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@Dionysus444



Trump promoting violence to combat CRT.

Crazy how the right are so against teaching CRT when it's mainly taught in places of higher learning and not as much in primary and secondary institutions.

Also funny how the right wants to ban CRT and other anti-racism lessons.

I could see it being a no no to teach any of the topics below should the right get their way. Oddly enough, most of these topics weren't even taught in primary or secondary school 20 years ago. The ones that were, 3/5 compromise and slavery were only briefly discussed.

Black people were 3/5s a person
Slavery
Segregation Era
Red lining
Tulsa Massacre 1921
East St Louis Riots 1917
Red Summer 2019
Baptist Street Church Bombing - Birmingham 1963

There are countless more events that people of color had to endure against racism amd in their fight for rights and even then they still face a different USA than what white America takes for granted.

All history should be taught, the good and bad, it's a teacher's job to do this. They just need to do it from a neutral position.
You don't even know why the 3/5 law was put in place do you? LOL.
 
You don't even know why the 3/5 law was put in place do you? LOL.
Representation/taxation in the soon to be USA.

The South wanted their slave population to be counted while the North thought only free men should be counted because counting slaves would mean the South would be over-represented in the House.

The compromise became 3 free men to 5 slaves, i.e. the 3/5 compromise.
 
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Also funny how the right wants to ban CRT and other anti-racism lessons..... There are countless more events that people of color had to endure against racism amd in their fight for rights and even then they still face a different USA than what white America takes for granted.

All history should be taught, the good and bad, it's a teacher's job to do this. They just need to do it from a neutral position.
This is BS. Go to the DEA's page on anti-racism. The first line on the page is this:
  1. For many educators, teaching through an anti-racist lens means helping students understand racism’s origins and guises, past and present, so they can act to disrupt White supremacy.
Calling someone a white supremacist is pretty much as bad as it gets. If people think you are one you'll lose your job - you'll be an outcast in society. It's awful. But the NEA isn't referring to the lowest of the low like klan members and Jim Crow stuff; they're saying the USA is set up on white supremacy and it must be fundamentally changed. And harping on the word white makes certain people a target. Put this together, students are being taught that at best, America is a terrible place and needs complete changing. And at worst - and more likely - it's all white people's fault.

So teachers - specifically creepy fat slob liberal teachers who are complete weirdos - are creating a bunch of people who think think that white people are the problem. That's not going to help race relations in this country. It's going to lead to violence.

And you hide behind the guise of, "we're teaching facts". Bullshit. I could provide a ton of "facts" to make black people look terrible. Things like the murder rate, the lack of education, the fatherlessness rate, and label it with some shit like "this is because of Black ignorance". Or I could point to historical events like "The French Massacre of 1804" when Dessalines (the black leader of Haiti) killed almost 5,000 white people (pretty much all of them incl. women and children) in Haiti, including even the ones that were supportive of him.

But doing that DOES NOT HELP anyone. It makes people take sides by race. And as we have seen, that always leads to conflict.

And one last note... DEI programs with the language you are pushing have been heavily taught in schools, businesses and governments - really picking up over the last 20 years. Did you know that blacks and whites both felt pretty good about race relations in this country 20 years ago? Look at it now. Tell me what changed.

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Ofcourse it's BS; they're worthless liars, the lot of them.

They redefine what white supremacy is, like they are want to do in everything with their deceptive wordplay.

This person is a white supremacist to them - not the kind of immigrants our treasonous left want. It's not like some of them don't know what they're doing.



Look at it now. Tell me what changed.

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Look at the year things changed.
 
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Ofcourse it's BS; they're worthless liars, the lot of them.

They redefine what white supremacy is, like they are want to do in everything with their deceptive wordplay.

This person is a white supremacist to them - not the kind of immigrants our treasonous left want. It's not like some of them don't know what they're doing.





Look at the year things changed.


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@Dionysus444



Trump promoting violence to combat CRT.

Crazy how the right are so against teaching CRT when it's mainly taught in places of higher learning and not as much in primary and secondary institutions.

Also funny how the right wants to ban CRT and other anti-racism lessons.

I could see it being a no no to teach any of the topics below should the right get their way. Oddly enough, most of these topics weren't even taught in primary or secondary school 20 years ago. The ones that were, 3/5 compromise and slavery were only briefly discussed.

Black people were 3/5s a person
Well, to be factual the constitution says "...whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons."

Doesnt delineate skin hue.

But push your racist fiction.
 
Facepalm ... if you catch it, then you did not have a vaccine ... you had a treatment.

Even Ben Shapiro says something to the effect, first i had vax immunity, then i got natural immunity. Well, if you had vax IMMUNITY, then you would not get NATURAL immunity.

But ... you all see pfizer and fda withheld 1200 deaths between dec 20 and feb 21 because they did not want to damage pfizer stock. Sigh ...
 
Well, to be factual the constitution says "...whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons."

Doesnt delineate skin hue.

But push your racist fiction.

They're just liars projecting their own dishonesty and incompetence onto others.

I was taught everything about US history and the civil rights movement at an age appropriate level. What I was not told about was the evils of communism and why - what this divisive leftist nonsense necessarily leads to.

They didn't whitewash anything except that.
 
Some light at the end of the tunnel: evidently the CCP is pulling back on support for Russia as they are concerned about the potential economic fallout if they (CCP) are seen as too "pro-Russia".

China can't exist without its export business... so worldwide sanctions would DESTROY their economy.

Hopefully the Russians get the same message and wise up.
 
I was talking to a family member who is a super lefty- art school, pro mask, all that shit. Outside of this stuff, he's a decent guy. He's just so infused with absolute bullshit which I think a ton if tied to his wife.

Some gems this weekend
- implication that people not wearing masks are entitled and how making you mask up is not violating your rights because it isn't in the bill of rights. Here I thought entitled was the one demanding someone muzzle themselves with a useless piece of cloth to appease your neurosis.

-We talked about how ridiculous it was to ban everything Russia as it does nothing to the government, just hurts their citizens who likely do not even agree with their government, and how people really do not crave a brand's opinion on issues. I mention how it wouldn't be acceptable to treat Muslims in such a way due to 9/11. He mentions Japanese entrapment camps and this doozy.

"People are assaulting the Chinese because of Covid."

I reply, "Well...one demographic is doing this (and I didn't even mention the ridiculous notion that it's because of "covid")

The response "It makes sense because they're the ones most affected by it (covid)."

Sigh...

Also, "Obama's spending wasn't much of his fault because of Bush" (This was in regard to me mentioning spending going off the rails under Bush and Obama...but a leftit cannot criticize anything left).

Like talking to zombies.
You cannot have a rational conversation with stupid people. Its a waste of time... best to just move on to more intelligent life forms lol.
 
Well, to be factual the constitution says "...whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons."

Doesnt delineate skin hue.

But push your racist fiction.
Really? You're going there?

"whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons."

That's saying if you're not free you're 3/5s of a free person.

Whole number of free persons equals 1

Three fifths of all other persons means those who aren't free nor are Indians.

Who in the country were not free?

Slaves

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Plus in my original post I listed much more than just the 3/5s compromise but you happen to just block that out.

Nothing in the original post was "racist fiction" it was a list of things that affected people in our country and my point was all history should be taught, the good and bad. I don't see how that's racist.

I mean just how you interpreted what's in the constitution is a sign it should be taught.

Based on how you interpreted what's in the constitution you really have your head in the sand. You'll probably respond saying "but it still doesn't mention skin hue, just those who aren't free, it could be anyone!"
 
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Well, to be factual the constitution says "...whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons."

Doesnt delineate skin hue.

But push your racist fiction.
Also he tried to spin it as a negative in his first post but its clear that it was an anti slavery piece of legislation. The dishonesty is strong in that one.
 
Really? You're going there?

"whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons."

That's saying if you're not free you're 3/5s of a free person.

Whole number of free persons equals 1

Three fifths of all other persons means those who aren't free nor are Indians.

Who in the country were not free?

Slaves

Edit

Plus in my original post I listed much more than just the 3/5s compromise but you happen to just block that out.

Nothing in the original post was "racist fiction" it was a list of things that affected people in our country and my point was all history should be taught, the good and bad. I don't see how that's racist.

I mean just how you interpreted what's in the constitution is a sign it should be taught.

Based on how you interpreted what's in the constitution you really have your head in the sand. You'll probably respond saying "but it still doesn't mention skin hue, just those who aren't free, it could be anyone!"
So Indians counted as zero persons?

Con actually says more fully, "Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.”

Net, all the slaves were fully counted as persons, but Representatives were apportioned for 3/5's of that whole number of people. That's not saying they weren't full people anymore than it says Indians weren't full people.
 
Really? You're going there?

"whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons."

That's saying if you're not free you're 3/5s of a free person.

Whole number of free persons equals 1

Three fifths of all other persons means those who aren't free nor are Indians.

Who in the country were not free?

Slaves

Edit

Plus in my original post I listed much more than just the 3/5s compromise but you happen to just block that out.

Nothing in the original post was "racist fiction" it was a list of things that affected people in our country and my point was all history should be taught, the good and bad. I don't see how that's racist.

I mean just how you interpreted what's in the constitution is a sign it should be taught.

Based on how you interpreted what's in the constitution you really have your head in the sand. You'll probably respond saying "but it still doesn't mention skin hue, just those who aren't free, it could be anyone!"

Nobody has their head in the sand you nincompoop.

People know slavery happened and they universally find it abhorrent.
 
I was talking to a family member who is a super lefty- art school, pro mask, all that shit. Outside of this stuff, he's a decent guy. He's just so infused with absolute bullshit which I think a ton is tied to his wife.

Some gems this weekend
- implication that people not wearing masks are entitled and how making you mask up is not violating your rights because it isn't in the bill of rights. Here I thought entitled was the one demanding someone muzzle themselves with a useless piece of cloth to appease your neurosis.

-We talked about how ridiculous it was to ban everything Russia as it does nothing to the government, just hurts their citizens who likely do not even agree with their government, and how people really do not crave a brand's opinion on issues. I mention how it wouldn't be acceptable to treat Muslims in such a way due to 9/11. He mentions Japanese entrapment camps and this doozy.

"People are assaulting the Chinese because of Covid."

I reply, "Well...one demographic is doing this (and I didn't even mention the ridiculous notion that it's because of "covid")

The response "It makes sense because they're the ones most affected by it (covid)."

Sigh...

Also, "Obama's spending wasn't much of his fault because of Bush" (This was in regard to me mentioning spending going off the rails under Bush and Obama...but a leftit cannot criticize anything left).

Like talking to zombies.

Oh, this wasn't this weekend but same guy was telling me about his wife's friend's mother having to be taken to the hospital cause of Covid. Everyone in that woman's household was vaxxed and still got it but it was just colds but not the woman. Me knowing that this woman was severely obese, I asked if she had any type of medical issues and he replied "No." Yeah, I'm sure being fat as a couch had no impact.
I would have started drinking every beer in the house if I had to sit thru that JS 🍺
 

WOW...We need more MEN like this in sports. As veteran I must say brought a tear to my eyes. Candy asses like James and Kapernick and 90% of the NFL, NBA and colleges could learn a lot!!!
It’s called having respect and being grateful for being born in the greatest country ever known. We all won the human lottery by being born in this country. It’s sad how many uninformed or pure hateful so many are that have no idea how good they have it by living in this country.
 
Well, to be factual the constitution says "...whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons."

Doesnt delineate skin hue.

But push your racist fiction.
That line points out the opposite, that it was wholly based on race. What’s the difference between “free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years,” and slaves never to be a “free Person”? Indentured servitude versus chattel slavery based on race. Poor white and black people had entirely different legal rights.
 
So Indians counted as zero persons?

Con actually says more fully, "Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.”

Net, all the slaves were fully counted as persons, but Representatives were apportioned for 3/5's of that whole number of people. That's not saying they weren't full people anymore than it says Indians weren't full people.
And for taxation as well as representation as you point out. For legal purposes they’re worth 3/5. It’s codified. You’re trying to play semantics by saying that somehow doesn’t make them less of a person. What, philosophically? Pointless. Legally, it does.
 
Yeah... lefties dont understand that most of us are DONE having conversations/debates with them
So you put us all on ignore and live in the blissful ignorance of an echo chamber. Remind me who the snowflakes afraid of the free marketplace of ideas are again?
 
That line points out the opposite, that it was wholly based on race. What’s the difference between “free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years,” and slaves never to be a “free Person”? Indentured servitude versus chattel slavery based on race. Poor white and black people had entirely different legal rights.

You leftists' ignorance and stupidity is truly off the charts.

It was simply an economic system, not unique to colonial/civil war America, and had nothing to do with race, atleast not at as it was indoctrinated into your brain stem.

Why would the first WASP Americans, fleeing oppression in Europe, enslave themselves? Why would they enslave other whites, which requires conquest, when they could just buy Africans from other Africans?

All people were enslaved at some point or another, and it's not like whites weren't slaves elsewhere after America had its emancipation proclamation.

The actual reality is this, the black American won the lottery. Of the some 10 million slaves that came to the Americas, liek 300k ended up in the United States of America. Their descendants are the wealthiest, most prosperous black people on the planet, an integral and invaluable constituent/contributor to this nation's greatness.
 
You leftists' ignorance and stupidity is truly off the charts.

It was simply an economic system, not unique to colonial/civil war America, and had nothing to do with race, atleast not at as it was indoctrinated into your brain stem.

Why would the first WASP Americans, fleeing oppression in Europe, enslave themselves? Why would they enslave other whites, which requires conquest, when they could just buy Africans from other Africans?

All people were enslaved at some point or another, and it's not like whites weren't slaves elsewhere after America had its emancipation proclamation.

The actual reality is this, the black American won the lottery. Of the some 10 million slaves that came to the Americas, liek 300k ended up in the United States of America. Their descendants are the wealthiest, most prosperous black people on the planet, an integral and invaluable constituent/contributor to this nation's greatness.
And taking this a step further, check out racism and the plight of blacks in Europe (you know, that bastion of liberal enlightenment)... in fact, talk to some blacks who have spent time there... they paint a VERY different picture than what we're led to believe...
 
You leftists' ignorance and stupidity is truly off the charts.

It was simply an economic system, not unique to colonial/civil war America, and had nothing to do with race, atleast not at as it was indoctrinated into your brain stem.

Why would the first WASP Americans, fleeing oppression in Europe, enslave themselves? Why would they enslave other whites, which requires conquest, when they could just buy Africans from other Africans?

All people were enslaved at some point or another, and it's not like whites weren't slaves elsewhere after America had its emancipation proclamation.

The actual reality is this, the black American won the lottery. Of the some 10 million slaves that came to the Americas, liek 300k ended up in the United States of America. Their descendants are the wealthiest, most prosperous black people on the planet, an integral and invaluable constituent/contributor to this nation's greatness.
You’re either ignorant or just straight lying. America specifically developed our hereditary chattel slavery based on race. There have been many legal versions of slavery over the centuries and almost none of them were as brutal, barbarous, and long-lasting as the racial system we came up with.
 
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