or shellfish, farming different crops together, or what about not shaving?

Leviticus 19:27 “Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.”

Lol. It helps to actually know the context and what things in a book mean. Cracks me up when the meme and sound bite queens quote books out of context and without a clue.
 
You’re saying Jesus was God so He spoke the Old Testament too. If you’re going to seriously argue that every word of the Old Testament has to be followed to the letter you have many more problems than homosexuality. Wearing linen and wool together, eating fat(aren’t steaks quintessentially American?) or shellfish, farming different crops together, or what about not shaving?

Leviticus 19:27 “Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.”
Nope, wouldn't argue that all. First, am glad that you understand that Jesus is God.

Second, Old Testament law, as I am sure you are aware, was given to the nation of Israel, not Christians today. Food and clothing laws (as you mentioned above) were given to Israel so they could be set apart/distinct from other nations. None of the Old Testament law is binding on Christians today. When Jesus died on the cross, He put an end to the Old Testament law.

Now, this doesn't mean Old Testament law is irrelevant. Many of the commandments surrounding loving God and your neighbor are even referenced by Jesus and apply to Christians today, just as they did to the nation of Israel when written.

As for homosexuality, God is very clear on his design for marriage. As for Jesus never mentioning homosexuality, he also doesn't mention pedophilia or bestiality. I think you would agree those two are wrong, so why omit homosexuality, which God clearly indicates is sinful, as does the Apostle Paul, who was handpicked by God to write majority of New Testament.
 
He isn’t questioning the validity of one law. He’s pointing out that strict, literal interpretations are always subservient to common sense context. In general God said to not work on the Sabbath. But if circumstances arise where other needs are more pressing, not only must you do so, but it would be wrong not to as the needs of the ox(sick man) outweigh the commandment about the Sabbath. And he uses literally one of the Ten given directly by God to illustrate that point. We are always balancing competing interests and interpreting anything, even the Ten Commandments, literally, universally, and unflinchingly is not what they’re there for.


He specifically referenced one of the Ten Commandments, not a law created by the Pharisees. And pointedly chose to break it to help a sick man. I think you should reexamine your interpretation of the passage with open eyes.

You started off just fine, then contradicted yourself and mischaracterized what Jesus said.

No.

You should listen to the person you're quoting. He isn't breaking his Father's sabbath. Keeping the sabbath holy is tending to the poor and sick in both spirit and body. The pharisees would use one commandment to excuse violating one they were less willing to keep. It is called legalism. Jesus said specifically that they " could and should keep ALL of his Father's commandments," but they simply chose not to do it in favor of their own traditions.

The rabbis had a completely different torah they followed that was "passed down" by their ancestors. It's even hinted at in the title given to one of their books- mishneh torah (which can be interpreted "second torah").

Not being able to understand that being a moral person isn't difficult but sometimes it's inconvenient, is why people can't "understand" when behavior is criminal and when it isn't. It's only criminal when it's hurting them. Not when it's hurting others that aren't like them.
 
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Yes but that’s the same point. That overly literal interpretations are the problem.

The Fourth Commandment says, (Exodus 20:8-11) 8 “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.”

That clearly says to do no work. What is the definition of work though? The Pharisees were mad at him for healing people which, as you say, they defined as work. Jesus clearly points out that work, and the law that involves it, is subjective by using the example of the ox fallen in a hole rather than his own healing. Moving an ox is clearly work, more so than his ambiguous healing, yet still ‘breaking’ the commandment is the right thing to do because the ox is in need right then. Work is relative to the context involved. It’s a rebuke of how the Pharisees used the letter of the law to violate the spirit of the law via strict, literal interpretations(turning what was just supposed to be a day of rest into criminal penalties for doing anything). Which is exactly what many people who think of themselves as the most devout Christians today do.

Ok I see where you’re going. Yes, agree.

Keeping the Sabbath is mostly a matter of the heart and between the person and God. It can’t be evaluated and judged by others per se. Some would consider spending all day at home with the family “work” haha.

Other parts of the law are pretty straight forward and can be seen externally but it doesn’t end there. Jesus on the Sermon on the Mount makes things like murder and adultery heart related issues well. Anger is murder and lust is adultery in Gods eyes. So everyone who thought they were something, got humbled real quick. Which is the point. It’s impossible for us meet Gods standard of righteousness.

Your last statement though…I assume you are alluding to Christians trying to criminalize what they see as sin in others even though the criminalized don’t see it that way? Is that what you mean? Or do you just mean judgmental Christians?
 
Other parts of the law are pretty straight forward and can be seen externally but it doesn’t end there. Jesus on the Sermon on the Mount makes things like murder and adultery heart related issues well. Anger is murder and lust is adultery in Gods eyes. So everyone who though they were something, got humbled real quick. Which is the point. It’s impossible for us meet Gods standard of righteousness.

Funny you typed this, as we just talked about John the Baptist's parents very recently. It clearly wasn't impossible for THEM to keep all of God's standards. A friend sent me this-

"What is important to understand about the entire Bible is that there is not ONE single sacrifice that removes the penalty of sin which is death. It's foreshadowed. It's hinted at, but there isn't one until Jesus removes the penalty for those who repent.

Zechariah and Elizabeth were righteous in God's sight.

Incidentally it's the same way for a sin committed willfully. Nothing in the old or new testament for that. It's not impossible to not sin. It's just impossible to save ourselves from the consequences of our past sins. Should we still sin, since the debt is paid? "Heaven forbid..." "
 
He won in in 2020 and to pretend otherwise I would have to consider disingenuous on your part. Do you really believe Biden got more than 74 million votes? I get that you don't like Trump and I acknowledge you have some legit points but you guys get a little over the top imo.
So I'm disingenuous to you. I've heard this "Trump won" crap for a year & a half with zero hard evidence & losing every court case. You'll believe any conspiracy to support your POV w/o evidence. And save "there is evidence but no legal authority wants to hear or address it." Fact is Dims got the voting rules changed, legally or not, and exploited every niche to get out new unthinking voters. And Trump helped them with his outrageous comments.

Give it a rest.
 
I do not frkn get his love of Christie Cream. Just don't get it
They are very similar in their political ideology. New York City - New Jersey, hard to separate. Remember Donald Trump was a liberal Democrat before he was a Republican so it makes sense he would want to please the other side as much as possible. Without Democrats he would not have won in 2016.

Donald Trump had a life before 2016 and people seem to forget that. His unjust treatment has gained him sympathy and many want him to get revenge on those who harmed him. So they will vote for him. I had a Trump supporter tell me that very thing. Revenge
 
My First Lady. You can have Dr Jill. I take Casey she puts people first.

 
He won in in 2020 and to pretend otherwise I would have to consider disingenuous on your part. Do you really believe Biden got more than 74 million votes? I get that you don't like Trump and I acknowledge you have some legit points but you guys get a little over the top imo.

I know he isn't in the white house that's all that really matters. I have zero doubt Dems cheated massively and I even went into detail about how they did it.

If it was just that race, I could potentially see it. His people lost every other contentious race in the last 6 elections. He's way more burden than benefit in a close down ballot race.

Is it fair? No because it's built on perception. Is it still true he can't win and will be devastating down ballot? Yes.
 
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