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  • YES - Qualified

    Votes: 41 82.0%
  • NO - Disqualified

    Votes: 9 18.0%

  • Total voters
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General Sir Richard Barrons, who formerly served as the Joint Forces chief, said spending cuts have so weakened the British military that the UK would run out of ammunition and artillery shells within a single day of hot war with Russia. According to The Sun, the UK would need a year to produce the amount of shells that Ukrainians currently use in the conflict.
 
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Our airspace doesn't apply to orbits. You should know that. Low level craft, like that balloon violate our sovereign airspace at that altitude. I'd be mad if Biden, Trump or Reagan allowed this.

This is about the security of our country, not politics. Im hoping you can agree with that.
You do know about the open skies treaty right? We let dozens of countries openly send spy planes into the US for 30 years. In exchange we got to do the same. It was a way to end the chaos of cold war cat and mouse game of building crazier planes to outrun AA missiles. It also let the whole world keep tabs on each others military movement so there was never surprises that could lead to stupid reactions. It's not about the balloon. It's about the chaos the balloon created beause some idiots freaked the **** out over totally normal shit. China has low orbit spy satelites. There is nothing they can't already see better than with those. All the relevant militaries knew about the Ballon a week ago and didn't give a shit about it because it wasn't a big deal. Then it went ****ing crazy on social media and forced them to pretend to care. Multiple former trump administrators are on record that they tracked balloons as well and it just never was a big deal. We like super high altitude super sonic spy jets, China likes balloons.
 
Are the maga morons happy now? it lost altitude as it went over the carolinas and was shot down soon as it went over water. You can now stop fearing the Balloon armagedon!
Yes, finally. Thanks.

What took dat SOB so long? Whose side is he on?

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/Best Sheriff J.W. Pepper Voice from Live and Let Die:
 
Do you idiots not understand what a weather balloon is? It operates at 80-120,000 feet. F22's top ceiling is 50,000 ft. One like this willl be 300-500 ft in diameter with a solar array and instrument panel hanging from it. You cannot directly control its flight path. You have a valve that releases helium to change its altitude and insert it into different wind streams to try and kind of direct its path if the wind cooperates. Normally a weather ballon will hit its top ceiling and then a zipper on the balloon releases and the balloon very slowly falls to earth. you cannot hit it with the 20mm cannons and you don't waste a million dollar missile on a worthless balloon. The AMRAAM-ER technical max ceiling is 80,000 feet, you certainly don't want to fire one at a weather balloon and let china see what it is actaully capable of. You send a U2 to monitor its communications, if it has any, and learn capabilites.
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Technically speaking both sides of the aisle are charitable which makes sense because the U.S. is one of the most charitable countries on the planet.

R's are slightly more charitable with 72% of them donating to 68% for D's. My guess would be because R's are more religious.

Just because D's are an opposing party doesn't mean they're not charitable.

Remember, it's not good to make blanket statements about a group of people just because those at the top are sketchy.

I know people of both ideologies who've donated or served their communities. One can care for others regardless of party.

Those who cannot are just sad individuals.

I say this as someone whose family is a mix of both. Mom and brother D's, late pops R. Shoot I live in a sea of blue, volunteer at a church and politics never comes up. We're there to serve.

If I let the fact that most of those volunteers are likely left leaning and chose to not volunteer there because of that then it would not be a good look especially in a church of all places.

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Not all Democrats are Marxist just like not all Republicans are fascist. Those that have that belief are a lost cause.

Remember, it should be country/community first, party second. Those that value their party over everything else are again a lost cause.

With that being said, it's time to crash. Gotta get up early.
Technically speaking, false.

And, no one said anything about Democrats. It’s good to read what someone actually writes before giving them a lecture.

And, most fascists are Democrats.
 
This is the result of a society that allows "white priviledge" and hate of whites in the classrooms from K to grad school. When people are pumped full of this some of them go off of the deep end. DEI and CRT are the main culprits and tools being used against the white race. It should be banned as it was in Florida. Pure hate,

Nazis used this against the Jews by teaching they were subhuman and to be despised. We all know what happened. And the hate continued after the war. I met a German immigrant when I was in college and she thought the Jews were a subhuman race and were useless to mankind. And Hitler had been dead for 20 years.

Now we see the same propaganda being used against whites. We have examples of it every day on this forum. When this is planted in someone's heart is it easier to eliminate those they hate and not feel shame or guilt. That is what this person was doing, He hated whites because he was taught to hate whites. So why not kill one.
 
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Technically speaking both sides of the aisle are charitable which makes sense because the U.S. is one of the most charitable countries on the planet.

R's are slightly more charitable with 72% of them donating to 68% for D's. My guess would be because R's are more religious.

Just because D's are an opposing party doesn't mean they're not charitable.

Remember, it's not good to make blanket statements about a group of people just because those at the top are sketchy.

I know people of both ideologies who've donated or served their communities. One can care for others regardless of party.

Those who cannot are just sad individuals.

I say this as someone whose family is a mix of both. Mom and brother D's, late pops R. Shoot I live in a sea of blue, volunteer at a church and politics never comes up. We're there to serve.

If I let the fact that most of those volunteers are likely left leaning and chose to not volunteer there because of that then it would not be a good look especially in a church of all places.

Added:

Not all Democrats are Marxist just like not all Republicans are fascist. Those that have that belief are a lost cause.

Remember, it should be country/community first, party second. Those that value their party over everything else are again a lost cause.

With that being said, it's time to crash. Gotta get up early.
Not to say that some D's aren't Christian either. Many are, they are just misinformed or duped by the left. When they really wake up (not Woke) some switch parties.
 
Technically speaking, false.

And, no one said anything about Democrats. It’s good to read what someone actually writes before giving them a lecture.

And, most fascists are Democrats.
Understandable, you said Marxists. The problem I've seen though are people, including some in the media, using that word to describe all democrats. When again some are not all.

That's all I was pointing out.

As for fascism one has to be careful as that is popping up all over the world. An example being the Fear of Difference.

You see some democrats putting all Republicans in the same basket as those most radical on the right. See Biden's speech in front of those red lights.

You also see it from the right with the rhetoric on immigrants, Muslims, the poor (food stamps, entitlements, etc), LGBT, etc.

The problem about this is none of these positions do anything to help the American people. They only stoke fear.

You have people in D.C. making hundreds of thousands a year to spout rhetoric that does nothing to help Americans.
 
He's a genius you guys...there will be 200 plus articles and cable news segments this week saying so...

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Such bs. They were going to hide it and let it fly over and keep it a secret. Pentagon got pissed we even saw it and told the public we’re not going to tell you shit just look up in the sky. So the CCP just 3 years ago released a bioweapon on us along with our elites and said just take the exp shot, safe and effective. Just call the police on to your neighbor. Just mask your kids 24/7. Now a mysterious Chinese balloon flying over and same people letting it happen and saying everything’s ok don’t worry about.

Fckng insanity.

Wasn’t until the American people (including even the left but not nearly enough of them) through a fit and put pressure on them. We’ve got a lot of bad actors in DC but ultimately they answer to us. As long as they keep us fighting over race, cutting kids penises off, twerking on Tiktoc and other wokeness then they’ll keep getting away ushering in a country that looks more like China than the US.
 
Gov revenue increases after taxes are lowered. Left-leaning economists do not like that truth, but when people have more money, they spend it, save it, or give it away*. All 3 help the economy and create further revenue, which is taxed again. Lowering taxes provides incentive to invest or grow income as well. Then gov revenues go up, every time serious tax reduction is tried.

Let me know if you agree with this: it isn't JUST "bigger checks". It is keeping my money ... what I earned through my hard work, patience and perseverance.

* when people are more generous, the NEED for social programs go down. Politicians from the Uniparty do not like that, because they're addicted to OPM.

The last point ... I will agree with part of that completely. (ha) I think most Americans make shi!tty decisions with their money BUUUTTT they make better decisions for themselves than greedy Pols will make for them. If you're talking about people and their decisions vs SS, then yes I agree. Just look at Galveston.

Later, gotta run.

EDIT: I forgot ... businesses do not pay "corporate income taxes". Customers of business pay income taxes. So whoever buys something from a business is the one actually paying the corporate income tax. It is a shame how bad our economic education is today.
Hey, when it comes to social security I think most would be better off with it but that's based on age, i.e. too old to take advantage of compound interest and 2. People aren't great with money.

However, I'd be in favor of an opt out which can be used by those who are good with their money. I'd definitely opt out.

For example, at 20 if you chose to opt out, you, in theory, would be getting at least 7.5% more in your paycheck. 15% if the employer also gives ya 7.5%.

Say you're making 40k, an extra 7.5% is 3k more a year or $600,000 over 40 years assuming 7% returns. $1,200,000 if the employer matched the 7.5% as they are currently required under the payroll tax.

We can see this person being way better off not collecting social security.


On the flipside, take a someone retiring in 20 years, making 80k a year.

This person is projected to get around $2,000 a month in today's dollars or $4,000 in future dollars (inflation)

If they opted out, they'd get an extra $6,000 to $12,000 a year to invest. Invested over 20 years ay 7% they'd have $246,000 to $492,000 at retirement.

In this scenario it's not as clear on what to do. You either have $48k a year in future dollars or $492,000 at most from opting out.

Lastly, you have a third scenario which I sadly think would be most common.

People opting out in bunches but not saving a dime. These people at retirement age won't have a retirement or social security, which means work until you die or be homeless. This is something those in charge should be cognizant of.

Im in the line of thinking that we cannot claim to be a Christian nation if we don't help those that fell through the cracks, especially if it's due to the ineptitude of those at the top, those in D.C. Having the elderly work until they die is inhumane.


Added: I looked at the Galveston plan. I need to spend more time reading those papers. It looks like taxes would be higher under that plan and benefits wouldn't increase to match the cost of living. Ofc the first resource to pop up was from 2005. I'll check to see if there have been changes.


Thx for pointing me in that direction. Gonna run some errands, be back later.
 
I agree. Scott needs to take charge and lead the way to cutting entitlements. Old folk are gonna be dead soon anyway, why have social security in the first place. It's a socialist program, gotta cut it along with Medicaid and Medicare.

Lower taxes so the government brings in less revenue. That'll surely help balance the budget!

Let's also cut food stamps. Screw those lazy families who don't want to work and screw their kids as well. Probably lazy like their parents and don't even have jobs already.

Gotta cut free meal programs for k-12 students. 30b a year could provide free lunch for all but that's way too much. Let em starve. We're better off using that money to fund our military!

Tax the rich? Nah, but **** the poor. Let's raise taxes on the lower and middle class while lowering that of the upper class.

Cut the IRS by 50%, again having less revenue come in will surely balance the budget.

Let's no longer raise the debt ceiling, rather, let this nation suffer the consequences and pay of their debts like a responsible person! Then again we can raise the debt ceiling if we're at war!

It's such a great idea to run our country like a business. Scott knows this because he's a a great businessman. Gutting social programs will be easy for him since one of his companies has thorough experience with that especially Medicare and Medicaid. Dumb government was jealous and made him pay $1.7 billion in fines. One of the biggest Healthcare frauds in U.S. history only because of how corrupt this once great nation is!

I've learned so much from the man that rather than increase my pay, I'm just gonna cut my expenses and hope for the best. Sure, I can increase my revenue just like the U.S. could but it makes more sense to just cut expenses and that's why Scott should be in charge. Such a smart man.
Obviously your post was (poorly made) satire, but would you agree or disagree that we as a nation have an overspending problem as opposed to a revenue shortfall problem? We keep kicking the can down the road but eventually tough choices will have to be made - Raise taxes, cut benefits, or a combination of the two. Our current modus operandi is simply not sustainable.
 
You do know about the open skies treaty right? We let dozens of countries openly send spy planes into the US for 30 years. In exchange we got to do the same. It was a way to end the chaos of cold war cat and mouse game of building crazier planes to outrun AA missiles. It also let the whole world keep tabs on each others military movement so there was never surprises that could lead to stupid reactions. It's not about the balloon. It's about the chaos the balloon created beause some idiots freaked the **** out over totally normal shit. China has low orbit spy satelites. There is nothing they can't already see better than with those. All the relevant militaries knew about the Ballon a week ago and didn't give a shit about it because it wasn't a big deal. Then it went ****ing crazy on social media and forced them to pretend to care. Multiple former trump administrators are on record that they tracked balloons as well and it just never was a big deal. We like super high altitude super sonic spy jets, China likes balloons.
Then I'll ask you, what was the purpose of the balloon? Your treaty is moot as China is not a member. Now what do you have to say?
 
Disclaimer: I’ve made two posts signaling my willingness to end the topic to respect the wishes of the thread. And they keep being responded to by others, so obviously more people than just myself are interested in the topic. Refer all future complaints about cake posts to @Caveman Catfan for continuing this.


He’s denying service of a pink cake with blue frosting to someone that he himself states he would sell to someone else. It doesn’t matter that he sells some cakes to trans people. They’re the same as anyone else and have the right to the same cake as anyone else. He isn’t allowed to sell a pink cake with blue frosting to a cishet man, but refuse to sell that same pink cake with blue frosting to a trans person, regardless of what he thinks the cake’s for. That is the heart of the issue.

He’s allowed to refuse service for any reason that isn’t a protected class. But Colorado has more protections under CADA than federally. For instance marital status is also protected. So if a cishet man wants a black cake with white frosting for his divorce Phillips still has to bake that reasonable, inherently inexpressive cake even if divorce was against his religion. Or obviously he’s free to not and close his doors.

You’ve accused me of dodging issues but I’ve addressed every one you can put forth. To the exasperation of the thread even.
The point here is, CADA does not yet matter. You are speaking in certainties which do not yet exist. This issue is above the state level pay grade. SCOTUS will decide, either by hearing or not hearing the case. Then and only then will this issue have a guaranteed place in law.
 
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Told 4 minority women to go back to their country. Yea not racist and xenophobic at all. Of course besides that fact that Trump is to stupid to know that 3 of the 4 were born in the US. So he really just shit on himself since he told them to fix their shithole countries, aka the USA, the country he runs. If you want to pretend he hasn't doubled and tripled on what is very calculated race baiting then thats your prerogative. He heavily miscallculated on this move
The plot thickens....

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If you want proof the Left and their Democrat party are causing problems just look at the chart below. People are not moving to the states because of the weather and they are not leaving their home state because of the weather. We all know why.

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This is the ultimate arbiter of the truth. Unless you can convince yourself that all of those people are racists. I’m sure our resident non-thinkers believe this to be the case.
 
Hey, when it comes to social security I think most would be better off with it but that's based on age, i.e. too old to take advantage of compound interest and 2. People aren't great with money.

However, I'd be in favor of an opt out which can be used by those who are good with their money. I'd definitely opt out.

For example, at 20 if you chose to opt out, you, in theory, would be getting at least 7.5% more in your paycheck. 15% if the employer also gives ya 7.5%.

Say you're making 40k, an extra 7.5% is 3k more a year or $600,000 over 40 years assuming 7% returns. $1,200,000 if the employer matched the 7.5% as they are currently required under the payroll tax.

We can see this person being way better off not collecting social security.


On the flipside, take a someone retiring in 20 years, making 80k a year.

This person is projected to get around $2,000 a month in today's dollars or $4,000 in future dollars (inflation)

If they opted out, they'd get an extra $6,000 to $12,000 a year to invest. Invested over 20 years ay 7% they'd have $246,000 to $492,000 at retirement.

In this scenario it's not as clear on what to do. You either have $48k a year in future dollars or $492,000 at most from opting out.

Lastly, you have a third scenario which I sadly think would be most common.

People opting out in bunches but not saving a dime. These people at retirement age won't have a retirement or social security, which means work until you die or be homeless. This is something those in charge should be cognizant of.

Im in the line of thinking that we cannot claim to be a Christian nation if we don't help those that fell through the cracks, especially if it's due to the ineptitude of those at the top, those in D.C. Having the elderly work until they die is inhumane.


Added: I looked at the Galveston plan. I need to spend more time reading those papers. It looks like taxes would be higher under that plan and benefits wouldn't increase to match the cost of living. Ofc the first resource to pop up was from 2005. I'll check to see if there have been changes.


Thx for pointing me in that direction. Gonna run some errands, be back later.
we have a lot of common ground.

One item to consider ... if someone willingly wastes all of their resources, how does the teaching of Christ compel us to bail them out? The ones that fell through the cracks ... yes. We help them. The ones that dove head first through the cracks? Nope. Refer to Matthew 25:14-28. Pretty clear we have no mandate to care for those people. Also, who said taking care of those who fell through the cracks needs to be done by govt? "We the people" should be doing that. Compulsion should never be confused with compassion.

Also, you said, "Having the elderly work until they die is inhumane." Generally, i agree. But look at someone like @berniecarbo. I think he was Moses' great uncle, but can still outwork 90% of us on here and does most of it because he wants to. I read on here recently that we should be careful when we generalize population groups. I think that is good advice in this case.
 
we have a lot of common ground.

One item to consider ... if someone willingly wastes all of their resources, how does the teaching of Christ compel us to bail them out? The ones that fell through the cracks ... yes. We help them. The ones that dove head first through the cracks? Nope. Refer to Matthew 25:14-28. Pretty clear we have no mandate to care for those people. Also, who said taking care of those who fell through the cracks needs to be done by govt? "We the people" should be doing that. Compulsion should never be confused with compassion.

Also, you said, "Having the elderly work until they die is inhumane." Generally, i agree. But look at someone like @berniecarbo. I think he was Moses' great uncle, but can still outwork 90% of us on here and does most of it because he wants to. I read on here recently that we should be careful when we generalize population groups. I think that is good advice in this case.
Thanks for the compliment, but I've dropped most of my customers and I'm cutting back. No employees and just doing enough to keep the little lady and I working at our own pace. We heat with wood and I cut my own firewood. I'll be 76 soon. My mom's dad was working forty hours a week as a night watchman at 88. It's good for the body and soul to keep busy doing something as long as you are able.
 
You do know about the open skies treaty right? We let dozens of countries openly send spy planes into the US for 30 years. In exchange we got to do the same. It was a way to end the chaos of cold war cat and mouse game of building crazier planes to outrun AA missiles. It also let the whole world keep tabs on each others military movement so there was never surprises that could lead to stupid reactions. It's not about the balloon. It's about the chaos the balloon created beause some idiots freaked the **** out over totally normal shit. China has low orbit spy satelites. There is nothing they can't already see better than with those. All the relevant militaries knew about the Ballon a week ago and didn't give a shit about it because it wasn't a big deal. Then it went ****ing crazy on social media and forced them to pretend to care. Multiple former trump administrators are on record that they tracked balloons as well and it just never was a big deal. We like super high altitude super sonic spy jets, China likes balloons.

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Hey, when it comes to social security I think most would be better off with it but that's based on age, i.e. too old to take advantage of compound interest and 2. People aren't great with money.

However, I'd be in favor of an opt out which can be used by those who are good with their money. I'd definitely opt out.

For example, at 20 if you chose to opt out, you, in theory, would be getting at least 7.5% more in your paycheck. 15% if the employer also gives ya 7.5%.

Say you're making 40k, an extra 7.5% is 3k more a year or $600,000 over 40 years assuming 7% returns. $1,200,000 if the employer matched the 7.5% as they are currently required under the payroll tax.

We can see this person being way better off not collecting social security.


On the flipside, take a someone retiring in 20 years, making 80k a year.

This person is projected to get around $2,000 a month in today's dollars or $4,000 in future dollars (inflation)

If they opted out, they'd get an extra $6,000 to $12,000 a year to invest. Invested over 20 years ay 7% they'd have $246,000 to $492,000 at retirement.

In this scenario it's not as clear on what to do. You either have $48k a year in future dollars or $492,000 at most from opting out.

Lastly, you have a third scenario which I sadly think would be most common.

People opting out in bunches but not saving a dime. These people at retirement age won't have a retirement or social security, which means work until you die or be homeless. This is something those in charge should be cognizant of.

Im in the line of thinking that we cannot claim to be a Christian nation if we don't help those that fell through the cracks, especially if it's due to the ineptitude of those at the top, those in D.C. Having the elderly work until they die is inhumane.


Added: I looked at the Galveston plan. I need to spend more time reading those papers. It looks like taxes would be higher under that plan and benefits wouldn't increase to match the cost of living. Ofc the first resource to pop up was from 2005. I'll check to see if there have been changes.


Thx for pointing me in that direction. Gonna run some errands, be back later.
Think we found another energy vampire.
 
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