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How will they rule ??!

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    Votes: 41 82.0%
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I don't have the answers in terms of how to keep the mass flow of guns out of the hands of the sinister. I don't think anyone here has the answer either from what I have seen. What I will say is that leaving things as they currently are, is clearly not the answer either. I'm afraid that this will all be left to solve itself. But it will eventually solve itself, and folks may not be happy what that looks like.
 
It was a 5-4 decision in 2008. It's currently precedent. I disagree with the ruling. But good to know split Supreme Court decisions are actually settled issues. Weight off my mind to know y'all will never mention abortion again. Or transgender bathrooms. Or "religious freedom".
Non sequitur fail. There is no 'right to an abortion' in the Constitution. Also your whiny voice is noted. And thanks for admitting that your opinion is bogus because the SCOTUS deemed it so. You're dismissed. I assume by your assertion that YOU will never mention the 2A again, right?
 
It was a 5-4 decision in 2008. It's currently precedent. I disagree with the ruling. But good to know split Supreme Court decisions are actually settled issues. Weight off my mind to know y'all will never mention abortion again. Or transgender bathrooms. Or "religious freedom".
So you think grown ass "women" with a penis and set of balls should be able to occupy the same restroom as an 8 year old actual biological female child.
 
I don't have the answers in terms of how to keep the mass flow of guns out of the hands of the sinister. I don't think anyone here has the answer either from what I have seen. What I will say is that leaving things as they currently are, is clearly not the answer either. I'm afraid that this will all be left to solve itself. But it will eventually solve itself, and folks may not be happy what that looks like.
There are over 20,000 federal gun laws on the books. How's it working out so far?
 
False.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

There is a comma after "A well regulated Militia" meaning another statement on another group aka the people as well. The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, Shall not be infringed.

And yes, a well regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free state against a tyrannical government such as the one we have today.

Now do an about face and get out of here.
Of all the people on this board you are attempting to lecture on comma usage? You misplace your commas a word late every single time. "I would write sentences like warrior but, I don't know how to use commas." LOL.
 
I personally think healthcare is a human right which is why I advocate for that policy. But yeah currently our society sees getting treatment when you’re ill as a luxury for those who can afford it. All those things are monetary interactions in our hyper capitalist society.

Healthcare and health insurance are two different things.

There is already a mechanism for free healthcare. Most hospitals and medical clinics operate as nonprofits, escaping untold amounts of tax. They are supposed to see people regardless of ability to pay. They refuse, yet their non profit status remains.

Fix that and you fix the healthcare concern.

Of course as we see with covid outcome disparities, the issue was never really cost anyway. Covid treatment and vaccines are free, yet minorities refuse both. So even when costs are free we have disparate outcomes because people are different in when/if they seek care.

So 1) there is no such thing as achievable equity 2) cost was never the gatekeeper issue 3) on the occasion that it is, a system is in place to address it. It just needs to be enforced.

Solved the healthcare problem. You're welcome
 
We don’t have any well-regulated militias. Bob sitting at home cleaning his glock ain’t it. If the government wants to have their way with us your home arsenal isn’t going to stop them. As the president said, they’ve got F15s and nukes.
False, Oklahoma has some and they actually train once a month. Title 44 in Oklahoma law allows for it. It governs organized and unorganized militias.

Other states have similar Titles regarding militias.
 
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There are over 20,000 federal gun laws on the books. How's it working out so far?

Not well. Not well at all. My post is NOT insinuating that there be more laws. Like I said, I don't have the answers but it is clear that neither does anyone else here and things as they are, it doesn't work. There will eventually be a consequence to leaving such a problem unattended. I'm curious to see what that will be.
 
Of all the people on this board you are attempting to lecture on comma usage? You misplace your commas a word late every single time. "I would write sentences like warrior but, I don't know how to use commas." LOL.
This is your response? So, you agree that the comma placement does mean what I said it means in relation to the 2nd amendment which suggest you were being disingenuous with your post or just trying to mislead. Typical liberal lie as usual.
 
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Non sequitur fail. There is no 'right to an abortion' in the Constitution. Also your whiny voice is noted. And thanks for admitting that your opinion is bogus because the SCOTUS deemed it so. You're dismissed. I assume by your assertion that YOU will never mention the 2A again, right?
There's as much of one as there is an unfettered 'right to bear arms'. So do you think the 2nd guarantees you the legal right to a nuke? The 2nd reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Nukes are arms.
 
Not well. Not well at all. My post is NOT insinuating that there be more laws. Like I said, I don't have the answers but it is clear that neither does anyone else here and things as they are, it doesn't work. There will eventually be a consequence to leaving such a problem unattended. I'm curious to see what that will be.
I appreciate you being open minded on this. I'll leave you with a quote from a famous writer, L. Neil Smith:

"In a free society, both good and evil exist. In a tyranny, only evil exists."
 
Not shouldn't, wouldn't. Doesn't matter which Armalite variant you're shooting at a tank. It won't stop it. There are many legitimate reasons for owning firearms. Defending yourself from a tyrannical government isn't one of them sadly.
Thats also your opinion, as if the entire miltary would join lockstep in "obliterating" its citizens.

There's a reason the 2A was added to the Constitution, people that had lived under a tyrannical govt knew that an armed populace would give any future leaders pause if they got power hungry.
 
This is your response? So, you agree that the comma placement does mean what I said it means in relation to the 2nd amendment which suggest you were being disingenuous with your post or just trying mislead. Typical liberal lie as usual.
No, I disagree. The comma placement is that of a dependent clause. Was just pointing out that you personally have absolutely no credibility whatsoever on the subject of commas. You can't even handle them in your own posts.
 
Healthcare and health insurance are two different things.

There is already a mechanism for free healthcare. Most hospitals and medical clinics operate as nonprofits, escaping untold amounts of tax. They are supposed to see people regardless of ability to pay. They refuse, yet their non profit status remains.

Fix that and you fix the healthcare concern.

Of course as we see with covid outcome disparities, the issue was never really cost anyway. Covid treatment and vaccines are free, yet minorities refuse both. So even when costs are free we have disparate outcomes because people are different in when/if they seek care.

So 1) there is no such thing as achievable equity 2) cost was never the gatekeeper issue 3) on the occasion that it is, a system is in place to address it. It just needs to be enforced.

Solved the healthcare problem. You're welcome
Oh, and all that requires an ID.
 
There's as much of one as there is an unfettered 'right to bear arms'. So do you think the 2nd guarantees you the legal right to a nuke? The 2nd reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Nukes are arms.
And there you go. Typical straw man, every single liberal who argues against the 2nd always resorts to the 'nuke' argument. You strain at a gnat while swallowing the camel. You probably think an AR15 uses autoclips, too.

Correct your straw man and we'll have a conversation. As of right now, you're acting like a bot, and bots don't argue in good faith.

To answer your question, however, no I don't believe we should own nukes in our garages. We have the right to own military grade rifles, though. On the other hand, arresting someone for using a 3D printer to make a one shot pistol out of plastic is extreme on the other end, wouldn't you agree?
 
Thats also your opinion, as if the entire miltary would join lockstep in "obliterating" its citizens.

There's a reason the 2A was added to the Constitution, people that had lived under a tyrannical govt knew that an armed populace would give any future leaders pause if they got power hungry.
"NUH UH, THE 2A WAS FOR HUNTING!" - Idiot lefties
 
We occupied their countries with a goal of protecting the populace and minimizing human casualties. If we ever got to the point where the American military was being deployed against the American people the goal would be obliteration, not occupation.
False, we fought there to prove to communist China and Russia that we were prepared to meet them on any battle field and were ready to sacrifice our people lives to do it.
 
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And there you go. Typical straw man, every single liberal who argues against the 2nd always resorts to the 'nuke' argument. You strain at a gnat while swallowing the camel. You probably think an AR15 uses autoclips, too.

Correct your straw man and we'll have a conversation. As of right now, you're acting like a bot, and bots don't argue in good faith.

To answer your question, however, no I don't believe we should own nukes in our garages. We have the right to own military grade rifles, though. On the other hand, arresting someone for using a 3D printer to make a one shot pistol out of plastic is extreme on the other end, wouldn't you agree?
Alright so what's your legal argument for banning nuclear arms? The 2nd Amendment clearly states the right to own arms shall not be infringed.
 
FYI, the 2A WAS MANIFESTLY for citizens to protect themselves against a tyrannical government.

As James Madison, a Founding Father and the fourth President of the United States wrote in Federalist 46, the sole purpose of the Second Amendment was to ensure the people would have the power to defend themselves against a tyrannical government by protecting the right to bear arms.
 
Liberals: If you ban abortions people will just find other ways to have them or get them illegally.

Also liberals: If we can ban guns or certain types of guns it will stop the gun violence problem.
Gun violence is overwhelmingly a Democrat problem by Democrats in Democrat-cities where criminals ignore Democrat gun control laws.
 
A decade ago (sheesh) I worked at a Save-A-Lot. The number of people on food stamps then was mind boggling. The majority of people that had food stamps greater than $800/month would buy pop, chips, sweets, and the most expensive meat in the store.

I once had a woman come through my line bragging on the phone about how smart she was. She said all of these fools in here are slaving away and I get money just for being single and having kids. I’m for helping people who need it (and are legal citizens but that’s another can of worms) but these system gamers make me sick.

And for those who are on it because they need it, the minute they try to pull themselves out of that situation, they lose all benefits and can’t get by. This system is set up for failure and to keep you reliant on the government.
After the 2nd child if they don't work (and have no disability) to provide for the kids they should be forced to get sterilized. No one should be allowed to just keep popping out kids that they refuse to financially take care of. It's not the responsibility of others to take care of your kids when you are perfectly capable of doing it yourself.

If you are actually out there working and not just being a baby making machine then I have no problem with you getting some assistance to help you get by. No more free handouts though. Welfare should be used primarily for the disabled and senior citizens.
 
No, I disagree. The comma placement is that of a dependent clause. Was just pointing out that you personally have absolutely no credibility whatsoever on the subject of commas. You can't even handle them in your own posts.
False. Your attempt at deflection after being proven wrong (again), will not work. It never does.
 
Thats also your opinion, as if the entire miltary would join lockstep in "obliterating" its citizens.

There's a reason the 2A was added to the Constitution, people that had lived under a tyrannical govt knew that an armed populace would give any future leaders pause if they got power hungry.
Many in the military are for the 2nd Amendment and would join the militias because their families would be the biggest targets of the government.
 
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