Or perhaps until a former president is re-elected given his recent comments on the war.
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Yeah, that's what the media tells you. They tell you want you want to hear.
They love Bandera because he is seen as a freedom fighter against Russia and Poland. That is what they are celebrating. I swear, you'd twist anything.That means nothing/isn't true. Here they are marching in honor of those people today.
15,000 Ukraine nationalists march for divisive Bandera
About 15,000 people marched through Kiev on Wednesday night to honor Stepan Bandera, glorified by some as a leader of Ukraine's liberation movement and dismissed by others as a Nazi collaborator.www.usatoday.com
You don't care what's actually true. Do your own research and prove me wrong.
So, when you post something from "media" it's good but when I post something from "media" it's bad? Is that your sophisticated answer?
What's that got to do with Ukrainian death camps? Ukraine was part of the USSR.Let me google that for you.
Until the fall of the Soviet Union, it was believed that about 900,000 Jews were murdered as part of the Holocaust in Ukraine.
The Holocaust in Ukraine - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
That's not twisting anything.
And I'm not going to redux the war thread with you here. No European nation afflicted with fascism honors their "Bandera."
The cultists here love to conflate the two as if one. It's a big part of their agenda.
They aren't afflicted with fascism. Russia is though. You always run away from the corners you put yourself in. Go on, run away, you're good at it.
History always repeats itself. I guess because there are only so many things people can do to other people. I remember times that were a lot like the times we are having right now. Carter was President. Russia was being a dick. Inflation was high. Gas was high. We had even seen wages and prices frozen by the Feds.National rent control?
What fixed all that and led to a prosperous time for all? Reagen is the obvious answer, but what did he do? Started cutting back on government agencies and their drain on the bank account. Cut spending in other areas and LOWERED TAXES. Yes, the same things that have routinely pulled this country out of a hole the dems dug for all of us.
It's not voodoo economics if it has proved to work time after time. Voodoo economics would be what has led us to where we are now. We cannot fix a border crisis by allowing more people to cross the border. We cannot tax ourselves into prosperity. We need to fight the fire with water for a while until we get it under control. Then we can fight fire with fire again.
Yes they do, before the invasion they stated their goal whether you agree with their reasons or not. It was to “ liberate” the Eastern portion of Ukraine that had separated. They now are in control of those areas.
Russia reiterated that they were going to fight until all of Luhansk and Donbas were in their hands and that’s exactly what they’re doing now.
That's all in your head.
And I was talking about 20th century fascism, both Ukraine and Russia today are completely corrupt autocratic oligarchies.
I don't understand his absolutism. Yes, there a handful of Nazis in Ukraine. There are here too. And more than a handful in Russia. Probably more in the Russia military itself than in the entirety of Ukraine. But somehow Ukraine, and only Ukraine = bad Nazi. And the entirety of Ukraine gets painted with that brush, including the president Zelensky who is Jewish, lost family in the Holocaust, and whose grandfather and great uncles all fought those selfsame Nazis and collaborators in the Red Army.
No.
You are equating the two just to obfuscate. You know it isn't true; they have a significant and consequential neo-Nazi problem.
And all neo-Nazis are bad Nazi, not just Ukrainian.
Just like all Marxists (their collectivist cousins) are bad, not just American.
Anyway, I said I'm not goint to redo the nonsense that was the war thread here, so I won't.
Just like all Marxists (their collectivist cousins) are bad, not just American.
Anyway, I said I'm not goint to redo the nonsense that was the war thread here, so I won't.
They won't taste better, they will be like that awful fake meat vegans are trying to peddle now.
No signatures. No count, but my county (ran almost completely by the GQP) will contact you and attempt to get one. Id's are the law in KY. I always have to show mine when voting in person. Mail-in has voter registration and drivers license data available to county officials already. The assistance in voting itself is likely asking folks in the know what they know about a candidate. For example, I have a friend who knows the candidates in my county better than me. So I ask questions prior to voting. If it's corrupt, prove it! Once a ballot is sealed, we have to trust our postal service I'd say. KY has paper ballots. Tough to blame companies like Dominion here. Perhaps those crying the most are not the best candidate for the majority of people. Yet only Qooks are crying when they lose. Weird huh?
They exist but they have next to no power politically. If the sentiments were widespread in the population they'd have at least a fraction of power in their Parliament but they don't. Surveys have even shown significantly less antisemitic feelings in Ukraine as a whole when compared to other Eastern European countries owing to their long cultural history there.
Every state isnt like that though. We really should have national voting standards including id and very few mail in ballots.
Surveys are easily manipulated. They had 10% of the parliament, as much as 40% of the vote in some oblasks at their peak in 2012.
They are not fringe.
Sure, they don't hold but 2% of parliament now, but that's not because the Nazi-lite sentiment just up and vanished in the air.
Russia has a modern military? That's news to the rest of the world
Life sentence minimum? Or life sentence max? I'm all for the death penalty when people purposefully do things they know may take a life. Not saying you disagree, I just want to stop paying for violent offenders for life.
I don't have a party, I'm simply conservative. I really don't care for our 2 party dance of collusion.
Yep, we kicked you Romney Bush McCain war mongers to the curb. Fret not! The democrats are everything you adore!
I don't have a conservative bone in my body but I don't have one either. Perhaps civil discourse is only possible with people like us these daze. Haha
National elections should have national standards. Motive to cheat will always exist. We must remove the opportunity. It is more important for the people who do vote to have a fair election that demonstrates the will of the people, than it is for each and every individual to vote. If it is important enough to someone, they will find a way to vote.
No dem cares about an individual vote. They care about being able to scan voter rolls after the polls close and fill in some blanks. They care about being able to find a couple boxes of votes in the trunk of a car a week after the polls have closed. This is the reason they want voting to have few if any rules.
California could kick their ass with no outside help.
.... so did a large number of the French, a fair amount of the English, and quite a few here in the USA and South America as well. That has nothing to do with the current level of fascism and intolerance in today's Ukraine, which IS the point being made.
Why are you being thick about this one thing?
Why are we getting involved in Ukraine to an absolutely huge level, when we have abstained from getting involved in so many conflicts like it before? If we can't ask this one question, consider the recent and ongoing history, and follow it through to a logical conclusion, what are we really doing? This is just another Vietnam except we're forcing a global war and damaging all credibility in the process.
Ukraine has been shelling their own people for over 7 years. The people they are bombing want to return to Russian rule. WTF would we want to help stop them? "OH, because an actor, a couple oligarchs, and a bunch of national socialist party loyalists want to kill people and launder money for politicians and munitions manufacturers in the US," DOESN'T sound ethical nor does it sound like our constitutional mandate AT ALL.
All of this hand-wringing about UKRAINE by the LEFT is because of the effed up pull-out of Afghanistan, and the complete snow-job the media has put on most of this country. If the LEFT WASNT SO CATASTROPHICALLY BAD at running ANYTHING that isn't propped up by government over-reach and overspending, they could end it that whole conflict with ONE phone call.
But EVERYONE HERE knows that's not what the left wants, no matter how much they say otherwise.
If they REALLY wanted to end all loss of life in Ukraine, and prevent the spread of this conflict, they'd tell NATO to stop fking around where they've agreed not to fk around. Tell NATO to pull out, tell Ukraine to let those who want to secede secede, and tell Russia that if that doesn't end the conflict that we will start bombing the shite out of them and their troops. It would be over tomorrow.
Can't make and launder money, or keep human trafficking going if they do that, though, so it won't happen. Can't distract from the utter failure of the covic lockdowns and pokes.
Will the mods allow a new pinned thread for BigBlueFanGa so he has a place to post about his war mongering and his thirst for the military industrial complex.
In what war have we fought to win in the last 70 years?
We haven’t, we’ve fought just enough to make a war last to make people rich.
Dude. Please go away. You got the Russian thread shut down and now you singlehandedly are ruining this thread.
Stop posting 20 posts a page about the mf'ing Ukraine. We don't care!
No shit! See my post I JUST made.
And which one did we actually sustainably improve the lives of the people who lived there?
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