POLITICAL THREAD

[trueblujr2]

Strawman my ass. Do you have any idea how extreme the United States and our lack of gun laws is compared to the rest of the world???
You think guns being the leading cause of childhood death in the U. S. is normal and acceptable??
There is no other developed nation on earth that has this problem... NONE.
You gun nuts are so indoctrinated and whacked out by your gun worship that you are blind to how completely F'd up America is on this issue.
It's like growing up in a ghetto where gun violence and death happens every five minutes and nobody thinks a thing about it. America has become one big gun shot ghetto and you think it's completely normal. It's not.

On gun violence, the United States is an outlier | Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation

When we look exclusively at high-income countries and territories with populations of 10 million or more, the US ranks first for its high levels of gun violence.

www.healthdata.org

Do you understand that while America has far more guns per capita than any other country on the planet, that our violent crime rate ranks near the bottom in the world. We are essentially one of the safest countries in the world. Why do you think that is? And what's the common denominator in the few major cities with the strictest gun control laws that defy the norm for most of the US? And no, I'm not talking about the racial makeup of those cities, because I know you lefties like to go directly there. I'm talking about the governing bodies of those cities.

 

[Dionysus444]

That wasn't what I responded to. I responded to a comment you made about why God changed his mind on incest. Why was it okay for Adam and Eve but later not okay. That is about the mind of God. There is nothing science can do to answer why God did what he did.

That was used as evidence for our misunderstanding of the event. The most likely answer to the question, "Why was it[incest] okay for Adam and Eve but later not okay," is not 'God just magically did it and we can't ask why,' it's that something is wrong with our understanding of those events that needs to be reviewed for it to have happened in our observed universe that doesn't have magic. How often does God just magically do things in today's world? Again, you can say 'Well He's God we can't know why He doesn't.' You can say that about everything. It adds nothing to the conversation, to our pursuit of knowledge. Destroys, not creates. If God is real He gave us these brains to understand His creation. Not to throw up our hands and say, 'God did it! That's all we need to know.' Isn't it more likely that say, Adam and Eve are metaphors representative of small populations of humans? Why does it matter so much that it be literally true(1 man made of dust, 1 woman made from rib) rather than figuratively true?

 

[trueblujr2]

At the expense of what children? If their parents don’t want them to go, don’t take them. How does a Drag Queen Story Hour that you don’t attend have any effect on you?

What about the teacher's who take their students to these without a parents consent?

 

[trueblujr2]

I would say they identify as dead/deceased.

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6 people dead and they are more concerned about the gender identity of the lunatic who shot them. How about monster. We will identify them as a monster.

 

[Bill Derington]

I agree. I don't believe it based on this poll. I believe because of all the data points we saw over the past 4+ years. Of voters, more people will vote against trump than for him.

If trump wins the nom, he will lose the general. Even worse, Dems will win down ballot because of it.

That’s your opinion, I don’t think you’re right.
Do you want to live in a Country where your leader is selected for you, where voting is just a pastime to make the citizens feel like they’re electing them? Because that’s what you’re suggesting.

Desantis is a fraud, I’ve been telling you this for 3 years, he will do as he’s told, abd he will most definitely lose if he’s the nominee, abd the Dems won’t even have to cheat.

 

[Dionysus444]

Quran yes.

Checkmate

Anything non-Abrahamic?

 

[cat_in_the_hat]

That was used as evidence for our misunderstanding of the event. The most likely answer to the question, "Why was it[incest] okay for Adam and Eve but later not okay," is not 'God just magically did it and we can't ask why,' it's that something is wrong with our understanding of those events that needs to be reviewed for it to have happened in our observed universe that doesn't have magic. How often does God just magically do things in today's world? Again, you can say 'Well He's God we can't know why He doesn't.' You can say that about everything. It adds nothing to the conversation, to our pursuit of knowledge. Destroys, not creates. If God is real He gave us these brains to understand His creation. Not to throw up our hands and say, 'God did it! That's all we need to know.' Isn't it more likely that say, Adam and Eve are metaphors representative of small populations of humans? Why does it matter so much that it be literally true(1 man made of dust, 1 woman made from rib) rather than figuratively true?

I've never said anything about Adam and Eve being 100% true or not. I know people who view it both ways. I was responding to the first question you asked above, nothing more, "why was it okay for Adam and Eve but later not okay". That is an unanswerable question because only God can tell you his reasoning. There is nothing in anything I have said that suggests we shouldn't explore God's creation and learn as much as we can. I simply said you can't know God's mind. Why was it okay before and it's not okay now is not a science question. You may be interested in discovering more about how species adapt when there is a small breeding population with the potential for genetic disorders, or how do large populations grow from small breeding groups without having genetic problems. Those are scientific questions worth pursuing. Why did God change his mind on incest is not a scientific question.

 

[trueblujr2]

No.

I said i am not going to call for a law. Also i am not represented in either state. A traditional liberal would appreciate that.

Why do you feel the need to wear a bra and dress and get in front of kids. Seems kinda strange.

Or exposed fake prosthetic boobs and a thong for that matter?

 

[Freetaxreturn]

Strawman my ass. Do you have any idea how extreme the United States and our lack of gun laws is compared to the rest of the world???
You think guns being the leading cause of childhood death in the U. S. is normal and acceptable??
There is no other developed nation on earth that has this problem... NONE.
You gun nuts are so indoctrinated and whacked out by your gun worship that you are blind to how completely F'd up America is on this issue.
It's like growing up in a ghetto where gun violence and death happens every five minutes and nobody thinks a thing about it. America has become one big gun shot ghetto and you think it's completely normal. It's not.

On gun violence, the United States is an outlier | Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation

When we look exclusively at high-income countries and territories with populations of 10 million or more, the US ranks first for its high levels of gun violence.

www.healthdata.org

Sorry again Sambo 🍺

 

[SDC888]

His hardcore supporters are fervent for sure. This data though is why I keep saying he hopefully doesn't win the nom. More people will vote against him (or not vote) than will for him, no matter how you slice it.

What data?

Any such "data" would be so easily manipulable as to be only purposed for wholecloth conlcusions used to misdirect.

DJT received more R votes than any presidential in history, probably the most genuine ballots of any candidate ever. All he would have to do is run on a competent platform comparing then to now and he would win in a landslide, which is the real problem incidentally, he's unlikely to run a competent campaign.

This idea that you can just run some clean cut conservative and win going away by persuading the middle is a fantasy that exists only in your conservative minds and worldview (no offense meant). That America is gone; you gonna get rekt by the left, who couldn't care less about substantive honest debate, here on out unless you fight fire with firre.

 

[Sawnee Cat]

Something drastically wrong with the other four.

Trump has about 40% hardcore followers that will be with him even if he forms a third party. They will not vote for any Republican not named Trump because very few of them were conservatives to start with.

His history is heavy donations to the most liberal Democrats. A lot of people overlooked that because of the Hillary Clinton threat and a fool in Joe Biden but some will not in the future. He has not gained a single vote since 2020 but has lost many. He can not win a general election.

We need an active GOP Primary where candidates are allowed to express their opinions without cheap shot from this bitter man. The man who pushed his vaccine on America and shut the country down. Then attacked governors who wanted to keep their state open. And attacked Congressmen like Thomas Massie for questioning Trump's covid policy of shutting down the government and spent money to keep it closed. Trump wanted Massie kicked out of congress. It is time to move on.

 

[Dionysus444]

Do you understand that while America has far more guns per capita than any other country on the planet, that our violent crime rate ranks near the bottom in the world. We are essentially one of the safest countries in the world.

Links?

 

[TheFrontRunner]

 

[jameslee32]

In a sane world, we would not have to have a law...

🤣

 

[trueblujr2]

Strawman my ass. Do you have any idea how extreme the United States and our lack of gun laws is compared to the rest of the world???
You think guns being the leading cause of childhood death in the U. S. is normal and acceptable??
There is no other developed nation on earth that has this problem... NONE.
You gun nuts are so indoctrinated and whacked out by your gun worship that you are blind to how completely F'd up America is on this issue.
It's like growing up in a ghetto where gun violence and death happens every five minutes and nobody thinks a thing about it. America has become one big gun shot ghetto and you think it's completely normal. It's not.

On gun violence, the United States is an outlier | Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation

When we look exclusively at high-income countries and territories with populations of 10 million or more, the US ranks first for its high levels of gun violence.

www.healthdata.org

Read your last paragraph there and then tell us who is responsible for ignoring the problem? The entirety of America is not some "gunshot ghetto" those areas are isolated to historically Democrat controlled cities. And why is nothing being done about it? How about your side vote for people who will address the high crime areas and the reasons for that BEFORE they try to take away my law-abiding constitutional right to defend myself from such crime.

 

[Dionysus444]

What about the teacher's who take their students to these without a parents consent?

What're the rules on that? Don't parents have to sign off on basically all field trips? Regardless if there was adult content there then I'm sure there would be legal issues. When I was in school if the teacher wanted to show anything above PG the whole class had to get parental consent.

 

[trueblujr2]

Links?

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/violent-crime-rates-by-country

 

[TheFrontRunner]

Just a Christian student shooting up a school says the headline...

 

[Wesley91581]

 

[Freetaxreturn]

Sorry again Sambo 🍺

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Sambo you tell me, and this wasn’t in the United States

 

[trueblujr2]

What're the rules on that? Don't parents have to sign off on basically all field trips? Regardless if there was adult content there then I'm sure there would be legal issues. When I was in school if the teacher wanted to show anything above PG the whole class had to get parental consent.

I've signed permission slips for my kids to go on field trips to the public library before, but it never stated what exactly was going to occur at the library. You would think going to the Library would be an innocent enough venture would you not? All my kids are in their twenties now, with the exception of one 17 year old step-daughter.

 

[Dionysus444]

I've never said anything about Adam and Eve being 100% true or not. I know people who view it both ways. I was responding to the first question you asked above, nothing more, "why was it okay for Adam and Eve but later not okay". That is an unanswerable question because only God can tell you his reasoning. There is nothing in anything I have said that suggests we shouldn't explore God's creation and learn as much as we can. I simply said you can't know God's mind. Why was it okay before and it's not okay now is not a science question. You may be interested in discovering more about how species adapt when there is a small breeding population with the potential for genetic disorders, or how do large populations grow from small breeding groups without having genetic problems. Those are scientific questions worth pursuing. Why did God change his mind on incest is not a scientific question.

Yeah you're right the real scientific question for the Adam and Eve scenario is how two individuals birthed the whole population without issues. @BlueRunner11's posit on that and our resulting back-and-forth about God's intent was all speculative. Granted.

 

[Sawnee Cat]

Trump will not be able to run against Biden's Covid policy because of videos like this. When Congressman Massie disagreed with Trump he tried to have him kicked out of the GOP.. Trump ended up giving Fauci and Dr. Birx Presidential Medals. Will Trump admit he was wrong. No, he will blame somebody else. All of this will come out in the Primary and people like Gov Brian Kemp, Rep Thomas Massie and others will talk and tell their story. Trump apologist will ignore it and attack them but the truth will be aired.



Thomas Massie
@RepThomasMassie

3 years ago today, I warned that the massive stimulus, encouraging people not to work, printing money, and giving Governors the green light to shut down the economy would cause inflation, shortages, and suffering for years. My reward: POTUS said I should be thrown out of the GOP.

 

[Wesley91581]

 

[AustinTXCat]

Surprise.... Surprise. Another AR15 mowing down babies.
Right wing nut jobs love guns more than children. It's not even debatable anymore.
Hold your AR15 close tonight and tell it how much you love her.

"An armed woman"

"A former student"

"Female suspect"

Stop the sugarcoating. This was a transgender terrorist who deliberately hunted Christian kids.

Hate crime.

 

[Dionysus444]

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/violent-crime-rates-by-country

Look closer at your stats there. There are lots of things going on with that link, but the first and most notable is that the US isn't the lightest shade. Like almost half the rest of the world is.

 

[UK_fan_41102]

6 people dead and they are more concerned about the gender identity of the lunatic who shot them. How about monster. We will identify them as a monster.

Dead/deceased is all that matters for what they did.

 

[WildcatofNati]

What're the rules on that? Don't parents have to sign off on basically all field trips? Regardless if there was adult content there then I'm sure there would be legal issues. When I was in school if the teacher wanted to show anything above PG the whole class had to get parental consent.

Fair enough, and, besides, it is unheard of, for a teacher to be so woke as to want a field trip to a drag show in the first place. I would be shocked, shocked to hear of a woke teacher. 🙄

 

[UK_fan_41102]

Further proof that "guns" aren't the problem.

 

[cole854]

At the expense of what children? If their parents don’t want them to go, don’t take them. How does a Drag Queen Story Hour that you don’t attend have any effect on you?

So as expected, you're ok with socially decaying incidents such as this and people just need to bury their head in the sand if they don't want to go. does that go for anything else that can be a detriment to society as a whole?

 

[Dionysus444]

So as expected, you're ok with socially decaying incidents such as this and people just need to bury their head in the sand if they don't want to go. does that go for anything else that can be a detriment to society as a whole?

It isn't detrimental. It's beneficial. If you think it's detrimental you're free to choose not to participate. With these laws being passed those of us who disagree are not free to choose.

 

[trueblujr2]

Trump will not be able to run against Biden's Covid policy because of videos like this. When Congressman Massie disagreed with Trump he tried to have him kicked out of the GOP.. Trump ended up giving Fauci and Dr. Birx Presidential Medals. Will Trump admit he was wrong. No, he will blame somebody else. All of this will come out in the Primary and people like Gov Brian Kemp, Rep Thomas Massie and others will talk and tell their story. Trump apologist will ignore it and attack them but the truth will be aired.

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Thomas Massie
@RepThomasMassie

3 years ago today, I warned that the massive stimulus, encouraging people not to work, printing money, and giving Governors the green light to shut down the economy would cause inflation, shortages, and suffering for years. My reward: POTUS said I should be thrown out of the GOP.

I admit to being hard on Massie at the time as I live in his district. I was harsh without fully understanding or researching what Trump was railing on him about. I regret that as Massie has proven to be a much more pronounced voice on these issues than he ever used to be, Now I'm glad he represents me and wish he could Primary McConnell at some point.

 

[sambowieshin]

"An armed woman"

"A former student"

"Female suspect"

Stop the sugarcoating. This was a transgender terrorist who deliberately hunted Christian kids.

Hate crime.

Why would someone who may be considered emotionally unstable be allowed access to an AR15??
Here's what you right wing gun nuts never seem to comprehend.....
EVERY country in the world has mentally unstable people.
EVERY country in the world has trans people.
EVERY country in the world has schools.
What is the ONE variable that sets the good ole USA apart from every other developed country in the World???
What is the ONE variable that allows us to be the kids killed by guns CAPITAL of the World????
It's the ease of access and type of guns nutjobs are able to get at will in our f'd up dystopian country.
Wake up!!!!!!!!!!! This has become one of the sh**hole countries Trump complained about and it is because of the stranglehold the NRA has on our politicians in America.
Who in their right mind thinks America is a great place for children??? 🤬🤬🤬

 

[jameslee32]

Trump will not be able to run against Biden's Covid policy because of videos like this. When Congressman Massie disagreed with Trump he tried to have him kicked out of the GOP.. Trump ended up giving Fauci and Dr. Birx Presidential Medals. Will Trump admit he was wrong. No, he will blame somebody else. All of this will come out in the Primary and people like Gov Brian Kemp, Rep Thomas Massie and others will talk and tell their story. Trump apologist will ignore it and attack them but the truth will be aired.

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Thomas Massie
@RepThomasMassie

3 years ago today, I warned that the massive stimulus, encouraging people not to work, printing money, and giving Governors the green light to shut down the economy would cause inflation, shortages, and suffering for years. My reward: POTUS said I should be thrown out of the GOP.

Trump endorses Massie two years after calling for him to be booted from GOP

Former President Trump announced his endorsement of Rep. Thomas Massie (Ky.) on Tuesday, after previously calling for him to be kicked out of the Republican Party. “Congressman Thomas Massie is a C…

thehill.com

 

[TopCatCal]

Strawman my ass. Do you have any idea how extreme the United States and our lack of gun laws is compared to the rest of the world???
You think guns being the leading cause of childhood death in the U. S. is normal and acceptable??
There is no other developed nation on earth that has this problem... NONE.
You gun nuts are so indoctrinated and whacked out by your gun worship that you are blind to how completely F'd up America is on this issue.
It's like growing up in a ghetto where gun violence and death happens every five minutes and nobody thinks a thing about it. America has become one big gun shot ghetto and you think it's completely normal. It's not.

On gun violence, the United States is an outlier | Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation

When we look exclusively at high-income countries and territories with populations of 10 million or more, the US ranks first for its high levels of gun violence.

www.healthdata.org

When I was in school during the 1960's & 70's our country was flooded with guns, 10's of millions of guns. And in those days compared to today there were almost no gun control laws, Yet these school shootings never ever happened. Could you tell us why this was? I mean anyone with 2 or more working brain cells can see by this that guns are not the problem. It takes a finger to make a gun work. You take prayer out of schools, you take the 10 commandants off the school walls & this is what happens. And which political party is it that doesn't want prayer in our schools? Way to go democrats, you destroy everything you come in contact with.

 

[sambowieshin]

Read your last paragraph there and then tell us who is responsible for ignoring the problem? The entirety of America is not some "gunshot ghetto" those areas are isolated to historically Democrat controlled cities. And why is nothing being done about it? How about your side vote for people who will address the high crime areas and the reasons for that BEFORE they try to take away my law-abiding constitutional right to defend myself from such crime.

So because violence happens primarily where about 80 percent of Americans live.... It is not your problem?? Do you not realize that without America's large urban cities your podunk town would have less than nothing to live on?
Cities are the engines that drive state income, innovation, trade, medical services, and agriculture usage.
The main reason for the high crime is high gun usage and murder rates from them.
Any time dems try to do something about guns the NRA and Republicans go berzerk.
I will fully admit that some Dems are way too soft on crime (not me) but that combined by the ease of gun access is what is destroying lives and our way of life in America.
It's a real problem when you can't send your kid to school without worrying about them having their head blown off by a nut with an AR15.

 

[Freetaxreturn]

Sambo you tell me, and this wasn’t in the United States

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Sambo just some more evidence 🍺

 

[bigblueinsanity]

That’s your opinion, I don’t think you’re right.
Do you want to live in a Country where your leader is selected for you, where voting is just a pastime to make the citizens feel like they’re electing them? Because that’s what you’re suggesting.

Desantis is a fraud, I’ve been telling you this for 3 years, he will do as he’s told, abd he will most definitely lose if he’s the nominee, abd the Dems won’t even have to cheat.

I don't. That's why I don't want him to get the nom. If he does, he loses and Dems roll on.

Desantis was the only one who stood up to covid mania and the only one who virtually eliminated wokeness from his state. If he's a fraud, then we need more frauds.

What data?

Any such "data" would be so easily manipulable as to be only purposed for wholecloth conlcusions used to misdirect.

DJT received more R votes than any presidential in history, probably the most genuine ballots of any candidate ever. All he would have to do is run on a competent platform comparing then to now and he would win in a landslide, which is the real problem incidentally, he's unlikely to run a competent campaign.

This idea that you can just run some clean cut conservative and win going away by persuading the middle is a fantasy that exists only in your conservative minds and worldview (no offense meant). That America is gone; you gonna get rekt by the left, who couldn't care less about substantive honest debate, here on out unless you fight fire with firre.

People can disagree with me. That's fine. Fact remains trump candidates lost almost to a person the last 3 legislative elections. Add in that trump himself lost and there is literally nothing in the last 6 years that leads to any conclusion other than trump losing.

Even in his best light, trump can't attack Dems on any of the covid insanity because he started and approved it all. That is a massive weak point in the Dems armor that he can't touch

 

[Sawnee Cat]

I admit to being hard on Massie at the time as I live in his district. I was harsh without fully understanding or researching what Trump was railing on him about. I regret that as Massie has proven to be a much more pronounced voice on these issues than he ever used to be, Now I'm glad he represents me and wish he could Primary McConnell at some point.

I think we can be safe in stating Thomas Massie will not be endorsing Trump in 2024. Not after the way he was treated.

Has any Governor endorsed Trump to date? I know several who have not and will not. Trump does have Kari Lake but she is governor only in her mind. She may have been cheated, I don't know but she is not sitting in the governor's office.

 

[Sawnee Cat]

Riley Gaines is being protested at Pittsburgh. She is one strong young lady.