OT Florida State gets reamed
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Who did the acc teams beat?
Uga? Alabama? Ole miss? Missouri? UT? I know fsu beat lsu but of the other top 6 teams was curious how many wins the acc had against them.
So, against our actual trash teams. If they played any of the 10 teams with a pulse we would have thrashed them. They have exactly one decent win over LSU and that was it.
One, I don't think FSU can come close to beating GA, but right now TX is playing like the best team in the nation. If TX wins it all, there will be no second guessing the selection. TX is the team that actually replaced FSU, not Bama. The SEC champ was getting in regardless of record. Bama will be a different team without SEC refs. It is not what their opponents get flaged for, it is what the SEC res will NOT call on Bama. Bama should have or easily could have had 10+ holding calls last night. Number 77 held on EVERY play.
I don’t know if I’m “pro fsu”, but if the spread gets a little higher than I definitely will. The Georgia team this year specifically gets pushed around in the trenches at times, and that is part of FSU’s strong suit. I think Georgia wins by like 10 or 13.
My problem with the arguments that the playoff is about “picking the 4 best teams” separate from their record on the season is what are you basing that on if not a team’s record? Recruiting rankings? A gut feeling that a team is on a hot streak? Would you be comfortable putting a 2, 3, or 4 loss team in if they met those criteria? If not, why?
I get it that the way college football is set up, all the major conferences won’t be completely equal in a given year, but we might as well just drop the rest of the process and make the SEC Championship the national championship according to some of you. The SEC outside of two teams wasn’t even that strong this year, and you’re still arguing that those two teams deserve special treatment just for their conference affiliation.
I get it that the way college football is set up, all the major conferences won’t be completely equal in a given year, but we might as well just drop the rest of the process and make the SEC Championship the national championship according to some of you. The SEC outside of two teams wasn’t even that strong this year, and you’re still arguing that those two teams deserve special treatment just for their conference affiliation.
What about the other conferences?
Do they have an ole miss and Missouri and lsu and UT to round out the top 6?
What about UK and a and m to round out top 8.?
Compare the damn conferences.
FWIW
Georgia is the 1st team to go into a Conference Championship ranked #1 and get knocked all the way out of the playoffs.
You typically don't go from 1 to 6 by losing your conference championship game to a team that winds up in the playoffs.
I think Georgia also has a pretty good gripe.
I don't think the SEC got special treatment. I think Alabama is legitamitely one of the best teams. I think it's largely the eye test and what have you done lately. Special treatment would have been putting Georgia in as well. Florida State deserves to be there. So does Bama. So do the other 3 teams that got in. I think the committee was looking for the easiest excuse to leave one out, and FSU gave them that.
Sure, we can't run the Madden rankings and prove "this is the 3rd and 4th best team." But I do think when you see Alabama beat Georgia in Georgia for the SEC championship--they're one of the 4 best teams. They're arguably the best team.
Some people feel like it should be based solely on record. I'm not saying that's wrong. Some people (committee included) feel that it should be based on who are the 4 best teams. I'm not saying that's wrong.
People act like it's lazy to say "Well FSU lost their quarterback." I actually think it's very much not lazy to say it's more nuanced than which team had zero losses. If Bama had 2 or more losses, that's one thing. In any other sport, you wouldn't say the team with 1 fewer loss is automatically the best team.
This is what happens when AD'S and universities sell their souls for media dollars
You chose to leave your fate in the hands of people where the only criteria for selection is measured in dollars.
You sir, Mr. AD, sucked that bait down like a pig eating slop. Enjoy the fruits of your own labors.
Georgia awaits you and their big mad, too.
The best 3 teams in the country are (in no order), UGA, Bama, and Texas. No doubt. For the 4th spot it would be between Wash and UM. I think I’d take Wash because UM cheated for half the season. This would make for an awesome playoff. Not that difficult if you want to determine the best team in college football
Just don't bet any money on that happening.
The last time Bama beat Georgia and knocked them out of the playoffs, Georgia didn't show up for their NY6 bowl game.
Got their rear ends beat by Texas.
I don’t think anyone is saying that. But if you’re going to put a one-loss team in over an undefeated team you should have overwhelming OBJECTIVE criteria that is based in the real results of actual football games. It shouldn’t be done on the basis of subjective opinions grounded in someone’s version of the eye test which come up wrong all the damn time.
Objective data below: I think if we're mad at anyone for getting in over FSU, it should be Texas. People are claiming Texas can't be out because they beat Alabama. But that asks you to ignore Texas's loss to Oklahoma. Anywhose, see the data below.
I stole this from someone on another board.
Per ESPN:
FPI:
- Michigan 1
- Alabama 5
- Texas 7
- FSU 11
- Washington 13
- Alabama 5
- Washington 11
- Texas 13
- Michigan 33
- FSU 55
- Washington - 5-0 - Oregon (4), Oregon (4), Oregon State (18), Arizona (22), Utah (25)
- Alabama - 5-1 - wins: Georgia (6), LSU (9), Texas A&M (14), Ole Miss (15), Tennessee (17); losses: Texas (7)
- Michigan - 2-0 - wins: Ohio State (2), Penn State (3)
- FSU - 4-0 - wins: LSU (9), Clemson (19), Louisville (23), Miami (24)
- Texas - 2-1 - wins: Alabama (5), Kansas State (12); losses: Oklahoma (8)
That isn’t even close to what you should need to move a 12-1 team ahead of a 13-0 team. Hell, Florida State has a better record against the Top 25 than Alabama does.
Agree to disagree. I think Bama is a much better football team than FSU.
You asked for objective data. I gave it to you.
I'm not sure there's such a thing as "enough" to change your mind.
So if Bama and FSU played next week you'd put your $$ on the Noles?
Change thread title to FSU will get reamed in the orange bowl. They would have got reamed against Michigan. ACC is a P5 in name only. UL was the runner up in the conference. 13-0 in a P5 conference doesn’t hold as much credibility will the P is for Powder.
Even if Auburn had beat Bama, the SEC champ>ACC Champ.
Even if Auburn had beat Bama, the SEC champ>ACC Champ.
And the committee, who has the final say, agrees with him. They think Bama is better than FSU, also, and that is really all that matters. Regardless of what anybody else thinks. They had the final say.
I don't think that ignores the results on the field. With a back-up quarterback, FSU is clearly not one of the best 4 teams. Someone has to evaluate who they think the top 4 teams are based on how they have look playing the games they have played. Schedules are relative and injuries to key players matter. I don't think any team should get a pass just because they went undefeated. You have to consider the schedule they played and with injuries, are they the same team we watched play all season.
Florida State looked better with a backup QB against Florida and a 3rd stringer against UL than Alabama did with a healthy QB against Auburn. If this was Michigan State and not Alabama, they wouldn’t have gotten in with their resume and how they’ve played throughout the season.
I'm not saying I agree with the four teams they selected. I'm saying FSU shouldn't have been included because they clearly aren't one of the four best teams. Saying another team shouldn't have been included doesn't argue for FSU being included.
Somebody told me today that the records of the teams they played were 66-76. I do not know if it is true or not I did not check it.
They would not have gotten in with their resume? They lost 1st game of season to another playoff team. They won 12 games in a row against much better competition than FSU played. They beat the #1 team in the Country in the SEC Championship game. FSU beat a stiff in their Championship who was beat by a 6-5 team. You want to talk about the AU win, yes it was a miracle but they won it. A 5-7 SEC team gave them all they wanted for 3.5 quarters. If GA. had won game then you would be saying they should have got in over Texas. The Committee got it right, they chose 4 best teams and bottom line FSU was not better than Georgia, Oregon or Ohio State.
It works because Alabama won. Lose that game and a one loss GA. team is in playoffs. Yes over FSU.
How many games did FSU come from behind in 4th quarter against average or below teams. Teams have up and down games during year, just part of CFB.
Try beating any team with your 3rd string qb that has been playing college for 8 months.
About the 4:40 mark ole Cowherd nails it...essentially says UGA has a stronger case for crying "hosed".
Would they leave out an undefeated SEC team because their starting QB got hurt? I highly doubt it.
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