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How will they rule ??!

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    Votes: 41 82.0%
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There's a difference though, in the "rhetoric" Trump has by and large told the truth about most things, you can go back to all of his predictions of what would happen if Biden got elected and wouldn't you know it, most of it has come to fruition or is well on its way.

Dems ARE destroying America. They are destroying everything the country was founded upon.

They ARE going after our guns, and you want them to with your constant attacks on anyone who might possess an AR15.

They are going after our kids, they don't want parents to have any say in their kids educations, they want public schools to be indoctrination factories. Why else would they call parents domestic terrorists and have AOC and aschool board leaders preaching that parents don't need to know what's being taught. Not to mention forcing Vaccines and masks on extremely low risk kids.

They have gone after peoples jobs by pushing mandates and lockdowns on the public. Military Members, Hospital workers, Companies and businesses all across this country requiring the Jab or lose your job.

Attacks on Christianity and religion is a constant assault by members of the left. They literally were considering Catholics who still attend Latin masses as domestic terrorists.

Gender? Sane people who follow science realize and understand there's only two genders, but we are being forced to recognize a plethora of made up nonsense genders to accomodate, normalize and enable dysphoria and mental illness.

Dems are threatening our way of life. They are in bed with the WEF who want mass surveillance, Digital ID's 15 minute cities, wanting us to register our personal gardens, telling us what we can eat, what appliances we can cook on, What kinds of cars we can drive, Social Credit scores that tell us what we can purchase or punish us if our spending habits or social media postings don't toe the government prescribed line.

If you don't see the problems at the border you are Blind and clueless.

Yes, they want schools to continue to become indoctrination factories, Want parents out of their way, don't want parents to have school choice or any say in their education.

Yes they want our Gas fueled cars gone and us all in electric vehicles, well not really, they would prefer we all be crammed in 15 minute cities using public transportation. They would love to ban our gas fueled cars.

Yes, Dems want no part of securing elections and preventing fraud, they want every means necessary to ensure their side wins, through every possible unsecure method that doesn't require any proof of residency or legality to vote or verification that you are who you say you are.

See all of the above as to why Dems want to destroy our entire future.

And yes they want to raise the holy hell out of our taxes. Biden bold face lied. Show me how the trillion dollar tax proposal doesn't impact anyone making under $400K?

Meanwhile Dems rhetoric just happens to label half the country of ordinary everyday citizens like myself as Domestic Terrorists. Literally calls for violence (video proof has been posted on here ad nauseum). The majority of the "rhetoric" from Trump can be backed up with facts and proof, Dem Rhetoric is just that. Rhetoric that can't be backed up or justified because it never has to be, no one ever holds them accountable for preaching lies. no one will ever call them out on them.
I think the reason we can't agree on many of these major issues facing our country is because we have a diametrically opposed view of the definition of "destroying America".
In my world, destroying America means women have no control over their own reproduction rights.... They have no control over their own bodies. I grew up in an America that was not like this.
In my world, destroying America means that guns are the leading cause of death for children in America. Destroying America means my grandkids have a greater chance of being killed by gunfire than killed in a car accident, cancer or any other cause. This is not the America I grew up in.

In my world, destroying America means that the government now tells parents what type of medical care they are allowed or not allowed to get for their trans kids.
In my world, destroying America means there is no longer a separation of church and state. It wasn't always like this.
In my world, destroying America means I live in a society where guns and people that love guns are more protected by laws than our children.
In my world, destroying America means your religious views can be turned into laws to weaponize our government against individuals just trying to live their lives in peace.
In my world, destroying America means you have the right to tell others how to live their lives even if their lifestyle has ZERO impact on yours. I grew up at a time there were no laws against trans, gays or drag shows.
In my world, extreme far right Republicans are turning red states into Taliban religious theocracies where individual rights mean nothing anymore unless it's the right to own weapons of war. AR15s were illegal at one time. There weren't as many mass shootings.
In my world, you and your nutty religious government laws are destroying the America I love.
 
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I don't put much stock into people trying to explain things that can't be known. I guess it can make for interesting discussions but ultimately, no matter how much time and effort we put into it, it can't be known. The Bible doesn't speak to it. So we are speculating on the mind of God and we can't understand the mind of God. I feel the same way about arguments that try to logically determine how God would react or think about a certain situation, for example illegal immigration. We don't think like god thinks. Our minds aren't capable of understanding God's mind. I think it's interesting to think about, but I don't think it's knowable. There are several similar questions that I have wondered about over the years but I don't spend much energy trying to solve the mystery because I know it's unsolvable.
I just don’t accept that premise. We have learned so much about the universe in just our short time on this rock. Throughout all of history authorities have told us to just be content with how things are and not to question. I disagree. Question everything in pursuit of knowledge. Knowledge is what has led to all the advancement we’ve been able to accomplish over the ages. Calling something unknowable is a cop out for the lazy or a tool to control.
 
There's a difference between improbable and impossible. Evolution, as it is "understood," is impossible.

It's only "possible" because the starting point presumes it.
Don’t you claim to be a ‘classic liberal’ centrist? And you’re a creationist?
 
Still defending the indefensible, are we?

Your strawman ass is dismissed.
Strawman my ass. Do you have any idea how extreme the United States and our lack of gun laws is compared to the rest of the world???
You think guns being the leading cause of childhood death in the U. S. is normal and acceptable??
There is no other developed nation on earth that has this problem... NONE.
You gun nuts are so indoctrinated and whacked out by your gun worship that you are blind to how completely F'd up America is on this issue.
It's like growing up in a ghetto where gun violence and death happens every five minutes and nobody thinks a thing about it. America has become one big gun shot ghetto and you think it's completely normal. It's not.

 
No, it isn't that simple. This isn't an anything goes society, despite the viewpoints of the deranged liberals. You don't get to do what you want at the expense of our children.
At the expense of what children? If their parents don’t want them to go, don’t take them. How does a Drag Queen Story Hour that you don’t attend have any effect on you?
 
At the expense of what children? If their parents don’t want them to go, don’t take them. How does a Drag Queen Story Hour that you don’t attend have any effect on you?
I am not going to call for a law against tranny story time, bc i shouldnt have to. Decent ppl should not support it at all. Just like story time w methhead dion and patty the daytime hooker story time.

In a sane world, we would not have to have a law...

But it is interesting to watch your defense stay away from things like that pic with the naked guy and child showed a couple of days ago. Either you support it or cannot even defend it. You prob support it.
 
Strawman my ass. Do you have any idea how extreme the United States and our lack of gun laws is compared to the rest of the world???
You think guns being the leading cause of childhood death in the U. S. is normal and acceptable??
There is no other developed nation on earth that has this problem... NONE.
You gun nuts are so indoctrinated and whacked out by your gun worship that you are blind to how completely F'd up America is on this issue.
It's like growing up in a ghetto where gun violence and death happens every five minutes and nobody thinks a thing about it. America has become one big gun shot ghetto and you think it's completely normal. It's not.


You’re beating a dead horse. No one is giving up their guns. In fact, people are just buying more.

Authoritative federal and state democrats policies on lockdowns, forced vaccinations, BLM/Antifa riots, defund the police, prisoner releases, labeling soccer moms as domestic terrorists, verge of WW3, food shortages, etc have made gun sales in this country skyrocket even in the most liberal areas.

The last 3 years or so, I’ve had many CA democrats who have never owned or even shot a firearm approach me asking questions about purchasing and training. Unfortunately they still haven’t put 2 and 2 together to realize it’s their policies and support of progressivism that has caused them to feel this unsafe.
 
His hardcore supporters are fervent for sure. This data though is why I keep saying he hopefully doesn't win the nom. More people will vote against him (or not vote) than will for him, no matter how you slice it.
You should probably not read too much into an NPR/Marist poll.

Looking at their percentages per party for the poll, it was 38% Dem, 33% Ind, and 29% Rep, that isn't reality.

Also, they also post past favorable and unfavorable polls on Trump. In November of 2016 this same polling firm had Trump with a favorability of 30%, how did he win the election if this poll is accurate?
 
I think the reason we can't agree on many of these major issues facing our country is because we have a diametrically opposed view of the definition of "destroying America".
In my world, destroying America means women have no control over their own reproduction rights.... They have no control over their own bodies. I grew up in an America that was not like this.
In my world, destroying America means that guns are the leading cause of death for children in America. Destroying America means my grandkids have a greater chance of being killed by gunfire than killed in a car accident, cancer or any other cause. This is not the America I grew up in.

In my world, destroying America means that the government now tells parents what type of medical care they are allowed or not allowed to get for their trans kids.
In my world, destroying America means there is no longer a separation of church and state. It wasn't always like this.
In my world, destroying America means I live in a society where guns and people that love guns are more protected by laws than our children.
In my world, destroying America means your religious views can be turned into laws to weaponize our government against individuals just trying to live their lives in peace.
In my world, destroying America means you have the right to tell others how to live their lives even if their lifestyle has ZERO impact on yours. I grew up at a time there were no laws against trans, gays or drag shows.
In my world, extreme far right Republicans are turning red states into Taliban religious theocracies where individual rights mean nothing anymore unless it's the right to own weapons of war. AR15s were illegal at one time. There weren't as many mass shootings.
In my world, you and your nutty religious government laws are destroying the America I love.
The political coalitions of 2023 have little in common. In 1955 there was significant cultural, religious, and societal overlap. Everybody that was part of the conversation was a white Christian man. They had different ideas on how to solve problems, but that was basically their only difference. Now the two coalitions have hardly anything in common. One is still the white Christian men who wish things were more like those 1950s. But the other has become a rainbow coalition of all the ‘others’, minorities of race, religion, and sex. They still both see the same problems and have differing ideas on how to fix them, but the makeup of the actual people in the parties has changed so it’s easier for both sides to focus on the ‘who’s and not the ‘why’s.

In all the constitutional law discussion we’ve had on here over the years I’ve probably quoted the Constitution more than any other poster. And I’m a far lefty. We all love the ideas of freedom and equality our country was founded on. We just hate our neighbors we see as perverting those values. And it’s easier than ever to identify who’s who. When you see someone walking down the street you can guess their political affiliation probably more than 75% of the time. It didn’t used to be like that.
 
Strawman my ass. Do you have any idea how extreme the United States and our lack of gun laws is compared to the rest of the world???
You think guns being the leading cause of childhood death in the U. S. is normal and acceptable??
There is no other developed nation on earth that has this problem... NONE.
You gun nuts are so indoctrinated and whacked out by your gun worship that you are blind to how completely F'd up America is on this issue.
It's like growing up in a ghetto where gun violence and death happens every five minutes and nobody thinks a thing about it. America has become one big gun shot ghetto and you think it's completely normal. It's not.

Negative. YOU own this latest massacre in Nashville. Supporting mental whackjobs. Good grief!

WTF is wrong with you? GTFO!
 
I just don’t accept that premise. We have learned so much about the universe in just our short time on this rock. Throughout all of history authorities have told us to just be content with how things are and not to question. I disagree. Question everything in pursuit of knowledge. Knowledge is what has led to all the advancement we’ve been able to accomplish over the ages. Calling something unknowable is a cop out for the lazy or a tool to control.
You are missing the point. We aren't talking about science here. We are talking about why God did certain things. It's unknowable no matter how much effort you put into it. If it were a scientific endeavor I would agree with you, but this has nothing to do with science. It's speculation on why God acted in a certain way, which is unknowable.
 
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I am not going to call for a law against tranny story time, bc i shouldnt have to. Decent ppl should not support it at all. Just like story time w methhead dion and patty the daytime hooker story time.

In a sane world, we would not have to have a law...

But it is interesting to watch your defense stay away from things like that pic with the naked guy and child showed a couple of days ago. Either you support it or cannot even defend it. You prob support it.
Tennessee already passed the law and KY is trying. Do you not support those laws? You'll join us in protesting them?
 
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You are missing the point. We aren't talking about science here. We are talking about why God did certain things. It's unknowable no matter how much effort you put into it. If it were a scientific endeavor I would agree with you, but this has nothing to do with science. It's speculation on why God acted in a certain way, which is unknowable.
We're talking about the origin of our species. Historical facts that happened. Sometime in the past our species arose. That is a fact. Whether God did it or not, it still happened. We can absolutely discuss and learn about those facts. That is science. Throwing up your hands and saying 'God did it! We can never know' is defeatist dross to placate the incurious.
 
Does anyone know if the Nashville shooter was Antifa affiliated? To me, this is far more pertinent than its gender status. I'd like to at least hope that most of the trans community would condemn what happened yesterday (and, without the "yes, but" than Dion and Sam contributed). I'd hope. But I have no corresponding hope for the woke weirdos of Antifa. I seriously doubt a single one of them is saddened at all by yesterday's atrocity.
 
Tennessee already passed the law and KY is trying. Do you not support those laws? You'll join us in protesting them?
No.

I said i am not going to call for a law. Also i am not represented in either state. A traditional liberal would appreciate that.

Why do you feel the need to wear a bra and dress and get in front of kids. Seems kinda strange.
 
You should probably not read too much into an NPR/Marist poll.

Looking at their percentages per party for the poll, it was 38% Dem, 33% Ind, and 29% Rep, that isn't reality.

Also, they also post past favorable and unfavorable polls on Trump. In November of 2016 this same polling firm had Trump with a favorability of 30%, how did he win the election if this poll is accurate?

I agree. I don't believe it based on this poll. I believe because of all the data points we saw over the past 4+ years. Of voters, more people will vote against trump than for him.

If trump wins the nom, he will lose the general. Even worse, Dems will win down ballot because of it.
 
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We're talking about the origin of our species. Historical facts that happened. Sometime in the past our species arose. That is a fact. Whether God did it or not, it still happened. We can absolutely discuss and learn about those facts. That is science. Throwing up your hands and saying 'God did it! We can never know.' is defeatist dross to placate the incurious.
We know precisely when he created human. On the 6th day.

Have you ever studied the wonders of the Bible? Incurious?
 
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We're talking about the origin of our species. Historical facts that happened. Sometime in the past our species arose. That is a fact. Whether God did it or not, it still happened. We can absolutely discuss and learn about those facts. That is science. Throwing up your hands and saying 'God did it! We can never know' is defeatist dross to placate the incurious.
That wasn't what I responded to. I responded to a comment you made about why God changed his mind on incest. Why was it okay for Adam and Eve but later not okay. That is about the mind of God. There is nothing science can do to answer why God did what he did.
 
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