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What poster?

The one who mentioned this tweet elsewhere. This is exactly what happened. Offered the first day he could be contacted his sophomore year, grew up a huge cats fan. Committed. Stuck things out through thick and thin, even with losing and Ming getting on hot seat. Never pursued other options. Called Ming the day before early signing day to get paperwork and was told he had to hold off.

The rest is in the tweet.

 
Boy is there more to this story than y’all know.

The poster above pretty much nailed it on the head with regard to how NM handled that recruitment. Firsthand knowledge.
Mingione and Barnhart are destroying the baseball program if all these stories are true. I don’t see how any high school coach worth a crap would send a kid to play at UK right now.
 
What poster?

The one who mentioned this tweet elsewhere. This is exactly what happened. Offered the first day he could be contacted his sophomore year, grew up a huge cats fan. Committed. Stuck things out through thick and thin, even with losing and Ming getting on hot seat. Never pursued other options. Called Ming the day before early signing day to get paperwork and was told he had to hold off.

The rest is in the tweet.

Just putting the baseball part aside, not much of a man anybody that would do that to a kid.
 
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What poster?

The one who mentioned this tweet elsewhere. This is exactly what happened. Offered the first day he could be contacted his sophomore year, grew up a huge cats fan. Committed. Stuck things out through thick and thin, even with losing and Ming getting on hot seat. Never pursued other options. Called Ming the day before early signing day to get paperwork and was told he had to hold off.

The rest is in the tweet.

D1 recruiting is cut throat all the way and stuff like this happens all the time. That doesn’t mean I like it and personally I think coaches who operate like this are complete douche bags. I’ve heard multiple stories like this about Saban in football recruiting. Saban wins and he can get away with it. Mingione can’t.
 
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What poster?

The one who mentioned this tweet elsewhere. This is exactly what happened. Offered the first day he could be contacted his sophomore year, grew up a huge cats fan. Committed. Stuck things out through thick and thin, even with losing and Ming getting on hot seat. Never pursued other options. Called Ming the day before early signing day to get paperwork and was told he had to hold off.

The rest is in the tweet.

Okay yeah. That’s the one I originally responded to. Thought there might be another one you were referencing. Thanks
 
Not personal because I never met NM. Personal because I'm a Reds / UK fan from way back and having grown up in a home that housed summer league players years back and hearing stories from them I lean heavy towards players first in college and managers first in the pros. Also I donot like people that are phony and have leverage over someones future and being a bully about it. And that's what I saw with Kessler this year, Shelby cam b3n and others and I so I am perhaps piling on lately but I feel like its giving him his own medicine. I have had a lot of time on my hands lately to watch the games online more closely than usual. maybe these are some cheap shots mixed in on my part and maybe Im taking more delight in it than I normally would , should. I guess my motive is that if this gets messy enough there is a better a chance of change. I think this is what fans do and NM makes the big bucks and the scrutiny comes with it.
No worries. I appreciate your insight and passion. After reading some of these accounts I agree a change needs to be made. I sure hope Mitch is talking to these kids that are transferring. 50 plus in 5 years is awful!
I’m a casual fan. Did get to a game this year and watch and listen to many. I hate to see the Marshalls and others comment alluding to internal problems and a poor culture.
Mitch has got to listen to the noise...correct? Why the early extension? Wait watch and listen
 
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Problem is, you can’t wait watch and listen... a total of 12-15 are going to be in the portal with in days... and once you are in the portal, your scholarship is voided and with the expected 2000-2500 kids in the portal this year, none of them are going to wait for a new coach to come back... when they are in, they are gone. Limited spots available to keep playing.
 
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D1 recruiting is cut throat all the way and stuff like this happens all the time. That doesn’t mean I like it and personally I think coaches who operate like this are complete douche bags. I’ve heard multiple stories like this about Saban in football recruiting. Saban wins and he can get away with it. Mingione can’t.
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D1 recruiting is cut throat all the way and stuff like this happens all the time. That doesn’t mean I like it and personally I think coaches who operate like this are complete douche bags. I’ve heard multiple stories like this about Saban in football recruiting. Saban wins and he can get away with it. Mingione can’t.
While this is all well and true, he pulled that offer from the kid to likely get another one that he didn't think would commit without a bigger percentage scholarship offer. NM did that because he was banking on the Lex Catholic kid wanting to come to UK no matter what he did. Basically, he was going for a two for one. The day before stuff is bush league regardless. No communication until signing day is a slap in the face. That stuff travels around the elite travel teams. That's where you get the best players. If kids are talking about UK at Jupiter, I can't imagine it's positive.
 
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And while we're at it. Braxton Cottongame literally quit the team and baseball because of NM. He got healthy and they told him they didn't want to use him. He was drafted out of high school, so we shouldn't sit here and say talent is a problem (it isn't), but rather a talent development problem. NM has demonstrated time and time again that he can't develop talent. Hagenow was throwing 93 out of high school, his velo dropped to sub 90 and even 86 in the LSU game. What happened there? These problems are consistently happening year in and year out.
 
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Tell NM that this is the way you have your players back especially after the way O'Sullivan punked him and he probably pe'd his pants start @9:50 mark
 
I personally know two 2021 kids that are committed to UK. What I don't know is if either are still committed after all this mess. I should know more when my kid starts summer travel ball here in a week or two, depending on state tournament.

I really felt bad for Cam Hill this year. He will land at a high level school if HE wants.

On another note, there was a kid in Scott Co that throws 97 going to Arky I think. My kids school played against them but the kid didn't pitch against us. From chatter at that game the kid struggles a little with control, but a arm like that in your own back yard and lose him to another SEC school is hard pill to swallow. Need to keep the top talent at home.

While we're on it, if NM is let go, who is the best that Barnhart could get? What stings is, look at what the TN coach has and is doing? Just wow!
 
Boy is there more to this story than y’all know.

The poster above pretty much nailed it on the head with regard to how NM handled that
A lot of these kids grew up around UK baseball and it's literally been their dream to play for the team. They came to games or they were a ball boy or something like that. They looked up to the Tristan Pompeys or the Evan Whites and they wanted to be just like them. Then they get their shot through hard work and these coaches screw it up or they make the experience terrible if they do come to UK. Entirely destroying the dreams these guys were trying to live. It's this type of thing that I have a major issue with.
ThIs !!! Exactly !! B3N is one them !!
 
I personally know two 2021 kids that are committed to UK. What I don't know is if either are still committed after all this mess. I should know more when my kid starts summer travel ball here in a week or two, depending on state tournament.

I really felt bad for Cam Hill this year. He will land at a high level school if HE wants.

On another note, there was a kid in Scott Co that throws 97 going to Arky I think. My kids school played against them but the kid didn't pitch against us. From chatter at that game the kid struggles a little with control, but a arm like that in your own back yard and lose him to another SEC school is hard pill to swallow. Need to keep the top talent at home.

While we're on it, if NM is let go, who is the best that Barnhart could get? What stings is, look at what the TN coach has and is doing? Just wow!
It dosnt matter who it is. The message needs to be sent that you aren’t going to treat players like B3N this way here. You’re not going to step all over the players to field a team that isn’t even a threat to make the postseason. You want to behave like a big league manager you had better be making a splash on the national scene. Not saying that would make it right. Worse off he compounds all of this cut throat behavior with a ton of goofy horseshit about family and God to try and fluff the backbone of the university fan base.
You want to be all for # 1 ? Ok that makes you similar to almost everyone else but don’t try and insult our intelligence with your gimmick about “family“ and “ God “ which had nothing at all to do with how you run this program in reality.
 
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While this is all well and true, he pulled that offer from the kid to likely get another one that he didn't think would commit without a bigger percentage scholarship offer. NM did that because he was banking on the Lex Catholic kid wanting to come to UK no matter what he did. Basically, he was going for a two for one. The day before stuff is bush league regardless. No communication until signing day is a slap in the face. That stuff travels around the elite travel teams. That's where you get the best players. If kids are talking about UK at Jupiter, I can't imagine it's positive.
I don’t disagree with a word you said.
 
I personally know two 2021 kids that are committed to UK. What I don't know is if either are still committed after all this mess. I should know more when my kid starts summer travel ball here in a week or two, depending on state tournament.

I really felt bad for Cam Hill this year. He will land at a high level school if HE wants.

On another note, there was a kid in Scott Co that throws 97 going to Arky I think. My kids school played against them but the kid didn't pitch against us. From chatter at that game the kid struggles a little with control, but a arm like that in your own back yard and lose him to another SEC school is hard pill to swallow. Need to keep the top talent at home.

While we're on it, if NM is let go, who is the best that Barnhart could get? What stings is, look at what the TN coach has and is doing? Just wow!
Absolutely no way you can lose top level in-state guys. Personally I have little to no confidence Barnhart can get anyone decent. Maybe he can luck into someone who works out. I don’t think I would listen to John Cohen anymore though.
 
I looked back on recruiting classes. I believe 2019 had a 15th ranked class and 2018 was 12 according to perfect game. This team should be amongst the elite. Look how many juniors are still on this team. Now look who's in the portal. There's like 3 left from that class. I know players have to perform, but NM's culture is evident here too. Players don't stay. Let's talk about Lockhart, another Lex Catholic kid, he started a weekend in Vandy two years ago. Then nursed some injuries, but he got healthy this year toward the end. I don't know how it would hurt to have a veteran arm in the pen at least. These kids are literally getting tossed to the side for pretty much no reason except that NM doesn't like them for whatever arbitrary reason or another. That is not leadership.
 
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I looked back on recruiting classes. I believe 2019 had a 15th ranked class and 2018 was 12 according to perfect game. This team should be amongst the elite. Look how many juniors are still on this team. Now look who's in the portal. There's like 3 left from that class. I know players have to perform, but NM's culture is evident here too. Players don't stay. Let's talk about Lockhart, another Lex Catholic kid, he started a weekend in Vandy two years ago. Then nursed some injuries, but he got healthy this year toward the end. I don't know how it would hurt to have a veteran arm in the pen at least. These kids are literally getting tossed to the side for pretty much no reason except that NM doesn't like them for whatever arbitrary reason or another. That is not leadership.

There is very little in the middle. Look back at 2017. Left from that class on 2021 were:

Cam Hill
Jimmy Ramsey
Mason Hazelwood
Daniel Harper
Trip Lockhart
Coltyn Kessler

There are zero from that class that came to UK and left after their second/third due to the draft or something like that. Nope. All but those 6 transferred out. Now even a few of those 6 will transfer out as well.

2018 class:

Harmon
Schultz
Cottongame (who didn't play and supposedly quit)
Burchett (on the roster. Never seen him play)
Marsh
Daniels
Degen
Rigsby
Liebert
Hord (bullpen catcher)

So, in 2 classes you have 3 starters. The biggest issue there is that out of all those pitchers still there in 2 full classes we developed just 1 weekend starter and just 1 extremely reliable bullpen arm. The rest are shaky and often have disappeared throughout the season.

2019 is also interesting. UK got 15 players. On 2021 we have:

Estep
Lee
Stupp
Cole (Leaving)
Grace (Leaving)
Rhodes
 
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I looked back on recruiting classes. I believe 2019 had a 15th ranked class and 2018 was 12 according to perfect game. This team should be amongst the elite. Look how many juniors are still on this team. Now look who's in the portal. There's like 3 left from that class. I know players have to perform, but NM's culture is evident here too. Players don't stay. Let's talk about Lockhart, another Lex Catholic kid, he started a weekend in Vandy two years ago. Then nursed some injuries, but he got healthy this year toward the end. I don't know how it would hurt to have a veteran arm in the pen at least. These kids are literally getting tossed to the side for pretty much no reason except that NM doesn't like them for whatever arbitrary reason or another. That is not leadership.
This should be Pinned. Could not have said it better.
 
I looked back on recruiting classes. I believe 2019 had a 15th ranked class and 2018 was 12 according to perfect game. This team should be amongst the elite. Look how many juniors are still on this team. Now look who's in the portal. There's like 3 left from that class. I know players have to perform, but NM's culture is evident here too. Players don't stay. Let's talk about Lockhart, another Lex Catholic kid, he started a weekend in Vandy two years ago. Then nursed some injuries, but he got healthy this year toward the end. I don't know how it would hurt to have a veteran arm in the pen at least. These kids are literally getting tossed to the side for pretty much no reason except that NM doesn't like them for whatever arbitrary reason or another. That is not leadership.
And if Nick wants to treat his players like a commodity Like he is Managing in a pro org then he should be held to the same standard and he should be benched for someone else like he benched Kessler. Don’t fire him just make him sit there and watch and practice managing while another coach we grab from juco our of the blue or somewhere else manages this team.
 
And if Nick wants to treat his players like a commodity Like he is Managing in a pro org then he should be held to the same standard and he should be benched for someone else like he benched Kessler. Don’t fire him just make him sit there and watch and practice managing while another coach we grab from juco our of the blue or somewhere else manages this team.
Oh and if you are going to toss players aside it would help to not be completely incorrect on top of it. Kessler!
 
I looked back on recruiting classes. I believe 2019 had a 15th ranked class and 2018 was 12 according to perfect game. This team should be amongst the elite. Look how many juniors are still on this team. Now look who's in the portal. There's like 3 left from that class. I know players have to perform, but NM's culture is evident here too. Players don't stay. Let's talk about Lockhart, another Lex Catholic kid, he started a weekend in Vandy two years ago. Then nursed some injuries, but he got healthy this year toward the end. I don't know how it would hurt to have a veteran arm in the pen at least. These kids are literally getting tossed to the side for pretty much no reason except that NM doesn't like them for whatever arbitrary reason or another. That is not leadership.
He gives not a care about the future of the players he is chucking aside. Transferring is not easy to pull off and land on your feet. There is a stigma about why the coach would let you go.

but Brooksie on the other hand. A guy who is established in his career. Nick is soooo concerned about him getting his degree. Nothing at all to do with that totally sincere and organic interview and story with both of the them about how Nick cares soooo much about him graduating. Complete with melody playing in the background. Totally organic, nothing for show there,
 
He gives not a care about the future of the players he is chucking aside. Transferring is not easy to pull off and land on your feet. There is a stigma about why the coach would let you go.

but Brooksie on the other hand. A guy who is established in his career. Nick is soooo concerned about him getting his degree. Nothing at all to do with that totally sincere and organic interview and story with both of the them about how Nick cares soooo much about him graduating. Complete with melody playing in the background. Totally organic, nothing for show there,
But Brett Marshall ? Beat it Brett there is Probley some NAIA school you could transfer to in January of your senior year. Eastern Kentucky State Tech on your degree reflects positively on the 3.5 years you attended U of K.
 
Heard a couple more pitchers entered the portal this weekend..... they may have been the only lefties on the team (healthy) this year
 
Heard a couple more pitchers entered the portal this weekend..... they may have been the only lefties on the team (healthy) this year
Just a gut feel but I’m starting to feel like Mingione is going to be fired shortly after the NCAA tournament field is announced.
 
Heard a couple more pitchers entered the portal this weekend..... they may have been the only lefties on the team (healthy) this year

We don't have many lefties on our roster but I imagine that Marsh and Daniels will very much consider going elsewhere. Especially Marsh. Don't know anything for sure and haven't heard either are in the portal, but I'd bet they are at least considering it.
 
Think it'll come Tuesday if at all.

Ive sorta felt that way too. I think Barnhartt has probably been with the softball team in Alabama. But he has to got to be aware of all the transfers. And Im not sure what BS Mingione could pull to explain all this.
 
Ive sorta felt that way too. I think Barnhartt has probably been with the softball team in Alabama. But he has to got to be aware of all the transfers. And Im not sure what BS Mingione could pull to explain all this.
If MB had his pulse on the program, he should've been waiting for the team bus when it got back from Hoover to hand NM his walking papers. These losses are big losses for depth and also leadership. Upperclassmen with regular playtime leaving your program sets a clear tone.
 
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And while we're at it. Braxton Cottongame literally quit the team and baseball because of NM. He got healthy and they told him they didn't want to use him. He was drafted out of high school, so we shouldn't sit here and say talent is a problem (it isn't), but rather a talent development problem. NM has demonstrated time and time again that he can't develop talent. Hagenow was throwing 93 out of high school, his velo dropped to sub 90 and even 86 in the LSU game. What happened there? These problems are consistently happening year in and year out.
Same thing almost that NM told B3N as Cottongame. I hope whatever Mingione that he was squeezing out of his LaR pitcher on the team that I was worth treating B3N that way.
 
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