POLITICAL THREAD

[LowCountryCat]

it appears it’s less the exception then it was when Columbine happened. Is it out of the realm of thought that there may gone a day where you can no longer refer to it as that? I am just making an observation and formulating an opinion. People being fed up (perceived or real) with the other things you mentioned is how we got Trump, who can probably be considered an anomaly himself, what makes you think other things, such as the mass shootings i am referring to can’t result in exceptional actions being taken by future generations?

The 'exceptional action' which would discourage and eliminate 99% of those kinds of incidents would be teachers arming themselves. Not gonna happen, first because our stupid laws prevent it, and second because we're so infested with leftist activists at the school teacher level that they'd never do it. So get used to it NEVER changing.

That said, I congratulate you at reaching the point that I reached 25 years ago, when I realized that the social justice movement is NOT about solving problems, but about using the cause du jour to tear down social fabric. You seem like you're sincerely wondering why the problems aren't getting solved. Check in with me when your eyes are opened like Neo's in the Matrix.

 

[warrior-cat]

I thought it was boared.

Could be (comma) better ask the Anglish major.

 

[Duke Blu]

People will always remember those incidents? Why?

How are you so UNABLE to think critically?

There is a reason why inner city violence isn't memorable. Do you know what it is?

yes I think I have an idea. Because most of the deaths involve people involved in criminal activity. I’m willing to GUESS that those who were innocent probably represent less than 10% of the murders. There is an old saying in law enforcement circles, I’m not sure what it is exactly but so I am paraphrasing but tell me who your murderer is today and I will tell you who your victim is next week.

 

[AustinTXCat]

Tx house members make 7k a year. What a YUGE hit. Lmao, trumpsters so funny.

 

[Dionysus444]

Has a private citizen ever tried to own nuclear arms, even more specifically under the reasoning of protecting themselves from their own govt? Thus this is a nonsensical slippery slope akin to the ppl that said gay marriage shouldn't be legal bc eventually ppl would marry their dogs.

The point is that arms are regulated. From knife blade length through RPGs all the way up to nukes. Nobody thinks you have a constitutional right to all arms. Not even @LowCountryCat as he stated about nukes. So making an absolutist argument that you have a constitutional right to any particular weapon is nonsense. It's just about where you draw the line, and that line could be anywhere.

 

[vhcat70]

it’s not about what I want but the youth will not stand for it and we will see the fruits of that when they get older.

So you're ceding that the children are in charge & the adults can't do a damn thing about it? It's that attitude that is the problem. Not allowed to discipline the youth. Nope, no way.

 

[LowCountryCat]

The point is that arms are regulated. From knife blade length through RPGs all the way up to nukes. Nobody thinks you have a constitutional right to all arms. Not even @LowCountryCat as he stated about nukes. So making an absolutist argument that you have a constitutional right to any particular weapon is nonsense. It's just about where you draw the line, and that line could be anywhere.

Who made an absolutist argument? You're playing the straw man game again. Don't you ever tire of using logical fallacies? Guess not, LOL

I have a Constitutional right to own and bear contemporary level weapons to protect myself. The SCOTUS said so and you admitted they did. So why are you still flogging this chicken? Hadn't had enough yet?

 

[LowCountryCat]

yes I think I have an idea. Because most of the deaths involve people involved in criminal activity. I’m willing to GUESS that those who were innocent probably represent less than 10% of the murders. There is an old saying in law enforcement circles, I’m not sure what it is exactly but so I am paraphrasing but tell me who your murderer is today and I will tell you who your victim is next week.

No, the answer is because the MEDIA sensationalized those incidents and made sure they were remembered. They don't even COVER Chicago murders which happen daily.

Don't give me that 'innocent' argument baloney. What about the 1 million innocents murdered inside the womb every year? Not a single tear shed for them? Don't tell me you're a hypocrite AND a ghoul.

By the way...

What basis do you have assuming that the murders in Chicago involve mostly criminals? Are you saying that a high percentage of blacks are criminals?

 

[warrior-cat]

Henderson Ky...

Are we thinking real...or hoax?

Racist vandals damage homes and cars in Henderson

They spray painted several racist words and symbols all over the homes and cars.

www.14news.com

More fake racism since the left is having a bad year. Have to keep it going.

 

[Dionysus444]

I'm not going to engage with your ham-fisted attempt to derail serious discussion with wild stabs because you lost the argument. You're fun to bat around because you're stupid, but now you're just beclowning yourself because you actually think you're smart.

You were found wanting because you couldn't even QUOTE the 2nd Amendment properly, let alone discuss it, and now you want to demand that I answer something? You're a joke.

I quoted the 2nd Amendment verbatim in bold. WTF are you talking about?

There's as much of one as there is an unfettered 'right to bear arms'. So do you think the 2nd guarantees you the legal right to a nuke? The 2nd reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Nukes are arms.

 

[warrior-cat]

Will you guys be homeschooling your kids once masks and vaxxs are forced on them? You know it's coming.

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Yes, and so will my neighbors. I have already told my daughter that she would be home schooled if it came to that.

 

[Bill Derington]

So spell it out then. Why do you not have a constitutional right to bear those arms?

You can buy a battleship, a fighter jet, or a tank. I just went to see a privately owned B-29, there's an entire, " Confederate Air Force", of privately owned war planes. Just 2 days ago a privately owned Rocket was launched to Space.
A nuclear weapon is not the same as any of those extreme weapons listed above, the fact you're comparing it to the right to own a firearm shows how weak of a point you're trying to make.

 

[Gassy_Knowls]

You can buy a battleship, a fighter jet, or a tank. I just went to see a privately owned B-29, there's an entire, " Confederate Air Force", of privately owned war planes. Just 2 days ago a privately owned Rocket was launched to Space.
A nuclear weapon is not the same as any of those extreme weapons listed above, the fact you're comparing it to the right to own a firearm shows how weak of a point you're trying to make.

Dion: " come on man, haha, the Constitution won't allow you to own a Death Star"

 

[Dionysus444]

You can buy a battleship, a fighter jet, or a tank. I just went to see a privately owned B-29, there's an entire, " Confederate Air Force", of privately owned war planes. Just 2 days ago a privately owned Rocket was launched to Space.
A nuclear weapon is not the same as any of those extreme weapons listed above, the fact you're comparing it to the right to own a firearm shows how weak of a point you're trying to make.

You can't arm them unless you get a rare permit that you have to go through an insanely rigorous process to acquire. Which is the point I'm making and my personal position on the arms subject. Go for it, buy whatever explosive toy you can afford if that's what blows your skirt up. You just have to jump through a bunch of hoops to demonstrate that you know what you're doing and aren't going to kill yourself or anyone else with them.

 

[Duke Blu]

Don't give me that 'innocent' argument baloney. What about the 1 million innocents murdered inside the womb every year? Not a single tear shed for them? Don't tell me you're a hypocrite AND a ghoul.

I’m not even ready to touch the abortion argument. That is out of my league.

By the way...


What basis do you have assuming that the murders in Chicago involve mostly criminals? Are you saying that a high percentage of blacks are criminals?

My basis is some personal experience that I have, not in Chicago but in a similar city (Newark NJ).

No I am definitely not saying a high percentage of black peoples are criminals. Most black people in those types of cities are law abiding. It is a relatively small group of black people and Hispanics in those communities who are responsible for the majority of the crime. The recidivism rates are significant. Often times, there are specific families who have generations of family members involved in criminal activity.

You ever watch a show called “The Wire”, it’s a great show, very realistic. Very realistic. It takes place in Baltimore, I have a family member who is an officer in that city.

 

[LowCountryCat]

Alright so what's your legal argument for banning nuclear arms? The 2nd Amendment clearly states the right to own arms shall not be infringed.

I quoted the 2nd Amendment verbatim in bold. WTF are you talking about?

LOL

 

[warrior-cat]

So spell it out then. Why do you not have a constitutional right to bear those arms?

Nukes are controlled by world governments who have them and are not for private sale. F15's are controlled by the US government and are not for sale to the general public. Even for aircraft that are obsolete, special permission is needed to purchase them as is special permission to buy heavy weaponry and automatic weapons (very hard to do). Yes, somethings are against the law to purchase. As would be the case with AR15's, shotguns, pistols, rifles, slingshots, pellet guns, bee bee guns, and other "arms" if a law was passed to purchase them. However, I believe to totally take weapons away from the American people, a change to the second amendment would have to go through congress, the White House, and decided upon by the SCOTUS to be lawful.

See how those comma's worked. They included other items on the list with weapons and other branches government with the decision making process.

The same intent as: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


Here endeth the lesson.

You're welcome.

 

[LowCountryCat]

I’m not even ready to touch the abortion argument. That is out of my league.


My basis is some personal experience that I have, not in Chicago but in a similar city (Newark NJ).

No I am definitely not saying a high percentage of black peoples are criminals. Most black people in those types of cities are law abiding. It is a relatively small group of black people and Hispanics in those communities who are responsible for the majority of the crime. The recidivism rates are significant. Often times, there are specific families who have generations of family members involved in criminal activity.

You ever watch a show called “The Wire”, it’s a great show, very realistic. Very realistic. It takes place in Baltimore, I have a family member who is an officer in that city.

Then where did you get your contrast with innocents? You implied that the victims in Chicago were more criminal than the school shootings.

 

[LowCountryCat]

Nukes are controlled by world governments who have them and are not for private sale. F15's are controlled by the US government and are not for sale to the general public. Even for aircraft that are obsolete, special permission is needed to purchase them as is special permission to buy heavy weaponry and automatic weapons (very hard to do). Yes, somethings are against the law to purchase. As would be the case with AR15's, shotguns, pistols, rifles, slingshots, pellet guns, bee bee guns, and other "arms" if a law was passed to purchase them. However, I believe to totally take weapons away from the American people, a change to the second amendment would have to go through congress, the White House, and decided upon by the SCOTUS to be lawful.

See how those comma's worked. They included other items on the list with weapons and other branches government with the decision making process.

The same intent as: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


Here endeth the lesson.

You're welcome.

He's not really trying to learn anything. He got owned and he's just lashing out in frustration like a little bitch.

 

[Dionysus444]

LOL

Are you a moron? That's not a quote, it's a paraphrase. I literally quoted it a few posts before that so paraphrased then. Do you see quotation marks? On the actual quote you do. Geez what an idiotic technicality to get hung up on when you're not even correct about it...

 

[LowCountryCat]

Are you a moron? That's not a quote, it's a paraphrase. I literally quoted it a few posts before that so paraphrased then. Do you see quotation marks? On the actual quote you do. Geez what an idiotic technicality to get hung up on when you're not even correct about it...

Uh, NOOOOOOO, it's NOT a paraphrase, you said "CLEARLY STATES." That means you were representing that as a quote.

Loser.

 

[UKBrassowTipIN]

Posting this again. Remember the "I can't breathe" guy? He died bc of frivolous tobacco laws. Here's the problem with big govt in a nutshell. Lib politician makes law, police enforce law, call police racist for doing what you told them to. Rinse repeat.

 

[Dionysus444]

Nukes are controlled by world governments who have them and are not for private sale. F15's are controlled by the US government and are not for sale to the general public. Even for aircraft that are obsolete, special permission is needed to purchase them as is special permission to buy heavy weaponry and automatic weapons (very hard to do). Yes, somethings are against the law to purchase. As would be the case with AR15's, shotguns, pistols, rifles, slingshots, pellet guns, bee bee guns, and other "arms" if a law was passed to purchase them. However, I believe to totally take weapons away from the American people, a change to the second amendment would have to go through congress, the White House, and decided upon by the SCOTUS to be lawful.

See how those comma's worked. They included other items on the list with weapons and other branches government with the decision making process.

The same intent as: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


Here endeth the lesson.

You're welcome.

What does the 2nd Amendment guarantee then if all those arms are able to be legally banned/regulated?

 

[LowCountryCat]

What do you think the 2nd Amendment guarantees then if all those arms are able to be banned/regulated?

Just stop. You're flailing about madly with nowhere to go. You lost, you demonstrated you know nothing about the 2nd Amendment or guns, and now you're trying to trap people in minutiae. You're wasting everybody's time and creating zero value.

 

[warrior-cat]

He mislead (lied) again:

"State legislators in Texas make $600 per month, or $7,200 per year, plus a per diem of $221 for every day the Legislature is in session (also including any special sessions). That adds up to $38,140 a year for a regular session (140 days)"

 

[Catman100]

Just stop. You're flailing about madly with nowhere to go. You lost, you demonstrated you know nothing about the 2nd Amendment or guns, and now you're trying to trap people in minutiae. You're wasting everybody's time and creating zero value.

As is his usual contribution to the political thread.

 

[Dionysus444]

Uh, NOOOOOOO, it's NOT a paraphrase, you said "CLEARLY STATES." That means you were representing that as a quote.

Loser.

It does clearly state that. Why would I quote something verbatim without using quotes when I just had in the previous post? Y'all bitch about the decay in quality of political discourse, meanwhile this jackass fills up the thread with this garbage.

 

[KingOfBBN]

Twitter verification is so laughable. The most random lefties who you have never heard of will get a blue check (so will bots as court papers show).

Personally, I think Twitter is the absolute worst social media site on the web and left it a couple of years ago.

 

[KingOfBBN]

Probably not hard to convince the Trump true believers here, but my step GD was there.

Was she the “Republican” doctor that asked about misinformation? 😉

 

[UK_fan_41102]

Another day another thing biden has let get hacked

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Biden must have not included it on his list of 16 sectors to not hack.

 

[warrior-cat]

What does the 2nd Amendment guarantee then if all those arms are able to be legally banned/regulated?

Once again you missed the point. It guarantees the people right to bear arms. It is right there for you to read. I simply gave you ownership of the arms you are questioning and the government holds the rights to those specific arms. We have the right to buy arms from private companies or the ones we build/make ourselves. I will even go further, the right to bear arms means to me that if the government decided it wanted to take away my rights (socialist/communist regime) and would use what Biden (implied) the government would use, we have a right to defend ourselves and if we could take some of what they have to use against them then, so be it..

But, most here including me are talking about the basic right to defend ourselves against criminal activity even if it is the government who is attacking. Remember, you have almost 1 1/2 million people in the US military and around 330 million Americans. A big part of the military would split off from an attack on its own soil and join the people as would the machinery they possessed. But, we are talking about a wacked out what if here. The fact that you and the other liberals think it would be ok is pretty telling though.

 

[Bill Derington]

You can't arm them unless you get a rare permit that you have to go through an insanely rigorous process to acquire. Which is the point I'm making and my personal position on the arms subject. Go for it, buy whatever explosive toy you can afford if that's what blows your skirt up. You just have to jump through a bunch of hoops to demonstrate that you know what you're doing and aren't going to kill yourself or anyone else with them.

Thats not the argument, they're actual weapons of war, and private citizens can own them if they can afford them. The price is what limits who can and who can't own higher power weapons.

I'd like to own an old Thompson submachine gun, or an old Govt issue Colt .45, but the cost/need ratio prevents me from justifying getting one.

 

[Duke Blu]

Then where did you get your contrast with innocents? You implied that the victims in Chicago were more criminal than the school shootings.

There is a significant gang problem in Chicago. If you are asking me to state a specific source and statistics right now, I can’t. So, respectfully allow me to rephrase what I said if that is ok. It is my OPINION, that the murders in Chicago each year are predominantly the result of gangs, drugs, territorial disputes or all of the above. I think it’s a very educated opinion. If that’s too vague, I truly understand and am willing to concede because I cannot produce anything at this time to prove it as fact.

 

[Dionysus444]

We have the right to buy arms from private companies or the ones we build/make ourselves.

All arms? Ol' Timmy McVeigh had a constitutional right to his fertilizer truck bomb just like every red-blooded American should?

 

[LowCountryCat]

There is a significant gang problem in Chicago. If you are asking me to state a specific source and statistics right now, I can’t. So, respectfully allow me to rephrase what I said if that is ok. It is my OPINION, that the murders in Chicago each year are predominantly the result of gangs, drugs, territorial disputes or all of the above. I think it’s a very educated opinion. If that’s too vague, I truly understand and am willing to concede because I cannot produce anything at this time to prove it as fact.

So what? That has nothing to do with the 'memorability' of said killings. The media is the controller of the information, and that's the real reason why you remember names like Columbine or Dylan Rooff.

 

[LowCountryCat]

It does clearly state that. Why would I quote something verbatim without using quotes when I just had in the previous post? Y'all bitch about the decay in quality of political discourse, meanwhile this jackass fills up the thread with this garbage.

"own" =/= "keep and bear"

I even bolded and enlarged the word you messed up.

Now you really are beclowning yourself. You can't even READ.

So right after you claimed to be 'paraphrasing,' you then changed your mind and doubled down on the direct quote claim? You really are too much.

And you called ME a moron...LOL

 

[warrior-cat]

All arms? Ol' Timmy McVeigh had a constitutional right to his fertilizer truck bomb just like every red-blooded American should?

Yes. He was wrong in what he did but, should every red blooded American have to suffer because of Ol' Timmy McVeigh?

But you make a strong point for my position. The fact that high explosive material such as that can be made by the common American and the fact that many of America's military including NG and AR would side with the people makes the left very uncomfortable when thinking about destroying the constitution which is why they want to take weapons away from the average Joe.

 

[P19978]

I just looked in the Guinness Book of World Records.

Congrats to Dion!!!!

Under the category of "Stupidity" it shows that on this day July 22, 2021, you set the world record!

 

[Dionysus444]

"own" =/= "keep and bear"

I even bolded and enlarged the word you messed up.

Now you really are beclowning yourself. You can't even READ.

So right after you claimed to be 'paraphrasing,' you then changed your mind and doubled down on the direct quote claim? You really are too much.

And you called ME a moron...LOL

I didn’t change my mind on anything. I did directly quote. In a post before the paraphrase. I even linked the post you numbskull.

 

[mdlUK.1]