ADVERTISEMENT

POLITICAL THREAD

How will they rule ??!

  • YES - Qualified

    Votes: 41 82.0%
  • NO - Disqualified

    Votes: 9 18.0%

  • Total voters
    50
  • Poll closed .
You love talking about black crime but go silent when asked why it exists or how to address it. Stay that way.
What is your solution to black crime. 50 years of set asides and lowering standards haven’t helped.

What do NYC, Chicago, DC, atlanta, San Francisco , houston and Dallas all have in common? Black mayors. How do so many of such oppressed people become the leaders of so many major cities?
 
No, I’m saying the truth even though it isn’t politically convenient. Some of us are more interested in fixing problems than winning elections sorry.
Paying black reparations is the single dumbest idea ever hoisted up from the bowels of destroyed political parties. The person that invented "defund the police" looks up at reparations and goes "boy, that is a dumb idea."

Native Americans have actual treaties that were broken by the US Government. We systematically committed genocide against them with full knowledge of what we were doing. By what twisted standard do black people cut in line ahead of them?

OK, so we're going to pay. Better get out your checkbook. How much aggrievement qualifies for reparations and to who? How much aggrieved blood in your heritage qualifies you for the cash? How about other things that we got wrong historically? How far back do we go, hundreds of years later, to pay people back by taking money from people that didn't have anything to do with it and give it to people that were never actually subjected to whatever you are "reparating?" When do we know it is fixed? For Indians, how could you put a fair price on land that is now more valuable than our treasuries could ever hope to pay. For black people, what price could you possibly put on slavery? Your attempt at "reparations" by sheer financial viability is not possible or it must be hardly a reparation at all.

The solution now and always has been captured perfectly in the opening lines of our Preamble... "a more perfect union"...

Not perfect, more perfect. We give folks the fairest best chance of any country in the world that is more free and fair than any country in all of human history... then we all move forward as best we can. No do-overs.

We are a country of reparations. Our design was to gradually over time create reparations. Every day that we wake up and are lucky enough to have been born here rather than somewhere else then we are receiving our reparations. Go outside and enjoy the bounty to the best of your ability instead of looking for somebody else to do it for you or make up some excuse as to why you can't. We have all already been paid.
 
What is your solution to black crime. 50 years of set asides and lowering standards haven’t helped.

What do NYC, Chicago, DC, atlanta, San Francisco , houston and Dallas all have in common? Black mayors. How do so many of such oppressed people become the leaders of so many major cities?
I posted how. End their illegal businesses, which require illegal security and competition, by legalizing drugs.

Individual successes and failures don’t remark on systemic issues. There have been 44 white presidents out of 45 total. There are still any number of white people living destitute in trailers near my house.
 
Paying black reparations is the single dumbest idea ever hoisted up from the bowels of destroyed political parties. The person that invented "defund the police" looks up at reparations and goes "boy, that is a dumb idea."

Native Americans have actual treaties that were broken by the US Government. We systematically committed genocide against them with full knowledge of what we were doing. By what twisted standard do black people cut in line ahead of them?

OK, so we're going to pay. Better get out your checkbook. How much aggrievement qualifies for reparations and to who? How much aggrieved blood in your heritage qualifies you for the cash? How about other things that we got wrong historically? How far back do we go, hundreds of years later, to pay people back by taking money from people that didn't have anything to do with it and give it to people that were never actually subjected to whatever you are "reparating?" When do we know it is fixed? For Indians, how could you put a fair price on land that is now more valuable than our treasuries could ever hope to pay. For black people, what price could you possibly put on slavery? Your attempt at "reparations" by sheer financial viability is not possible or it must be hardly a reparation at all.

The solution now and always has been captured perfectly in the opening lines of our Preamble... "a more perfect union"...

Not perfect, more perfect. We give folks the fairest best chance of any country in the world that is more free and fair than any country in all of human history... then we all move forward as best we can. No do-overs.

We are a country of reparations. Our design was to gradually over time create reparations. Every day that we wake up and are lucky enough to have been born here rather than somewhere else then we are receiving our reparations. Go outside and enjoy the bounty to the best of your ability instead of looking for somebody else to do it for you or make up some excuse as to why you can't. We have all already been paid.
They were promised 40 acres and a mule. It isn’t pie-in-the-sky idealism to try to live up to the promises we’ve made. You’re trying to argue the American word should be worthless and we should break any promise or treaty we want just for the convenience of those in power. That is disgusting.

And I agree we’ve broken many a pact with the Native Americans. We should honor those too. But we were talking about the black community.

You are the worst of each side’s accusations against the other. More concerned with power than justice.

Edit to add an on the nose MLK quote:
"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."
 
Last edited:
I posted how. End their illegal businesses, which require illegal security and competition, by legalizing drugs.

Individual successes and failures don’t remark on systemic issues. There have been 44 white presidents out of 45 total. There are still any number of white people living destitute in trailers near my house.
Legalizing drugs is a key component but it is not a magic bullet for black communities. I waded out of one of the poorest counties in the United States and I know most didn't. The difference was what was in me, not by what somebody else gave me. I was hardened by the challenge. I tried harder when somebody said or suggested I wasn't good enough. Also, my marriage is bi-racial and I've lived through the snippy comments and I made things harder with my decision but I accepted that instead of trying to bash my head against the wall feeling sorry for the ugliness that decision revealed about people around me even in my own family.

The difference has always been that I understood my life was up to me. You have advantages and disadvantages and if you decide right off the bat the game is rigged so you don't even try then that's on you.

ANYONE that gets out there and gets after it can make it. That's the only promise this country gives and frankly that's all it should give. No guarantee, a "maybe" that depends on you.
 
Legalizing drugs is a key component but it is not a magic bullet for black communities. I waded out of one of the poorest counties in the United States and I know most didn't. The difference was what was in me, not by what somebody else gave me. I was hardened by the challenge. I tried harder when somebody said or suggested I wasn't good enough. Also, my marriage is bi-racial and I've lived through the snippy comments and I made things harder with my decision but I accepted that instead of trying to bash my head against the wall feeling sorry for the ugliness that decision revealed about people around me even in my own family.

The difference has always been that I understood my life was up to me. You have advantages and disadvantages and if you decide right off the bat the game is rigged so you don't even try then that's on you.

ANYONE that gets out there and gets after it can make it. That's the only promise this country gives and frankly that's all it should give. No guarantee, a "maybe" that depends on you.
You’re talking here about what it takes to be an economic success. We were talking about murder rate differences between the black and white communities. Poor white communities don’t have the same issues as poor black ones. It isn’t a universal race-blind issue. Your post and anecdotal experience is irrelevant.
 
I asked about your worldview, not mine. Answer the question.
In all seriousness. Sort of. Every single race has been enslaved at some point. Oppressed at some point. Many way worse than what happened here. Those other oppressed aren't murdering each other like this. Literally every race has had some shit history from being the oppressor to being oppressed. The world is nasty.

Yet only one race that has been conditioned to vote at a 90% clip has been conditioned to keep their population under check by a system of controls all set by one party told to vote for that party. And been conditioned to blame the other ideals for their conditions. A race used entirely for political purposes by one party for 2 centuries and always blaming the other party.

You know this. Yes white ppl have done this. Yes they have allowed themselves to be manipulated. Yes they kill themselves at alarming rates. All in cities controlled by one party for decades.

There is one common denominator in all if this. It's not race. It's politics. It's liberalism. You own this. Not us.
 
They were promised 40 acres and a mule. It isn’t pie-in-the-sky idealism to try to live up to the promises we’ve made. You’re trying to argue the American word should be worthless and we should break any promise or treaty we want just for the convenience of those in power. That is disgusting.

And I agree we’ve broken many a pact with the Native Americans. We should honor those too. But we were talking about the black community.

You are the worst of each side’s accusations against the other. More concerned with power than justice.

Edit to add an on the nose MLK quote:
"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."
You're an idealist that has never had to live under the consequences of your naivety. You think we're just a few scribbled checks and free drugs away from everyone getting along.

You defy human nature and fail to understand what comes around goes around. That people will treat each other well and no longer discriminate or hate if we just pretend them away or pay them enough money that we take from someone else we think should give it to them.

All you're doing is lighting the fuse for worse. You can't bottle that stuff up. If history teaches us anything it is that oppression of free people is never the answer and that's what you and the wokists do not get. Allow Kyrie and Kanye to post and say what they will. Then discuss it in a free market of ideas. Tell them what you found offensive. Listen to what their reasoning was. Agreement is not a requirement but perhaps understanding instead. Free open discussion without destroying people is the at times painful answer, not naive platitudes and thinking shutting people up makes the problems go away.
 
You're an idealist that has never had to live under the consequences of your naivety. You think we're just a few scribbled checks and free drugs away from everyone getting along.

You defy human nature and fail to understand what comes around goes around. That people will treat each other well and no longer discriminate or hate if we just pretend them away or pay them enough money that we take from someone else we think should give it to them.

All you're doing is lighting the fuse for worse. You can't bottle that stuff up. If history teaches us anything it is that oppression of free people is never the answer and that's what you and the wokists do not get. Allow Kyrie and Kanye to post and say what they will. Then discuss it in a free market of ideas. Tell them what you found offensive. Listen to what their reasoning was. Agreement is not a requirement but perhaps understanding instead. Free open discussion without destroying people is the at times painful answer, not naive platitudes and thinking shutting people up makes the problems go away.
You’re conflating a multitude of different issues in this post. Kanye and Kyrie are not shooting a rival in their neighborhood. Violence in predominantly black areas existed long before whatever “wokeisms” you’re trying to blame. And if you can point me to a single decade of American history where this supposed “free market of ideas” actually existed I’d appreciate it. I’m not the one who’s being an idealist here.
 
You’re talking here about what it takes to be an economic success. We were talking about murder rate differences between the black and white communities. Poor white communities don’t have the same issues as poor black ones. It isn’t a universal race-blind issue. Your post and anecdotal experience is irrelevant.
I disagree. I posted earlier what I thought we should do legally and politically, but there also must be a cultural wide acceptance of personal responsibility over victimhood and that's what I was talking about in that post. Don't accept your circumstances and don't believe the game is so rigged you never have a chance so why try.

I know directly so many otherwise great people that just for whatever reason did not try. Wasted their life with no attempt at sustained work. They couldn't make that scary leap to being personally responsible for their well-being. They found out they could live miserably off free handouts and so they built up a list of imaginary grievances to themselves to explain away "why" and then they settled in and never recovered. They are there still. Those that are still alive.
 
4
Enter his gates with thanksgiving
 and his courts with praise;
 give thanks to him and praise his name.
5
For the Lord is good and his love endures forever;
 his faithfulness continues through all generations.

Psalms 100

Happy Thanksgiving
 
  • Like
Reactions: PhDcat2018
In all seriousness. Sort of. Every single race has been enslaved at some point. Oppressed at some point. Many way worse than what happened here. Those other oppressed aren't murdering each other like this. Literally every race has had some shit history from being the oppressor to being oppressed. The world is nasty.

Yet only one race that has been conditioned to vote at a 90% clip has been conditioned to keep their population under check by a system of controls all set by one party told to vote for that party. And been conditioned to blame the other ideals for their conditions. A race used entirely for political purposes by one party for 2 centuries and always blaming the other party.

You know this. Yes white ppl have done this. Yes they have allowed themselves to be manipulated. Yes they kill themselves at alarming rates. All in cities controlled by one party for decades.

There is one common denominator in all if this. It's not race. It's politics. It's liberalism. You own this. Not us.
Plenty of Americans vote Democrat. They don’t have the same issues with murder rates. Democratic politics is not the common denominator.
 
You’re conflating a multitude of different issues in this post. Kanye and Kyrie are not shooting a rival in their neighborhood. Violence in predominantly black areas existed long before whatever “wokeisms” you’re trying to blame. And if you can point me to a single decade of American history where this supposed “free market of ideas” actually existed I’d appreciate it. I’m not the one who’s being an idealist here.
You're not reading all of what I am posting, obviously. Decriminalizing (to a great extent) drugs is a key component to defeating gang activity in minority communities. Stipulated. We no longer have to address that.

I laid out my idea of the other changes politically that must be made in black communities to address violence and policing, that we must teach everyone what they legally are required to do when confronted by police EVEN IF YOU DID NOT DO ANYTHING WRONG, that nothing is possible until gangs are brought under control, black communities are patrolled by people from those communities, we stop over-policing black communities, and we demilitarize our police force and give the community the level of policing the community will support.

The final component is where wokeism comes in. That we need to instead promote talking about what and why we hate, not bludgeon it into silence like you are so fond of promoting as you seemingly are in love with oppressing free speech. You fail to understand you're lighting a fuse when you shut people up, not fixing the problem.

The time in history is *now* because our opportunity is unique in human history with the internet and social media.
 
I disagree. I posted earlier what I thought we should do legally and politically, but there also must be a cultural wide acceptance of personal responsibility over victimhood and that's what I was talking about in that post. Don't accept your circumstances and don't believe the game is so rigged you never have a chance so why try.

I know directly so many otherwise great people that just for whatever reason did not try. Wasted their life with no attempt at sustained work. They couldn't make that scary leap to being personally responsible for their well-being. They found out they could live miserably off free handouts and so they built up a list of imaginary grievances to themselves to explain away "why" and then they settled in and never recovered. They are there still. Those that are still alive.
I understand you want to attribute your success entirely to yourself and your actions. It’s empowering. And false. You won’t acknowledge that it required a healthy amount of luck and circumstance as well as your hard work and dedication to arrive at your position. Many poor people, of all races, work extremely hard and never get ahead. Just because you did and beat the odds doesn’t mean that’s the standard. You’re the exception, not the rule. And it isn’t because you’re that much more of a hard worker than everybody else.
 
You're not reading all of what I am posting, obviously. Decriminalizing (to a great extent) drugs is a key component to defeating gang activity in minority communities. Stipulated. We no longer have to address that.

I laid out my idea of the other changes politically that must be made in black communities to address violence and policing, that we must teach everyone what they legally are required to do when confronted by police EVEN IF YOU DID NOT DO ANYTHING WRONG, that nothing is possible until gangs are brought under control, black communities are patrolled by people from those communities, we stop over-policing black communities, and we demilitarize our police force and give the community the level of policing the community will support.

The final component is where wokeism comes in. That we need to instead promote talking about what and why we hate, not bludgeon it into silence like you are so fond of promoting as you seemingly are in love with oppressing free speech. You fail to understand you're lighting a fuse when you shut people up, not fixing the problem.

The time in history is *now* because our opportunity is unique in human history with the internet and social media.
I know you don’t know me as a poster since you’re a drop in. But I have never once advocated for censorship. I’m old enough to remember when the left were the ones being censored. But public speech is a complicated issue. I don’t have the answer. But Kyrie and Kanye suffering consequences for antisemitic comments isn’t censorship. They’re free to say whatever they want. And they invite the consequences of said speech. They haven’t been arrested or prosecuted. That is all our right to free speech entails. I too would prefer the open and honest community conversation in the free marketplace of ideas you’re outlining. But how do we accomplish such? When have we ever had it?
 
We were talking about murder rate differences between the black and white communities. Poor white communities don’t have the same issues as poor black ones.
First of all there is a significant correlation between poverty rate and violent crime. That is well-established.

Secondly, where violent black crime occurs and where violent white crime occurs are dramatically different. Violent black crime occurs in our largest and most densely populated arears which also happens to be our largest media markets as well so it is very well reported on and covered, while violent white crime is more rural, remote, less covered by the daily media, and less likely if for no other reason than population density.

Recently, or relatively recently with the opioid epidemic you've seen those lines blur. If you introduce a widely desired illegal substance into a poor community that cannot afford it then crime and especially violent crime will certainly follow regardless of race as desperate people vie to sell and buy it, certainly.
 
First of all there is a significant correlation between poverty rate and violent crime. That is well-established.

Secondly, where violent black crime occurs and where violent white crime occurs are dramatically different. Violent black crime occurs in our largest and most densely populated arears which also happens to be our largest media markets as well so it is very well reported on and covered, while violent white crime is more rural, remote, less covered by the daily media, and less likely if for no other reason than population density.

Recently, or relatively recently with the opioid epidemic you've seen those lines blur. If you introduce a widely desired illegal substance into a poor community that cannot afford it then crime and especially violent crime will certainly follow regardless of race as desperate people vie to sell and buy it, certainly.
The statistics are what they are. It isn’t just media coverage. Like a typical lib you want to address thoughts and feelings rather than material conditions.
 
  • Haha
Reactions: LOL_Man
I disagree. I posted earlier what I thought we should do legally and politically, but there also must be a cultural wide acceptance of personal responsibility over victimhood and that's what I was talking about in that post. Don't accept your circumstances and don't believe the game is so rigged you never have a chance so why try.

I know directly so many otherwise great people that just for whatever reason did not try. Wasted their life with no attempt at sustained work. They couldn't make that scary leap to being personally responsible for their well-being. They found out they could live miserably off free handouts and so they built up a list of imaginary grievances to themselves to explain away "why" and then they settled in and never recovered. They are there still. Those that are still alive.
I don't have time to get in a long political discussion, but I want to give you credit for a good post. I do agree with a freedom to express ideas and personal responsibilities. I grew up in a rural area where most people were pretty much like me. Joining the military was a cultural shock to me. I got to travel much of the world. It gives one the opportunity to learn about other people and how to get along with them. We have to freely express our ideas to get to know each other.
 
  • Like
Reactions: rupp876 and LOL_Man
Who let this assow back in on Thanksgiving?
Hey Toothless:

Image
 
ADVERTISEMENT
ADVERTISEMENT