POLITICAL THREAD

[Girthang]

Fuzz, are you Evil? More specifically, are you Lawful Evil? I suspect that you are.

Regardless of what you speculate as to Babbitt's intent, you don't get to execute her over it- at least not in places with a fair justice system. There were indeed similar acts of "insurrection" in 2020, all across the nation, in which rioters invaded government buildings, police stations in particular, but no similar executions.

I have no idea what you are babbling about, referring to advocacy of police shooting protesters for blocking traffic, but I assure you that I didn't advocate for any such thing, though, you would- so long as the protesters were on the opposite end of the political side than you. With that said, I would indeed give a Hell of a lot of "benefit of the doubt" to any private citizen in a vehicle who is being accosted by protesters surrounding said vehicle, and who does whatever necessary to clear the area. And that applies regardless of the nature of the protest- though, I would add that the tendency of protesters to accost uninvolved motorists does appear to exclusively to be a Left thing.

Babbitt was murdered. Broad daylight, no weapon, non-threatening, a follower not a leader, and she was shot and killed.

EVERYONE who covered this up, excused it, and refused to prosecute it should be fired, jailed, disbarred, and then imprisoned. Excessive use of force doesn't even begin to cover it.

 

[VaxxedObamaCat]

The J6 committee? They have nothing to do with truth. They were there for your benefit, not mine, not for the accused. No one has denied that violence occurred. You know that. Take the day in its totality and not just the excerpts you were fed by Nancy and Chuck.

Everyone was not in on the scam, but for you people to think this was all the work of disgruntled Trump supporters is defied by the evidence.

All you nitwits can process is one thought at a time, if that. You saw a window break and jump to the conclusion that someone deserved to be shot in the face. You saw isolated instances of violent behavior and attribute it to all the hundreds of people there.

I can lead an idiot to the truth, but I can't make him believe it.

The same people who argue Babbit deserved to die are also the same idiots who argue that a cop should have shot a black criminal in the leg instead of killing him despite the black criminal firing at them first or going for their gun.

Their agenda is simple and it's certainly not impartial.

Everything for Dems= good.

Their stance 100% depends upon the ethnicity and political affiliation of the person and then they craft their belief system on that. George Floyd dying resulted in them completely hijacking the country. Career criminal scum who was on drugs and committing crime and caused his own death. Jacob Blake with a knife going after having a warrant for sexual assault gets riots in his honor and a visit from the VP nominee.

But a female veteran with no record and not assaulting anyone or threatening anyone deserves to be shot in the face, that's exactly how the left feels.

We cannot have a country with these people. We don't belong together at all. They're a cult who do not share our values whatsoever.

 

[Bill Derington]

Well another mistruth bites the dust. Remember the one about Paul Ryan supporting DeSantis. Crazy right. No two people could be at more odds. Here is what Globalist Republican Neo-Cons think about DeSantis.

GOP Critical Over His Ukraine Remarks

And this is the position of DeSantis on Ukraine. Totally different than Biden and his GOP supporters, like Lindsey Graham, for that war.

DeSantis On Ukraine

The biggest proponent of the Ukraine War is Lindsey Graham and he is on the Trump team.

Lol, Desantis is trying to win the nomination, he’s going to follow every Trump position, and then flop like a fish if he’s the nominee, bank on it.

 

[vhcat70]

This guy also said blacks built this country when he was in front of a black audience. Trump so desperately wants to be liked and his ego makes him have to pop off any time some celebrity or politician says something about him.

How the hell does anyone not think black slaves built large portions of this country?

 

[AustinTXCat]

You sheep fell for the border "SURGE" bullshit just like you do every year.

Governor Abbott = awesome.



No thanks to Joe.

 

[rqarnold]

The J6 committee? They have nothing to do with truth. They were there for your benefit, not mine, not for the accused. No one has denied that violence occurred. You know that. Take the day in its totality and not just the excerpts you were fed by Nancy and Chuck.

Everyone was not in on the scam, but for you people to think this was all the work of disgruntled Trump supporters is defied by the evidence.

All you nitwits can process is one thought at a time, if that. You saw a window break and jump to the conclusion that someone deserved to be shot in the face. You saw isolated instances of violent behavior and attribute it to all the hundreds of people there.

I can lead an idiot to the truth, but I can't make him believe it.

Regarding J6 I take it as I watched it happening live. I take it from the facts we know and place the blame wholly upon the people who instigated it from the beginning.
Trump lost and tried to rally his followers to pressure the legislature to bend to his will. None of this happens without him and his people lying to his followers. He made 70 or so attempts in the courts, all were shot down. Liberal judges, conservative judges…even the court with 3 of his appointments rejected his arguments. His arguments were ridiculed and admonished by judges he had put on the bench. Everything that happened from that point was a result of the domino effect.
You’ve been led to the truth but still try to argue against it. I guess that makes you the idiot.

 

[bertfan31]

Babbitt was murdered. Broad daylight, no weapon, non-threatening, a follower not a leader, and she was shot and killed.

EVERYONE who covered this up, excused it, and refused to prosecute it should be fired, jailed, disbarred, and then imprisoned. Excessive use of force doesn't even begin to cover it.

The part that fuzz doesn't acknowledge, is that there were several capitol police standing about 6 feet behind her. They were carrying M16's. Sure does look like the one cop that is telling the other to stop shooting, points his gun at the murderer cop. The video does not show her with her head and shoulders through the door.

 

[bertfan31]

Regarding J6 I take it as I watched it happening live. I take it from the facts we know and place the blame wholly upon the people who instigated it from the beginning.

You watched live what you were supposed to watch live. You know very few facts and prove it when you say "blame wholly upon the people who instigated it". You refuse to look at anything that goes against the narrative you've been given.

Tell us your nuanced reasoning for not paying bradyjames again. In all this excitement I seem to have forgotten.

 

[bertfan31]

Here's the video I watched. There may be another. She was not armed and did not present a deadly threat. Guy in the background down the hall doesn't seem too concerned. Also, that was not the door to the chamber. It led to a hallway that leads to the lobby of the chamber. Of course the people who planned this operation and benefitted from it are not going to pursue the truth.

snuff film

 

[rqarnold]

Fuzz, are you Evil? More specifically, are you Lawful Evil? I suspect that you are.

Regardless of what you speculate as to Babbitt's intent, you don't get to execute her over it- at least not in places with a fair justice system. There were indeed similar acts of "insurrection" in 2020, all across the nation, in which rioters invaded government buildings, police stations in particular, but no similar executions.

I have no idea what you are babbling about, referring to advocacy of police shooting protesters for blocking traffic, but I assure you that I didn't advocate for any such thing, though, you would- so long as the protesters were on the opposite end of the political side than you. With that said, I would indeed give a Hell of a lot of "benefit of the doubt" to any private citizen in a vehicle who is being accosted by protesters surrounding said vehicle, and who does whatever necessary to clear the area. And that applies regardless of the nature of the protest- though, I would add that the tendency of protesters to accost uninvolved motorists does appear to exclusively to be a Left thing.

The difference between the BLM riots and J6 is BLM riots/rioters targeted property, not people.

Here is the shooting are you telling us these people didn’t have ill intentions? If you watch from the beginning they know there are congressmen in the room. They also know a guard has a gun aimed at the door. You’re ok with “private citizen” being accosted taking action but not with Capitol Police who are in charge of protecting elected officials?

I’ll ask for the n-teenth time…how far in, how many people should have been allowed into the office before shooting was justified? Did they need to wait until the protesters actually laid hands on someone?

 

[Girthang]

You watched live what you were supposed to watch live. You know very few facts and prove it when you say "blame wholly upon the people who instigated it". You refuse to look at anything that goes against the narrative you've been given.

Tell us your nuanced reasoning for not paying bradyjames again. In all this excitement I seem to have forgotten.

If ANYONE watched CNN and didn't go look for real footage and coverage, they were grossly misled as to what happened there. I watched video the night before and the day of, listening while I was working, from all kinds of sourced including live Fb feeds and Twitter uploads. People there saw it was a setup and warned everyone that was an actual trump supporter not to past the barricades or into the buildings.

They told cops to get off their asses and defend the building before people went in, but they stood down and away, (because they knew it was staged and that the fake magas would be let in shortly). Some of the guys responsible were best buds with Pelosi and her family. You'd have to be the biggest POS on the planet to ignore the footage and facts of this whole thing

 

[Sawnee Cat]

 

[WildcatofNati]

The difference between the BLM riots and J6 is BLM riots/rioters targeted property, not people.

This may literally be one of the most idiotic statements I have seen posted here, ever. Yeah, Fuzz,  some of the riots and rioters targeted property. I'll even say  most did. In fact, most of the J6 AND BLM riots were "mostly peaceful". Ask David Dorn about how ONLY property was a victim...well, unfortunately, you can't ask him that.

 

[gamecockcat]

Real, honest question: a friend of mine and I were talking last week about various things and she brought up Tucker Carlson and the videos and basically dismissed it as Carlson spreading a bunch of lies. Rather that get into a long, ultimately frustrating discussion about videos I've never seen (don't watch Fox or any news show), I'd like to know what the party line is re: Carlson and J6 videos and why some people think they're a fraud and doctored. Is it only political grandstanding or are there legitimate reasons to question whether Carlson is only showing bits and pieces of video that uphold his opinion while other bits that completely contradict his opinion are being left out, i.e., censoring the 'facts'?

It certainly appears to me that the narrative thus far has been that it was a violent, armed uprising with multiple individuals harmed and extensive property damage occurred. The few blips of the Carlson videos that I've watched calls that narrative into question. Multiple police officers were killed at the scene, I believe, has been completely discredited. Armed insurrectionists has also been discredited to my knowledge as no perpetrator has been charged with unlawfully carrying a firearm.

So, without political commentary, what, exactly, are the facts and how are we as citizens supposed to know which side of the current narrative to believe (or if the truth, as so often happens, lies in the middle)?

 

[mdlUK.1]

It’s not going to stop until women say no. Until they all stand up and refuse to play; until seasons and tournaments are canceled because no one will play, nothing will change.

 

[TheFrontRunner]

 

[UKBrassowTipIN]

The left will always support the current "thing"

 

[TheFrontRunner]

"truth squad"

 

[2Dope15]

Massachusetts high school solidifies state title with help from transgender girl, policy put under microscope

 

[VaxxedObamaCat]

 

[yes_takeaside]

Voted for Trump twice. In a perfect world, would again. However, I don’t see what pathway he has to the Presidency. What’s changed since 2020? Rigged or not, Trump lost to the worst Democrat ticket in the history of the country. He won’t flip Biden voters and as of now, has less support than he did in 2020. As evidence from the midterms, elections still aren’t secure. How does he win? No one has been able to realistically answer this yet.

The main goal imo is to get the Dem globalist commies out of DC. Whoever I feel has the best shot is who I’ll back when the time comes.

… Rigged or not he lost ….

That’s a contradiction

Trump doesn’t need to flip any Biden voters. He can only lose if it’s rigged again.

 

[Bill Derington]

If ANYONE watched CNN and didn't go look for real footage and coverage, they were grossly misled as to what happened there. I watched video the night before and the day of, listening while I was working, from all kinds of sourced including live Fb feeds and Twitter uploads. People there saw it was a setup and warned everyone that was an actual trump supporter not to past the barricades or into the buildings.

They told cops to get off their asses and defend the building before people went in, but they stood down and away, (because they knew it was staged and that the fake magas would be let in shortly). Some of the guys responsible were best buds with Pelosi and her family. You'd have to be the biggest POS on the planet to ignore the footage and facts of this whole thing

The proud Boys were the first ones at the Capitol, about 300. This was prior to Trump finishing his speech. At least that’s what the media has told us.

Now they are about to have the charges dropped because the FBI deleted evidence…

 

[VaxxedObamaCat]

Real, honest question: a friend of mine and I were talking last week about various things and she brought up Tucker Carlson and the videos and basically dismissed it as Carlson spreading a bunch of lies. Rather that get into a long, ultimately frustrating discussion about videos I've never seen (don't watch Fox or any news show), I'd like to know what the party line is re: Carlson and J6 videos and why some people think they're a fraud and doctored. Is it only political grandstanding or are there legitimate reasons to question whether Carlson is only showing bits and pieces of video that uphold his opinion while other bits that completely contradict his opinion are being left out, i.e., censoring the 'facts'?

It certainly appears to me that the narrative thus far has been that it was a violent, armed uprising with multiple individuals harmed and extensive property damage occurred. The few blips of the Carlson videos that I've watched calls that narrative into question. Multiple police officers were killed at the scene, I believe, has been completely discredited. Armed insurrectionists has also been discredited to my knowledge as no perpetrator has been charged with unlawfully carrying a firearm.

So, without political commentary, what, exactly, are the facts and how are we as citizens supposed to know which side of the current narrative to believe (or if the truth, as so often happens, lies in the middle)?

The left claims everything is disinfo. lol They did it with the DNC leaks. They did it with Hunter's laptop. Anything that shows that they are lying POS is accused of being 'disinfo.'

Project Varitas gets them in an uncut clip of saying something and somehow it's "edited." Their politicians and media are liars and their base is dumb and brainwashed AF.

 

[WTF Cat]

 

[Girthang]

Sht, Ukraine was bankrupt before we started sending them money and weapons. Can't be 100% of nothing.

No worries though, because once congress and the white house get their kickbacks and "rebuilding" money they'll be bankrupt and the meme will be right again, 100% of nothing is still nothing.

Meme sums up the interest and actions of "the party" very well though

 

[Dionysus444]

Innocent people don’t overrun police then enter a building by busting out windows and forcing open doors. Then they don’t break out windows to enter rooms that are clearly barricaded to keep them out. AB reached the same fate she would have reached had she tried to enter my home in the same fashion and there isn’t a court in any state that would consider it murder. So funny that conservatives want stand-your-ground laws passed everywhere but are butt-hurt over a stupid bitch that got exactly what she deserved.

You’re right it was a legal shoot. That still doesn’t make it the right thing to do. She was a hog gone wild, breaking windows and climbing through them. But she wasn’t an imminent threat to someone’s life. Police brutality and excessive force must be consistently condemned and reformed, regardless of how one feels about the victim. I mean they see every black person as worse than Ashli inherently.

 

[AustinTXCat]

it is never as simple as cut spending. You have over a trillion dollars to make up just to break even. To tackle debt you have to have a surplus so you can pay down. right now that would mean like a 2 trillion cut to spending. That would be millions of jobs lost, states going bankrupt, seniors going bankrupt, and a massive stock market crash. Austerity can be much much worse than the debt your are trying to fight, ask Europe. A much healthier solution is freezing spending, growing the economy, increasing the revenue base, and gradually applying that to debt. But that takes 20 years of forward thinking and planning, something republicans are 1000% incapable of doing. A few Dems talk about doing stuff like that but i doubt any follow through.

 

[UKBrassowTipIN]

 

[Dionysus444]

For a so-called student of history, you can be somewhat obtuse, at times. Either that or you are blinded by your own brand of partisan hate.

Even though he did not "gavel" himself into office, a case could be made that his subsequent attempt at ascendancy using the courts inspired every future "loser" of an election (including Trump) to try alternate means of gaining/retaining office.

Before my time, but a little bit of reading suggests a widely held belief that the unions may have illegally aided JFK's election in 1960. Reportedly, Nixon was encouraged to challenge the result but chose not to for "the good of the Union."

Though a megalomaniac in his own right, Nixon's megalomania pales in comparison to the last three administrations.

I have little use for Trump, but in possibly the lowest hurdle invented by man, I find him superior to Biden and the all-star cast of clowns, he calls a cabinet.

The only thing you said here is that since Gore challenged election errors it “inspired” Trump to try remain in office after losing the election? That’s a pretty flimsy premise. Especially since they both played out in entirely different ways, Gore literally had the position to do what Trump tried to and of course accepted the results of the process and didn’t do it. Trump meanwhile publicly sowed doubt in the process from before he was even elected, then used every opportunity he had to try to overturn the election and remain in power, up to and including siccing an angry mod on the Capitol and Congress themselves. The South sent fake electors in 1876 just like Trump, but Gore is his inspiration? Puhlease.

 

[Dionysus444]

To where would you have liked the people in the Speaker’s chamber to have retreated? They were literally backed into a corner with no other way out. Babbit comes through and say they arrest her…how many more come through that window and what is your expectation of their intentions? They have forced their way through multiple barriers, they are going to reach their objective and make nice? I don’t even think you’re that stupid but maybe you are.
Hypocritical? Y’all were calling for police to shoot protesters who were stopping traffic. Thanks for admitting that you’re a hypocrite.

They are obvious and blatant hypocrites. We need to be better than them.

 

[Sawnee Cat]

It’s not going to stop until women say no. Until they all stand up and refuse to play; until seasons and tournaments are canceled because no one will play, nothing will change.

You nailed it. This is a women's issue and they better step up or kiss their athletics good-bye.

 

[BC_Wader]

I know it's not the right thing to do, but that man needs his ass kicked.

 

[AustinTXCat]

From Pence's aide that worked with him for years, headed up his coronavirus team, and his homeland security advisor.

"We knew that there were going to be increasing cases, we knew that people were going to die," said Troye, who left the White House in late July. "But the President didn't want to hear that, because his biggest concern was that we were in an election year, and how was this going to affect what he considered to be his record of success?" At one coronavirus task force meeting, Troye claimed that Trump suggested "maybe this Covid thing is a good thing."

Speaking of DHS....

 

[JumperJack]

I know it's not the right thing to do, but that man needs his ass kicked.

When we were a sane country this would have been an SNL skit. Once comical, now horrific.

 

[JumperJack]

Nobody here has defended pedophiles or grooming children.

Everything you defend would be grooming if it were done by any adult in nearly any context.

Again, your party has maneuvered you into the disgraceful position of defending grown men who groom children.

 

[BC_Wader]

When we were a sane country this would have been an SNL skit. Once comical, now horrific.

Yeah we won't be seeing any "It's Pat" skits ever again that's for sure. Looking at it, I can't remember when this started being "accepted". It's like one day all the sudden we were smacked in the face with it and the clown show became the norm. God help us all.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

View embedded media

Even they have to admit trans men are not men. Confused Dems:

Hillary Clinton's all-female alma mater debate admission for trans men

Students at an all-female college attended by Nora Ephron and Hillary Clinton will vote on whether it can admit trans male students who were born female in a tense referendum on Tuesday.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Sawnee Cat]

Yeah we won't be seeing any "It's Pat" skits ever again that's for sure. Looking at it, I can't remember when this started being "accepted". It's like one day all the sudden we were smacked in the face with it and the clown show became the norm. God help us all.

And if you speak out against it you are the freak and you are the hate monger. You are the racist. The fact states have to pass laws to keep this out of schools is a poor reflection on our society. Why would this even be necessary if not for the deterioration of our socity.

The problem with Americans is very few pay attention to current events. If the beer is cold and the picture on the 70" TV is clear then all is well. But liberals don't play that way. They take an inch at a time and before you know it they have the whole mile. And now freak shows are the norm and in mainstream.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

The difference between the BLM riots and J6 is BLM riots/rioters targeted property, not people.

^^ no one is this ignorant, so I conclude you are just a liar.

 

[BC_Wader]

The problem with Americans is very few pay attention to current events. If the beer is cold and the picture on the 70" TV is clear then all is well. But liberals don't play that way. They take an inch at a time and before you know it they have the whole mile. And now freak shows are the norm and in mainstream.

BINGO!